Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh I'm sorry I thought you knew how long it takes for the webbing to dissovle. Cause sixth winged said it was common knowledge...

I guess you both got it wrong huh?

Until they started to disolve right? How long exactly? 😖hifty:

Don't tell people to pay attention when you're the one that's not.

He never had to break anything, the elasticity of the webbing allowed him to budge.

2 hours?...uhmmm. Did i say that? IIRC, i specifically said "about an hour" and not two.

Thunderstrike was right about what happens to his webbing's adhesion within prolonged periods.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
For Wolverine to get the webbing to move at all, he would have to wait until it got weaker.

Would it take two hours for the elasticity and stickyness, and other elements of the webbing to weaken enough for Wolverine to break free? No, because it will get weaker gradually until the two hours is up.

It disolves AFTER two hours. not IN two hours.

And the webs are NOT rigid when applied, the elasticity is always there. and they weren't disolving when he got free.

It even says it in the scan.

"It's no use, they aren't budgung."

So he uses what little elasticity it has to gain more and more until he has enough to be completely free.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
2 hours?...uhmmm. Did i say that? IIRC, i specifically said "about an hour" and not two.

After about 2 hour, certain imbibed ether cause the solid form of the web fluid to dissolve into a powder.

It would be nice if you knew about Spiderman, then this debate would be easier.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Thunderstrike was right about what happens to his webbing's adhesion within prolonged periods.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean other than the fact that its after two hours and that the web has elasticity to it?

Once again, where does this two hours came from?

We don't how long he was trying to break free of that to the point where he succeeded.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Once again, where does this two hours came from?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
We don't how long he was trying to break free of that to the point where he succeeded.

You really are going against logic, stretching a point to fit when it does not.

Wolverine did not wait for it to disolve, he did not wait for it to start disolving,

He did not want to wait for it to start, he was more eager in saving Spiderman's life, even at the cost of hurting himself.

Everything seems to indicate he got out of it as soon as he could.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The stat that's listed in the handbook?

I don't know anything about that being 2 hrs but judging by that scene with Luke Cage in New Avengers #4, it's still around an hour or so.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I don't know anything about that being 2 hrs but judging by that scene with Luke Cage in New Avengers #4, it's still around an hour or so.

Two hours.

Moot point anyway. Even if it was an hour, it wasn't dissolving. It was still solid enough to hold a person.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The stat that's listed in the handbook?

So why do you make claims about it taking long when the time frame, and the particulars of the even point to not waiting until it disolved?

You really are going against logic, stretching a point to fit when it does not.

Wolverine did not wait for it to disolve, he did not wait for it to start disolving,

He did not want to wait for it to start, he was more eager in saving Spiderman's life, even at the cost of hurting himself.

Everything seems to indicate he got out of it as soon as he could.

Aside from the frustration evident in page #1, or the fact that he commented it still wasn't budging indicating he attempted it other times before, i don't see any reasoning that it took such a short time for him to be able to do so.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I guess Spiderman's organic webbing isn't as long lasting as his inorganic webbing. Which means guess what?

Two hours.

Moot point anyway. Even if it was an hour, it wasn't dissolving. It was still solid enough to hold a person.

New Avengers and Marvel Team-up #1 & 2 already both had him with the organic webbing.

But I haven't really heard anything about them being 2 hours or so though and i was used to the classic dissolve rate by debating for him.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Aside from the frustration evident in page #1, or the fact that he commented it still wasn't budging indicating he attempted it other times before, i don't see any reasoning that it took such a short time for him to be able to do so.

Seriously there is more indication that he was expeidient in his extraction than not.

I don't see what the big deal is. We already established that he got out when he choose to get out, and not when he had to wait.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Err? New Avengers and Marvel Team-up #1 & 2 already both had him with the organic webbing.

Which of course proves he got out even sooner, if the webbing was only solid for an hour rather than two 😈

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
New Avengers and Marvel Team-up #1 & 2 already both had him with the organic webbing.

But I haven't really heard anything about them being 2 hours or so though and i was used to the classic dissolve rate by debating for him.

You know, the classic one.

I woke up this morning and I was damn pissed it seems Wolverine killed the Easter Bunny because I didn't get a basket, seriously evil!

LOL why do people debate about Wolverine getting out of the webbing now........................its obvious that Wolverine can get out of the webbing somehow if left to his own devices. The ability for Wolverine to get out of Spiderman's webbing becomes suspect when the topic is said that Spiderman doesn't leave Wolverine on his own and Spiderman keeps webbing him regardless.

Oh and I still think Wolveirne killed the Easter Bunny!

