Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My problem isn't that Wolverine loses its the reason people give for Wolverine loses. Spider-man isn't too fast for Wolverine to hit and Spider-man isn't strong enough physically ko Wolverine. He wins because he can stay out of range and web Wolverine up and Logan isn't nearly strong enough to break free of Peter's webbing.
you are the freaking man!
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Juggernaut was pounding on Spider-man... how is that not a direct hit?If Wovlerine didn't have a healing factor a punch form the Hulk would kill him, hell the shock wave from the Hulks punch would kill him just let it would Spider-man.
Even with healing factor hits from Spider-man or Hulk are supposed to kill him.
It takes logan a couple of second(sometimes minutes) to heal from gunwounds, But when he fights Hulk it takes him one second to heal. Strange isn't it? Because every single hit from Hulk or Spider-man is supposed to turn everything inside Wolvie into pasta.
Originally posted by capt it up
I know man it really is ahrd to tell u when ur wrong.cuz every time wolverine does some thing u don't like it PIS.
wolverine never not been able to cut thing hide yet it PIS when he does?
No one has ONCE said Spidey would not be cut by Wolverines claws.
And yet, all you can bring up is how Wolverine has taken hits from the Hulk(despite the fact that that WAS PIS...) and that Wolverine can cut through anything. You're avoiding the actual evidence against Wolverine to rile people up because you know it pisses people off.
So cut the crap. You're a troll. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by samishe
Even with healing factor hits from Spider-man or Hulk are supposed to kill him.It takes logan a couple of second(sometimes minutes) to heal from gunwounds, But when he fights Hulk it takes him one second to heal. Strange isn't it? Because every single hit from Hulk or Spider-man is supposed to turn everything inside Wolvie into pasta.
My point exactly, wolverine either a) heals quickly from hulk or b) is hyped up by writers. I know its b) simply because weaker hits have hurt him for longer than Hulk apparently does..................
Originally posted by samishe
Even with healing factor hits from Spider-man or Hulk are supposed to kill him.It takes logan a couple of second(sometimes minutes) to heal from gunwounds, But when he fights Hulk it takes him one second to heal. Strange isn't it? Because every single hit from Hulk or Spider-man is supposed to turn everything inside Wolvie into pasta.
"supposed to kill him" wtf?
are you going by real world logic again? 😕
THAT.... DOESN'T... WORK....
Also logan more times than not has shown simply running head on into gunfire with no considerable damage (his healing factor deals with the bullets so quickly they don't do any effective damage i mean) Anytime he's shown taking longer it's probably because his healing factor's alreadybeen taxed out....
and like s rank said, it's already been stated that hulk's punches liquify logan's organs, he just heals so fast he's still able to fight back...
Originally posted by willRules
My point exactly, wolverine either a) heals quickly from hulk or b) is hyped up by writers. I know its b) simply because weaker hits have hurt him for longer than Hulk apparently does..................
a rather subjective comment to make...
How much wolverine do ou actually read? seriously?
for a group who like's to retreat to the "pis" excuse instead of a decent argument, you certainly don't mind using blatent examples of PISto support an argument... wolverine's showing taking hits from superhuman characters, weapons, etc all the time without getting phased yet the couple of examples of him being harmed by lesser hits as opposed to the majority is more credible? I don't follow that logic....
Originally posted by jinzin
a rather subjective comment to make...How much wolverine do ou actually read? seriously?
for a group who like's to retreat to the "pis" excuse instead of a decent argument, you certainly don't mind using blatent examples of PISto support an argument... wolverine's showing taking hits from superhuman characters, weapons, etc all the time without getting phased yet the couple of examples of him being harmed by lesser hits as opposed to the majority is more credible? I don't follow that logic....
Coming from a person who thinks Carnage can take on Superman, or Wolverine with a symbiote can take on Superman, then your points really aren't valid. Your credibility is nil.
Originally posted by jinzin
a rather subjective comment to make...
I have my opinions, you have yours 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
How much wolverine do ou actually read? seriously?
In honesty I read a lot more spidey than wolverine but I own around 60 to 70 wolverine comics over various titles. I haven't read much of the recent stuff but I hear Bucky's in it and its supposed to be quite good, any recommendations?
Originally posted by jinzin
for a group who like's to retreat to the "pis" excuse instead of a decent argument, you certainly don't mind using blatent examples of PISto support an argument...
Like I said its a matter of opinion yet again 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's showing taking hits from superhuman characters, weapons, etc all the time without getting phased yet the couple of examples of him being harmed by lesser hits as opposed to the majority is more credible? I don't follow that logic....
