Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Melnorme
Just like arguing with a child. :lol

and arguing with you isn't?

all you basically say is:
I'm right, you're wrong... I know what I'm talking about, you don't.... i win, you lose...

that's not exactly much more mature IMO.

Originally posted by Melnorme
What was that? It "would be a strawman"? But, let me guess, it can't be because you want to shift the argument into a new light so you have a leg to stand on? Typical.

no... how about because it was the original topic up for discussion.. I know you can't follow trains of thought.. it's okay....

Originally posted by Melnorme
You still haven't proven it's subjective, or what that means in this context. You lose.

case in point.. 🙄 hypocrite.
I didn't need to prove you were being subjective.. you've already done that by pic and choosing what feats you deem as useable... regardless of what your standard of evidence may or may not be...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Well, look. Whenever you're done sticking your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes tight to the logic of my arguments, you can come back. 'Till then, I'm sorry, but you're just going to have to learn to live with being wrong.

😂 "teh ironey" 😉

Originally posted by Melnorme
Now, I fully expect you to immediately come back all full of spit and fire, and to try and wheedle out some weird and contrived argument so you can at least smokescreen so it doesn't look like you just got crushed, but you know what?Save your energy. It's so predictable at this point...

wow you must be psychic or something.. able to predict that a person is going to respond to you in a debate just like people do in EVERY DEBATE on the forums.. hell.. just like you do to me... pat yourself on the back for figurin that one out.. 🙄

as far as:

Originally posted by Melnorme
try and wheedle out some weird and contrived argument so you can at least smokescreen so it doesn't look like you just got crushed,

stop projecting your problems onto me... don't like getting owned? stop debating with me then... doh

Originally posted by Melnorme
Go cool off, let a few pages tick by as other Wolverine fanboys get their sh*t pushed in like you did, and then come back.

You'll thank me for this advice, someday. 😉

yeah... if I had my shit kicked in in terms of arguments I'd ask the opposition to leave too... 😂

Originally posted by jinzin
I didn't need to prove you were being subjective.. you've already done that by pic and choosing what feats you deem as useable... regardless of what your standard of evidence may or may not be...

Originally posted by Melnorme
Thanks for proving my point. You can't address my arguments, so you just ramble on and on and try to obfuscate your defeat. Sorry, game's over. Try again? 😆

i laid out exactly why your use of feats is subjective.. it's not my fault your blinders prohibit you from seeing the obvious... if you can't understand how they are subjective you're beyond my help... so far I've explained why they are perfectly... all you have is "nu-uh" arguments... your right the game IS over..

No, you haven't explained it at all. You've merely kept repeating this false claim. You've tapdanced around the subject, and insisted that you are right, but you're fooling no one.

You had a chance to hit a home run. And you failed. Good day, sir.

Originally posted by Melnorme
No, you haven't explained it at all. You've merely kept repeating this false claim. You've tapdanced around the subject, and insisted that you are right, but you're fooling no one.

You had a chance to hit a home run. And you failed. Good day, sir.

you're right i'm not fooling anyone.. or even attempting such as you are.. it's not a false claim.. you want to use feats as your standard of evidence? fine... then spiderman loses...

Still haven't been able to back up your claim. What's wrong? Can't?

You just say nonsense like "It's not false". Sorry, that's not proof. You still lose.

in about a month we would all see what spidey's new power's are and then we could finally put this thread to rest.

Originally posted by Melnorme
Still haven't been able to back up your claim. What's wrong? Can't?

You just say nonsense like "It's not false". Sorry, that's not proof. You still lose.

😂

how pathetic.. the proof is self evident..

you don't want to use statistics to support your claim on who would win right? right...

you DO like using feats to make your case and prove your point right? right

thus feats ARE your standard for evidence right?

yeah they kind of have to be.. otherwise you have nothing to go off of but speculation.. and that's not much... not anything credible anyways...

so then we use feats 😱

funny thing about feats though...

spiderman has not been able to pull a single victory over wolverine as of yet.. while wolverine's hit him on 4 occasions (and yes I did say hit.. but 3 out of those 4 hits have been claws sheethed.. the point you ask? i'm getting to it.. ) .. the one occasion wolverine hit him with claws was the one that KOed spidey with one hit like the wolvie supporters have been arguing this whole time...

thus by feats as a standard of evidence, wolverine wins...

but you keep claiming that he doesn't... so why then? if you're using feats as a standard of evidence then arguing against wolverine goes AGAINST your own standard... it's a contradictory meathod of debate. To say that wolverine loses IN SPITE of evidence that suggests otherwise is being selective about which feats you are and are not using.. thus SUBJECTIVE... jeesh...

