Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I don't think anyone is master of so many styles. And I don't think Batman is master of 124 either.I see Wolverine a master of Samurai type Kendo swordfighting, probably Drunken Fist fighting (His moves look uncoordinated, but are probably very well placed - the point of Drunken Fist) he's very likely a master of Aikido, which would give him very good defense, of course the Bushido arts of medieval Samurais such as Juijitsu, Hun Gar, since he has been shown to use opponents weight against themselves time and time again, and Chin-Na because I've seen him use arm locks often.
I'd say he would have been able to master maybe ten styles at most, but he would have very good knowledge about nearly all martial arts. But master of them all? Not possible by any standards.
You're right. He's a master of 127. 😄
Since the issue of Wolverine and other characters knowing every style of martial arts in the world comes up on a somewhat regular basis, I decided to do a little research into the matter to see if it was even feasible.
To start off with I needed to know just how many different martial arts styles exist. This proved to be something of a challenge as a comprehensive list was hard to find. But as with all things in life there was a wikipedia page on the matter. Now this is not an exhaustive list and I found sites claiming that double this number of styles exist but I thought this one would be the best to use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts There are approximately 487 styles listed from about 65 countries.
Now is it possible for Wolverine to not only learn every one of these styles in his life time? That is the next point that must be addressed. For that we need an approximate age for Wolverine. Based on the fact that James and Rose took a ride on a train when fleeing the authorities in Origin, we can assume that he was born no earlier than about 1850s. If I had to say I would assume he was born at the earliest in mid-1870s as it was only in 1885 that the Canadian Pacific Railway was complete thus giving relatively easy access to British Columbia. So that would make Wolverine about 130 to 140 years old.
So now let us do some rough math. We have at least 487 styles to master in 140 years which comes to about 3.5 styles a year. But we cannot use this number for several reasons. First Wolverine didn't start traveling the world until around his late teens/early twenties. Secondly at the time we are talking about traveling from country to country was extremely slow as in many parts of the world your traveling speed was limited to either how fast you could walk or how fast your horse could carry you. Once at a new country Wolverine would have to spend time learning the local language and finding a master who would be willing to teach him a particular style.
Also this does not take into consideration the time Wolverine has spent "adventuring" as a superhero or spy in his life, the time he has spent fighting wars, and the time he has just spent alone in the wilderness. All of which would drastically cut into the time he actually spent learning how to fight. Given these conditions at most Wolverine might have been able to learn one maybe two styles a year on average for a few decades in his life. Which would mean he knows (and I am being very generous here) 100 to 150 different styles. He is far short of mastering every style on the planet and there would be a multitude of ones he has never heard about. The facts Marvel has revealed about his life and common sense just doesn't back up such a claim.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Since the issue of Wolverine and other characters knowing every style of martial arts in the world comes up on a somewhat regular basis, I decided to do a little research into the matter to see if it was even feasible.To start off with I needed to know just how many different martial arts styles exist. This proved to be something of a challenge as a comprehensive list was hard to find. But as with all things in life there was a wikipedia page on the matter. Now this is not an exhaustive list and I found sites claiming that double this number of styles exist but I thought this one would be the best to use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts There are approximately 487 styles listed from about 65 countries.
Now is it possible for Wolverine to not only learn every one of these styles in his life time? That is the next point that must be addressed. For that we need an approximate age for Wolverine. Based on the fact that James and Rose took a ride on a train when fleeing the authorities in Origin, we can assume that he was born no earlier than about 1850s. If I had to say I would assume he was born at the earliest in mid-1870s as it was only in 1885 that the Canadian Pacific Railway was complete thus giving relatively easy access to British Columbia. So that would make Wolverine about 130 to 140 years old.
So now let us do some rough math. We have at least 487 styles to master in 140 years which comes to about 3.5 styles a year. But we cannot use this number for several reasons. First Wolverine didn't start traveling the world until around his late teens/early twenties. Secondly at the time we are talking about traveling from country to country was extremely slow as in many parts of the world your traveling speed was limited to either how fast you could walk or how fast your horse could carry you. Once at a new country Wolverine would have to spend time learning the local language and finding a master who would be willing to teach him a particular style.