A couple of examples? There are much more than that. So are you honestly telling me these "couple of examples" of him being stunned or shaken up more than some of his bouts with Hulk aren't P.I.S like several of his fights with Sabertooth?
For example the fight at the end of the Morlock Massacre. Both of them were bloodied up and bruised more than any fight I have seen between the Hulk and Logan.
So are we to assume that logan can actually heal faster the stronger the hit perhaps? If thats the case he will heal extremely quickly from punches from spidey, Hulk etc 🙄
Or maybe the dastardly writers were hyping logan up again? 😉 those evil geniuses!!!
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Coming from a person who thinks Carnage can take on Superman, or Wolverine with a symbiote can take on Superman, then your points really aren't valid. Your credibility is nil.
did you even read how I rationalized those arguments... I don't think carnage could take supes in a slugfest, I think he could if he utilized his symbiote to it's fullest and he could.. venom took down the traveler like he was a plaything... but that was long before I became familiarized with the rules here (CIS implications) and well before I ever thought anyone here actually used the rules considering how many cars spiderman was generating out of his ass....
you're rationality to invalidate my credibility is a flawed one at best.. pffftt.
Originally posted by willRules
I have my opinions, you have yours 🙂
fair enough...
Originally posted by willRules
In honesty I read a lot more spidey than wolverine but I own around 60 to 70 wolverine comics over various titles. I haven't read much of the recent stuff but I hear Bucky's in it and its supposed to be quite good, any recommendations?
well that would explain it....
wolverine ongoing isn't too good right now.. the last story arch was a buildup to dissapointment... but I'm waiting to see how this new origins is going to go, it sounds intriguing... when it comes out I'll let you know.
Originally posted by willRules
A couple of examples? There are much more than that. So are you honestly telling me these "couple of examples" of him being stunned or shaken up more than some of his bouts with Hulk aren't P.I.S like several of his fights with Sabertooth?
First off: his fights with hulk usually end before there is a definitive winner... had half those fights kept up, or wolverine not gotten his lucky shots he would have died or come close to it.... for example wolverine hulk six hourse..
whenever he fights sabretooth they inflict what has been stated as dozens of mortal wounds.. now you have to consider that the longer the fight goes on with that much damage being given, the healing factors eventually going to start to decline especially since logan's body is losing blood through the cuts being made, now consider that every time he fights sabretooth, it's for prolonged periods of time it's not hard to see why logan's more effected by the end result of a sabretooth fight than a hulk one from what we've seen... sabretooth fights aren't a good example...
Originally posted by willRules
For example the fight at the end of the Morlock Massacre. Both of them were bloodied up and bruised more than any fight I have seen between the Hulk and Logan.
again first off, hulk doesn't bleed long, he heals so fast it looks like no cut was made.. the damage that hulk does to logan's body is internal.. and logans already admitted to being internally liquified by his hits.. of course slashathons are going to APPEAR worse off than hulk fights.. again not a good comparison.
Originally posted by willRules
So are we to assume that logan can actually heal faster the stronger the hit perhaps? If thats the case he will heal extremely quickly from punches from spidey, Hulk etc 🙄 .
no but we ARE to assume that logans healing factor speeds up with adrenaline... sabes and Hulk cause logan to get more riled up than most of his other rivals combined..
Originally posted by willRules
Or maybe the dastardly writers were hyping logan up again? 😉 those evil geniuses!!!
again.. a guy does something like fight hulk 13 or 14 times and he's only been KOed several times, you just kinda have to accept the fact that he can....
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine ongoing isn't too good right now.. the last story arch was a buildup to dissapointment... but I'm waiting to see how this new origins is going to go, it sounds intriguing... when it comes out I'll let you know.
Cool cheers the cover art is quite good for that, from what I have seen. ✅
Originally posted by jinzin
First off: his fights with hulk usually end before there is a definitive winner... had half those fights kept up, or wolverine not gotten his lucky shots he would have died or come close to it.... for example wolverine hulk six hourse..whenever he fights sabretooth they inflict what has been stated as dozens of mortal wounds.. now you have to consider that the longer the fight goes on with that much damage being given, the healing factors eventually going to start to decline especially since logan's body is losing blood through the cuts being made, now consider that every time he fights sabretooth, it's for prolonged periods of time it's not hard to see why logan's more effected by the end result of a sabretooth fight than a hulk one from what we've seen... sabretooth fights aren't a good example....