Originally posted by thesilverspider
in about a month we would all see what spidey's new power's are and then we could finally put this thread to rest.

not really.. when this thread was made it was about the characters as they curently were... this will help spiderman argue over who'd win currently after it happens.. but current incarnations don't have barring on these discussions when drastic changes are made because the thread originator never made allowances for such changes..

and we won't know what difference his powers will make vs. wolverine until the next time they get into it...

Originally posted by jinzin
not really.. when this thread was made it was about the characters as they curently were... this will help spiderman argue over who'd win currently after it happens.. but current incarnations don't have barring on these discussions when drastic changes are made because the thread originator never made allowances for such changes..

and we won't know what difference his powers will make vs. wolverine until the next time they get into it...

😂
they will get into it again eventually..........
have you read marvel knights spider-man #21 😂

Originally posted by thesilverspider
😂
they will get into it again eventually..........
have you read marvel knights spider-man #21 😂

not yet.. what happens?

Originally posted by thesilverspider
😂
they will get into it again eventually..........
have you read marvel knights spider-man #21 😂

I did, but I don't get the joke. Is it because of what Wolverine said to MJ? Or the coccoon-thinger?

Originally posted by jinzin
not yet.. what happens?

well one funny part was with logan and maryjane.
logan being the prick that he is ask's her out since peter is dead and she smack's the shit out of him.

Quick Review

(From Memory)
MJ & May greiving.

Cap consoling May

Tony discussing with MJ on how he has was of making Pete's death look like an accident.

Jessica talks to MJ and says that she felt some kind of connection to Pete during his final moments, even though she wasn't there.

MJ giving in to grief.

Wolverine hitting on MJ.

MJ deciding to find a way to kill Wolvie.

Crash is heard in the lab where the body is being kept.

All run to area, and find that someone broke through lab window, skinned Pete's body, left the skin and escaped.

Closer exam shows that the window was broken out of, not in to.

Closer exam shows body wasn't skinned, but rather the skin was shed.

Boy on a fieldtrip with classmates sees a giant slimy cacoon under a bridge, but doesn't tell anyone for fear of being made fun of.

Silver - Not totally accurate. Logan does it to get her pissed off, telling Jarvis that rage helps you focus on something that's THERE, rather than something that ISN'T.

Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
Silver - Not totally accurate. Logan does it to get her pissed off, telling Jarvis that rage helps you focus on something that's THERE, rather than something that ISN'T.

no shit ................... 😛

i aint want to get all into that

Originally posted by jinzin
strawman... that's not my position at all...

you either use feats (we'll obviously assume feats free of heavy PIS as we both agreed the nuke feat was a load of crap) as a standard of evidence and hence: must accept the consistent feats presented to you...
or you can use subjective feats, and your standard of evidence loses credibility...

how pathetic.. the proof is self evident..

you don't want to use statistics to support your claim on who would win right? right...

you DO like using feats to make your case and prove your point right? right

thus feats ARE your standard for evidence right?

yeah they kind of have to be.. otherwise you have nothing to go off of but speculation.. and that's not much... not anything credible anyways...

so then we use feats

funny thing about feats though...

spiderman has not been able to pull a single victory over wolverine as of yet.. while wolverine's hit him on 4 occasions (and yes I did say hit.. but 3 out of those 4 hits have been claws sheethed.. the point you ask? i'm getting to it.. ) .. the one occasion wolverine hit him with claws was the one that KOed spidey with one hit like the wolvie supporters have been arguing this whole time...

thus by feats as a standard of evidence, wolverine wins...

but you keep claiming that he doesn't... so why then? if you're using feats as a standard of evidence then arguing against wolverine goes AGAINST your own standard... it's a contradictory meathod of debate. To say that wolverine loses IN SPITE of evidence that suggests otherwise is being selective about which feats you are and are not using.. thus SUBJECTIVE... jeesh...