Also this does not take into consideration the time Wolverine has spent "adventuring" as a superhero or spy in his life, the time he has spent fighting wars, and the time he has just spent alone in the wilderness. All of which would drastically cut into the time he actually spent learning how to fight. Given these conditions at [b]most
Wolverine might have been able to learn one maybe two styles a year on average for a few decades in his life. Which would mean he knows (and I am being very generous here) 100 to 150 different styles. He is far short of mastering every style on the planet and there would be a multitude of ones he has never heard about. The facts Marvel has revealed about his life and common sense just doesn't back up such a claim. [/B]
With that logic, do you really think Captain America had time to master all styles of martial arts? HELL NO!
Originally posted by TheKahn
Since the issue of Wolverine and other characters knowing every style of martial arts in the world comes up on a somewhat regular basis, I decided to do a little research into the matter to see if it was even feasible.To start off with I needed to know just how many different martial arts styles exist. This proved to be something of a challenge as a comprehensive list was hard to find. But as with all things in life there was a wikipedia page on the matter. Now this is not an exhaustive list and I found sites claiming that double this number of styles exist but I thought this one would be the best to use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts There are approximately 487 styles listed from about 65 countries.
Now is it possible for Wolverine to not only learn every one of these styles in his life time? That is the next point that must be addressed. For that we need an approximate age for Wolverine. Based on the fact that James and Rose took a ride on a train when fleeing the authorities in Origin, we can assume that he was born no earlier than about 1850s. If I had to say I would assume he was born at the earliest in mid-1870s as it was only in 1885 that the Canadian Pacific Railway was complete thus giving relatively easy access to British Columbia. So that would make Wolverine about 130 to 140 years old.
So now let us do some rough math. We have at least 487 styles to master in 140 years which comes to about 3.5 styles a year. But we cannot use this number for several reasons. First Wolverine didn't start traveling the world until around his late teens/early twenties. Secondly at the time we are talking about traveling from country to country was extremely slow as in many parts of the world your traveling speed was limited to either how fast you could walk or how fast your horse could carry you. Once at a new country Wolverine would have to spend time learning the local language and finding a master who would be willing to teach him a particular style.
Also this does not take into consideration the time Wolverine has spent "adventuring" as a superhero or spy in his life, the time he has spent fighting wars, and the time he has just spent alone in the wilderness. All of which would drastically cut into the time he actually spent learning how to fight. Given these conditions at [b]most
Wolverine might have been able to learn one maybe two styles a year on average for a few decades in his life. Which would mean he knows (and I am being very generous here) 100 to 150 different styles. He is far short of mastering every style on the planet and there would be a multitude of ones he has never heard about. The facts Marvel has revealed about his life and common sense just doesn't back up such a claim. [/B]
Originally posted by capt it up
actauly it quite possable for wolverien to ahve learned that many style. first wolverine spent years of training just purly training and not doing any thign eles but trianning.
also wolverine after learnign so many styles would learn other styles much quicker.
also wolverine was taught by a 1000 year old demon
also u forget wolverien false memory implants whcih most of which were just fight style implanted in his head so it quite possable he knwos a lot mroe then 200
also wolverine lived in a village full of ninjas form all over for many years
Is the "1000 year old demon" you're referring to Ogun? Because in my handbooks it says that he's only mastered 13 styles of martial arts. What makes him such a deadly combatant is a style he created all on his own called "Ogun Ryu."
Originally posted by TheKahn
Nope, and until I see him demonstrate some Nguni stick fighting or Capoeira in a fight, I'm not going to assume he has. But that's just me.
I agree. Throwing that term out there is definitely easier said than done. I seriously doubt that Captain America has mastered EVERY STYLE of martial arts in the world. Maybe he's just mastered a bunch of well known martial arts and doesn't know about the rest. If he did know every fighting style in the world, I bet he would pick two more powerful forms to combine other than aikido and boxing.
Originally posted by batdude123
Is the "1000 year old demon" you're referring to Ogun? Because in my handbooks it says that he's only mastered 13 styles of martial arts. What makes him such a deadly combatant is a style he created all on his own called "Ogun Ryu."
Originally posted by capt it up
actauly it quite possable for wolverien to ahve learned that many style. first wolverine spent years of training just purly training and not doing any thign eles but trianning.
also wolverine after learnign so many styles would learn other styles much quicker.
also wolverine was taught by a 1000 year old demon
also u forget wolverien false memory implants whcih most of which were just fight style implanted in his head so it quite possable he knwos a lot mroe then 200
also wolverine lived in a village full of ninjas form all over for many years
I would have to disagree with you on several points. First I agree that Wolverine has spent years, maybe decades, of his life solely training. However given the limitations of late 19th early 20th century transportation technology we are talking about a total of years spent simply traveling from place to place. Add in the fact that Wolverine would be force to visit nearly every country on the globe and would be forced along the way to learn the native language and actually find a person willing and able to teach him and your start removing more time for him to devote to training.