I would think that the damage caused by Hulk would generally be much worse than anything Creed can dish out.Even if sabertooth can Peirce the skin technically one punch from Hulk should and easily could burst Logan's internal organs out his back and send them flying off into the distance.
Originally posted by jinzin
again first off, hulk doesn't bleed long, he heals so fast it looks like no cut was made.. the damage that hulk does to logan's body is internal.. and logans already admitted to being internally liquified by his hits.. of course slashathons are going to APPEAR worse off than hulk fights.. again not a good comparison.
Oh I agree that initially it would appear far worse but like I said Hulk should be sending intestines and Liver flying everywhere and leaving a huge gaping hole in Logan's back. 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
your sarcasm is noted.. and not appreciated lol....no but we ARE to assume that logans healing factor speeds up with adrenaline... sabes and Hulk cause logan to get more riled up than most of his other rivals combined..
Thats a good point. I never considered that an adrenaline rise may result in more effective regenerative capabilities.
Is there any proof that it makes a significant difference or any difference at all?
Also we are to assume spidey gives him a chance to agitated or worried enough to go into a berserker rage. A quick web to the arms and mouth is an easy option to win for spidey here.
Originally posted by jinzin
again.. a guy does something like fight hulk 13 or 14 times and he's only been KOed several times, you just kinda have to accept the fact that he can....
Oh I certainly agree that he has had an impressive showing against characters like the hulk, but he also seems to do much, much worse against less popular or well known characters who are considerably weaker.
I have to go now and I'm sure I will be picking up again on this tomorrow. Cya 🙂
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
I would think that the damage caused by Hulk would generally be much worse than anything Creed can dish out.[/QUOTE]
I long terms, hell yes... but again what we're discussing is contingent on logan's healing factor, it doesn't work at the same speed all the time.
generally creed can't put logan down as fast as hulk and he usually doesn't his fights with logan drag out to the point were logan's healing factor starts getting taxed.. again when he fights hulk the fight doesn't drag out that long so his healing factor ismost likely working at optimum levels throughout the short fight as opposed to the day long fights he has with sabretooth.
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
Even if sabertooth can Peirce the skin technically one punch from Hulk should and easily could burst Logan's internal organs out his back and send them flying off into the distance.[/QUOTE]
you're arguing a real world logical rationality in a comic book forum need I even continue with what's wrong with that?
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
Oh I agree that initially it would appear far worse but like I said Hulk should be sending intestines and Liver flying everywhere and leaving a huge gaping hole in Logan's back. 🙂 [/QUOTE]
and AGAIN you're trying to argue how you think the character's SHOULD be portrayed instead of how they really are.... Hulk SHOULDN'T be able to turn into a giant muscular behemoth but he does.. it's comics...
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
Thats a good point. I never considered that an adrenaline rise may result in more effective regenerative capabilities.
Is there any proof that it makes a significant difference or any difference at all?[/QUOTE]
I think it's been stated... however I'm not positive...
for the most part to my recollection it's a self evident issue.
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
Also we are to assume spidey gives him a chance to agitated or worried enough to go into a berserker rage. A quick web to the arms and mouth is an easy option to win for spidey here.[/QUOTE]
webbing to arms isn't going to do anything unless he webs the arms TO something... and webbing a guy in the through who cuts bullets out of the air is going to be difficult... also wolverine can go into berserker rage mode at will, he proved that fighting x.
Considering that spiderman has yet to put logan down and out in ANY confrontation they've had I think it's safe to assume wolverine will have a bit of time to accomplish this.
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
Oh I certainly agree that he has had an impressive showing against characters like the hulk, but he also seems to do much, much worse against less popular or well known characters who are considerably weaker.[/QUOTE]
in terms of fighting them? or dealing with damage soak? give more clear examples as I'm kinda in the dark as to what you mean here...
[[/B][/QUOTE] QUOTE=6312133]Originally posted by willRules
I have to go now and I'm sure I will be picking up again on this tomorrow. Cya 🙂 [/QUOTE]
k laters
Originally posted by jinzin
I long terms, hell yes... but again what we're discussing is contingent on logan's healing factor, it doesn't work at the same speed all the time.
Meh, it's fairly inconsistant pretty much all the time. The Hulk fights are definitely among his highest showings there, though I'm not going to argue that Spiderman could overload him.
generally creed can't put logan down as fast as hulk and he usually doesn't his fights with logan drag out to the point were logan's healing factor starts getting taxed.. again when he fights hulk the fight doesn't drag out that long so his healing factor ismost likely working at optimum levels throughout the short fight as opposed to the day long fights he has with sabretooth.