Isn't this completely contradictory though? Basically, by saying that some feats are not usable because they are blatantly PIS, you agreed with his "case by case basis" thing. Then, you said that ALL feats must be usable. If you try to pick a "middle ground", you epitomize the "I don't like it, it never happened" guy. Wolverine taking a nuke is obvious PIS. Wolverine getting KOed by bullets is obvious PIS. But Spiderman getting casually stabbed is not, though he dodges things which are hundreds of times faster than those claws?

Your "stance" here was that if one feat is to be accepted, all feats are to be accepted, except for PIS. Which you must agree to, if it is to be considered PIS. That's extremely hypocritical, Melnorme is definitely right on this subject.

He's definitely not right when he randomly throws around insults, and he really is being hypocritical as well when he says "all people who voted on the poll know what they're talking about", but then also brushes you off becuase you "don't know what you're talking about."

Basically, you both stink heavily of retard and hypocrite. 🙂

Anyhoo... Comics are terribly inconsistant. Head to head encounters are really not the only way to compare two characters. If they were, Firelord would indeed always lose to Spiderman, Wolverine would always beat Lobo, and a hammer throw from Thor would have a relatively small effect on Superman. The fact that the two topic characters of the thread actually met in a comic does not make those instances immune to PIS for one or both characters.

Spiderman still remains the faster and stronger, and the only one with a ranged weapon. He also remains strong enough that ripping off Wolverine's flesh wouldn't be too difficult. Wolverine's wrists get webbed, Wolverine gets shot in the face and subsequently buried in webs, or Spiderman tears out Wolverine's small intestine. Possibly more than once. Because is Logan really going to be in a position to defend if he's missing a small intestine?

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

how pathetic.. the proof is self evident..

How pathetic.

Originally posted by jinzin
you don't want to use statistics to support your claim on who would win right? right...

If by "statistics" you mean "that system of counting to 7 that Marvel slaps into a book once a year or so to charge money for", then you're correct. But I've shown why it's not a good system. Pay attention, next time.

Originally posted by jinzin
you DO like using feats to make your case and prove your point right? right

Wait for it.

Originally posted by jinzin
thus feats ARE your standard for evidence right?

yeah they kind of have to be.. otherwise you have nothing to go off of but speculation.. and that's not much... not anything credible anyways...

so then we use feats 😱

funny thing about feats though...

spiderman has not been able to pull a single victory over wolverine as of yet.. while wolverine's hit him on 4 occasions (and yes I did say hit.. but 3 out of those 4 hits have been claws sheethed.. the point you ask? i'm getting to it.. ) .. the one occasion wolverine hit him with claws was the one that KOed spidey with one hit like the wolvie supporters have been arguing this whole time...

thus by feats as a standard of evidence, wolverine wins...

I guess you just glossed that over, and with good reason. Because without it, your argument falls apart.

Originally posted by jinzin
but you keep claiming that he doesn't... so why then? if you're using feats as a standard of evidence then arguing against wolverine goes AGAINST your own standard... it's a contradictory meathod of debate. To say that wolverine loses IN SPITE of evidence that suggests otherwise is being selective about which feats you are and are not using.. thus SUBJECTIVE... jeesh...

No, it is not, despite your impressive use of ALL CAPS. But there we go...the "black or white" fallacy! Either I agree with Jinzin and blindly accept his demonstrably false account of these characters' histories, or I'm being biased in favor of Spider-Man! Boy, if I had a dollar for every time I've heard that today.

Fortunately, I can think for myself. I've given analysis of these encounters ad nauseum. Hell, I've even put up graphical presentations of the subject so it would be fun and easy to see my points. But, as you can see, all this must be discarded, despite the sound logic and consistant reasoning behind them, because there can be no possible objective reason to disagree with Jinzin!

You know, I thought it was actually a little bit silly to liken the pro-Wolverine camp to a group of religious fanatics. But now, I can see that this is a most appropriate comparison.

Oh, and for those keeping score, this is at least the third time Jinzin's failed to show how I'm being subjective. But there is hope...he put in a serious effort this time.

Dizzle...can I have your baby? 😮

Originally posted by Melnorme
Dizzle...can I have your baby? 😮

buddy we and you are gonna have to fight ............. 😠

Maybe not. I apparently stink of retard and hypocrite to Diz. 🙁