As for Ogun, but has there ever been any reference to him having mastered every martial arts style in the world or of him having trained Wolverine in all of them? Even assuming the answer to both is yes, such a process would take far longer than the time they spent together (most likely longer than Wolverine has been alive). As for the mind implants, I cannot imagine any government agency wasting time and resources to implant that number of martial arts styles into a single mind. It would be too inefficient. I could see them maybe implanting a handful that would be centered around the jobs they had planned for Wolverine, but not hundreds or thousands. And again Wolverine has never demonstrated such a depth of knowledge to back up such a claim. Finally the village of ninjas would only have been able to teach him the few Japanese styles they knew, nothing more.
Originally posted by capt it up
yes I know who he is. and I know more then u could dream about him. also he only master 13 sword fighting styles not fighting styles. also when he posses a person he retains all there knowledge and fighting styles and seeiong how he possed many people over 1000 years he knows a redicules amount of styles.
I'm not trying to insult your knowledge of Ogun by anymeans. It just says in my handbook that, "Ogun was an incomparable martial artist, being a master of thirteen different styles including his own, Ogun Ryu." It didn't say anything about those being sword styles, just regular fighting styles.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I would have to disagree with you on several points. First I agree that Wolverine has spent years, maybe decades, of his life solely training. However given the limitations of late 19th early 20th century transportation technology we are talking about a total of years spent simply traveling from place to place. Add in the fact that Wolverine would be force to visit nearly every country on the globe and would be forced along the way to learn the native language and actually find a person willing and able to teach him and your start removing more time for him to devote to training.As for Ogun, but has there ever been any reference to him having mastered every martial arts style in the world or of him having trained Wolverine in all of them? Even assuming the answer to both is yes, such a process would take far longer than the time they spent together (most likely longer than Wolverine has been alive). As for the mind implants, I cannot imagine any government agency wasting time and resources to implant that number of martial arts styles into a single mind. It would be too inefficient. I could see them maybe implanting a handful that would be centered around the jobs they had planned for Wolverine, but not hundreds or thousands. And again Wolverine has never demonstrated such a depth of knowledge to back up such a claim. Finally the village of ninjas would only have been able to teach him the few Japanese styles they knew, nothing more.
Originally posted by capt it up
ogon him self has stated he has never met a perosn who is so nateruly gifted in fighting. He was able to learn styles at a very impreessive.
ogon has been references to be the greatest fighter ever known mroe styles then any one.
also wolverine did travel the wolverine many times over.
also the village of ninja was filled with the greatest ninja form all over.
actauly wolverien has deminstrated it he has been able to tells tyles of people well watching them fight and say how good they were at the style.
actauly that was the whole piont of wolverine was to make hiom the greaest killing machine by making him brutal and by implanting fighting and styles in to his head.
it is not out of guestion that wolevrien could know more then 250 styles or more.
the fact is does nto really matter he knwos mroe styles then both batman and capt combined
None of that proves that Wolverine has mastered every martial arts style in the world. I will admit that it is possible he could have mastered dozens in his life and has some knowledge of perhaps a few hundred more. But mastering everyone in existence simply isn't possible based on what we know of Wolverine's life history.
Originally posted by TheKahn
None of that [b]proves that Wolverine has mastered every martial arts style in the world. I will admit that it is possible he could have mastered dozens in his life and has some knowledge of perhaps a few hundred more. But mastering everyone in existence simply isn't possible based on what we know of Wolverine's life history. [/B]
Originally posted by Soleran
Besides Cap is a master of Judo and American Boxing he has bastardized to form his own mix🙂
Exactly, that's what I meant before. You would think that if Captain America did know every single martial arts on the planet, that he would mix two more powerful styles together.
Originally posted by capt it up
u sayign wolevrien knowing every stile is impossable but lifting 100 tons is not?
Wolverine simply hasn't enough time to learn them all. if he was learning the day he was born he still would be learning today. Lifting a hundred tons is through different things like mutations etc..................