That's a very good explanation, actually... I'd still say that the Wonderman example is a very good way to illustrate the limits of Logan's healing though.
you're arguing a real world logical rationality in a comic book forum need I even continue with what's wrong with that?
I'm not going to lie, I'm a big fan of the "it's comics" argument myself these days. Mostly because Batman can outmuscle a trained tiger and rip a large pipe off of the ground, but hey, whatever works.
and AGAIN you're trying to argue how you think the character's SHOULD be portrayed instead of how they really are.... Hulk SHOULDN'T be able to turn into a giant muscular behemoth but he does.. it's comics...
There's still a fine line though... If Batman were to begin flying under his own power and punch out Superman, it would still be PIS, regardless of the number of times he did it. I'll accept Logan's healing doing things that it "shouldn't" if it indeed is just an accelerated human healing factor, but I won't sit quietly when all of his flesh remains intact when a nuke gets dropped on him.
webbing to arms isn't going to do anything unless he webs the arms TO something... and webbing a guy in the through who cuts bullets out of the air is going to be difficult... also wolverine can go into berserker rage mode at will, he proved that fighting x.
Wolverine's body is something... As is the ground, or in this setting, the walls of the cage. It doesn't have to be the first shot that gets him, but playing smart, Wolverine shouldn't come anywhere near Spiderman for the entire fight. Logically, since Spiderman is fast enough to keep away from Wolverine, and Wolverine has no ranged attacks, Spiderman should be able to dance around him and web his various parts to the arena at his leisure. Spiderman's webs are fast as hell, and blocking a bullet and blocking a stream of fluid are two different things entirely.
Considering that spiderman has yet to put logan down and out in ANY confrontation they've had I think it's safe to assume wolverine will have a bit of time to accomplish this.
He DID web him into an inescapable position though... Very quickly, I might add. Wolverine had to wait for the webs to start dissolving before he could escape, it was very clearly a Spiderman victory. Also, Spiderman doesn't really have the means to KO Wolverine. His options are incapacitaion, which has been done, or killing him, which obviously has not.
Originally posted by jinzin
"supposed to kill him" wtf?are you going by real world logic again? 😕
THAT.... DOESN'T... WORK....
Also logan more times than not has shown simply running head on into gunfire with no considerable damage (his healing factor deals with the bullets so quickly they don't do any effective damage i mean) Anytime he's shown taking longer it's probably because his healing factor's alreadybeen taxed out....
and like s rank said, it's already been stated that hulk's punches liquify logan's organs, he just heals so fast he's still able to fight back...
That's what i can't understand. If his organs are damaged then it should take him atleast half an hour to heal them, not few seconds.
Wolverine has shown that not only is his agility and reflexes are fast enough to dodge Spiderman’s webbing, but that his hands move quite fast enough to cut it easily.
(Giant-sized x-men #4) wolverine and night crawler make a bet that night crawler is still just as fast as he is with out his teleporting. Wolverine proves him wrong in a flash by moving his hands so fast that he has two claws on either side of night crawlers neck. Wolverine proving that his hand speed is quite easily fast enough to catch night crawler whose agility and reflexes are quite high.
(Uncanny x-men vs. X-23 # 451) x-23 lunges attacks wolverine with both her claws at once and wolverine with one hand catches both her arms before she hits him. This feat shows that wolverine arm speed is quite fast, so fast then even he clone who as I recall gave Spiderman some trouble is not nearly as fast.
(X-men what price victory?! # 102) this feat is actually many feats in one. It is a strength, skill and hand movement speed in one. Wolverine attacks Domina with just his fists and gives her quite a beating and right before he does this she had just taken out his entire team. She hit night crawler in mid teleporting and she beat the crap out colossus and the rest of the team. Wolverine using his speed skill and strength manages to give her a beating though he does not KO her he is able to hurt her enough for his team to escape.
(Wolverine 182) wolverines hand movements are pretty dam fast and this is not a high end feat.
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Wolverine hand speed is amazingly fast and accurate as shown in the picture below.
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(Wolverine #22) wolverine hand speed is so fast it is able to cut the darts shot out of the dart gun right out of the air. Since my scanner broken I can not show u what happen after this picture, but u can look it up your self. Not only did wolverine cut those darts out of the air, but he is so skill he made them shot into another guy with out the guy noticing.
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This is not a high end hand movement feat but it still pretty fast; wolverine hands moving so fast it seem like there like 5 of them.
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(Wolverine #23) This picture shows wolverine hands move every fast. The sad part is I do not have the scan of what happens after wolverine does this. On the next page every part of the cyborg that is not human was cut off. This show that not only does his hands move immensely fast, but that he is also beyond skilled with his weapon of choice.
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Low end feat but still quite fast.
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Wolverine cutting a rocket powered dart out of the air.
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Reflex and agility dodging feats.
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
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(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
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(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
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(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
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(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
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(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility.
Also I want to clear up that whole thing were people were actually saying Spiderman could KO wolverine in a hit and that Spiderman was more durable then wolverine.
These are not all of the battles wolverine has had with high strength level people but they are some of them. Also these are just pieces of the fights but as u can see wolverine takes on many high strength level people and he has taken hits from all of them and kept on coming
(Giant –sized X-men 3) wolverine gets hit from behind then hit a couple more times full on by thunder bird with out looking effected at all. Last I checked t-bird is class 90.
(x-men #444 to 445) a whole school blows up from a mutant and wolverine is right at it core and wolverine is hurt, but far from KO.
Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
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Wolverine vs Grey hulk in hulk 340. wolverine takes quite a few this from hulk and keeps coming.
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wolverine vs. hulk again.
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Wolverine vs. hulk under water
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(wolverine vs hulk #8) bone claws wolverine vs. green hulk even bone clawed wolverine took quite a few this from hulk.
here another fight wolverine had with a class 100 and came out on top. Wolverine takes in this fight with ba’al quite a good amount of hits and keeps coming.
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wolverine vs wendigo who is a class 100 and is taking hit quite fine.
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death wolverine vs. hulk and as u can see hulk hitting him aint stopping him.
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wolverine vs namor first fight
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(The New Invaders #6 enemy of the state tie-in) wolverine fight Namor and takes a few hits from Namor and keeps coming and wins the match, This is Namor and wolverine second fight with eachother
wolverine has a fist fight with calabain.
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wolverine getting hit by a dude who most likely over a 100 feet tall. Wolverine not only fine, he even making a joke about it an attacking right away.
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Spiderman going all out on a smiling wolverine. This is for the people who said Spiderman could “kill Wolverine with one punch” also for the people who said Spiderman could “KO” Wolverine with one shot.
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Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
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(wolverine #123) bone claws wolverine is chained up and is beaten over and over by rough-house and never shown through out the comic to pass out. So Wolverine getting beaten on over and over by a class 90 I am sorry but Spiderman could never take that beating.
(New thunderbolts #4) wolverine ahs a sword right through his him and is walking around and doing thing like the sword is not even effecting him, there is no way Spiderman could ever do that.
(Marvel team up #13) Titannus hit wolverine full force twice and wolverine is right back up on the next page which is 3 panels later. Titannus is the same guy who took the hulk out in 3 hits.
(The uncanny x-men 380) wolverine who has no healing factor because of evolutionary takes blast after blast from sinister.( at the end of the fight he regains his healing factor but a fraction of what it was)
(Uncanny x-men #398) a guy uses a high powered flame thrower on wolverine and wolverine just stand there on firer still quite fine and then the guy through to gas grenades at wolverine and the explode making the flames even bigger and wolverine still stand there fine and then fights the guy.
(x-men lost tales 97) wolverine fights his whole team and does pretty dam well. At one point he takes full on blast from banshee,storm ,jean,Cyclopes and is not even KO and keeps on fighting. Spiderman could never do this.
(Wolverine CaptainAmerica #2) wolverine has many many bullets in him most likely 100 give or take a few. Wolverine because of the design of the bullets he is unable to heal them and yet he gets back up a few panels later and is up walking around and fights a lady who has 10 times that of a human in every way due to her suit. Spiderman could never take that many bullets and walk around never.
Wolverine strength level and feats.
HERE WERE I GOT SOME OF MY INFO
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states that Wolverine's strength is enhanced human.” Quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolverine_(comics)/Archive_2
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Wolverines old stats.
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Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
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This pic speaks for it self.
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Lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
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Wolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
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Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
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wolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
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wolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
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Death wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
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since my printer is broken I can only get scan already on my computer so here are comic issue numbers of a few more feats of strength.
In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.
In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.
In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.
In ( Wolverine #44) wolverine runs through a wall of rocks and boulders like it nothing.
In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.
In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.
I have more strength feats proving he is above captain America by a good amount but here are some of them.
Trash dumpster sight
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