It took Spiderman 2 hours to reach the kid? Spiderman must have walked. Or did Logan slash his way out quickly enough as not to be too far behind Spiderman? Sorry to repeat what you've already said Creshosk.

Originally posted by Soleran
I woke up this morning and I was damn pissed it seems Wolverine killed the Easter Bunny because I didn't get a basket, seriously evil!

Don't blame it on wolverine he didn't do this to the bunny:

(I can't find the original... -.-;😉

Originally posted by Soleran
I woke up this morning and I was damn pissed it seems Wolverine killed the Easter Bunny because I didn't get a basket, seriously evil!

LOL why do people debate about Wolverine getting out of the webbing now........................its obvious that Wolverine can get out of the webbing somehow if left to his own devices. The ability for Wolverine to get out of Spiderman's webbing becomes suspect when the topic is said that Spiderman doesn't leave Wolverine on his own and Spiderman keeps webbing him regardless.

Oh and I still think Wolveirne killed the Easter Bunny!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because he's done it subsequent times? We were debating this one because it was brought up like he didn't get himself out.

Yeah I did go back and forced myself to read that even though I wanted to cry because it hurt my eyes.

Which is also why I said Wolverine being able to stay webbed is really contingent on Spiderman staying and being dutiful in the fact he needs to keep webbing him etc etc.............

I won't say Wolverine isn't crafty, he has had some serious foes in the past he had to be clever to defeat. However should Spiderman get the web in place all he needs to do is become offensive and continue to keep a TON of webbing on Wolverine and not let him sit there unwatched🙂

That was an evil bunny there guys I am out, happy easter 😄

Originally posted by Soleran
Yeah I did go back and forced myself to read that even though I wanted to cry because it hurt my eyes.

Which is also why I said Wolverine being able to stay webbed is really contingent on Spiderman staying and being dutiful in the fact he needs to keep webbing him etc etc.............

I won't say Wolverine isn't crafty, he has had some serious foes in the past he had to be clever to defeat. However should Spiderman get the web in place all he needs to do is become offensive and continue to keep a TON of webbing on Wolverine and not let him sit there unwatched🙂

That was an evil bunny there guys I am out, happy easter 😄

Yeah that... ended even worse for Spiderman than this encounter did...

Originally posted by Creshosk

Or you know not cause Wolverine isn't that easy to knock out outside of plot circumstances. . .

And what happens the majortiy of the time?

Oh yeah, forgot that part of the equation didn't you?

Majority of the time? Hulk punches him one time and leaves him alone. Wolverine heals. Wolverine comes back. What happens when strong guys don't let him heal? Wolverine gets pwnd.

Originally posted by Creshosk
But hey, it's consistant, which as we know dictates plausability. Well at least as far as logic and science go. after all if you drop a penny fifty times and it floats once, why would you assume its going to float again?

Why would you establish that as the norm?

Oh that's right cause it was cool and therefore your favorite.

Spider-Man fighting like retard is...not consistant. It only seems to happen against Wolverine. Let me explain it veeeery slowly.

Spider-Man fights Doctor Octopus - the way he is fighting him isn't working - Spider-Man finds new way and defeats his opponent.

Spider-Man fights Green Goblin - the way he is fighting him isn't working - Spider-Man finds new way and defeats his opponent.

Spider-Man fights Lizard - the way he is fighting him isn't working - Spider-Man finds new way and defeats his opponent.

Spider-Man fights Scorpion - the way he is fighting him isn't working - Spider-Man finds new way and defeats his opponent.

Spider-Man fights Wolverine - the way he is fightning him isn't working - Spider-Man doesn't even try to find a new way and continues fighting like he has been fighting thus far, hence fighting like a retard.

Out of 10 fights, 9,9 of them is Spider-Man fighting intelligently against enemy...guess which the remaining 0,1 fights are...fights with Wolverine.

Now what was that talk about being consistant?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Consistency. 😉

Unconsistency is the word you are looking for.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well hey you get to pick based on what you like rather than going with what happens most of the time?

Yeah. And Spider-man fights intelligently most of the time.

Originally posted by Creshosk
following the alterations dictated by the rules of the forum.

As in Spiderman versus Wolverine don't expect either of them to shoot energy at each other. unless specified that they do so.

Cause hey I'm debating Spiderman versus Wolverine, Not Spiderman with a fighting skill higher than 4 versues Wolverine with a fighting skill of 4. Unless spcified. . . which it wasn't.

And I expect them fight like they do most of the time. Do you know how small part of Spider-Man's fights are his fights with Wolverine? Pretty damn small.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh oh ! I know this one! I know this one!

Itz the strawman. 😄 Exagerating the opponents argument, thus creating a new argument that you attack and counter. . . problem is it leave my actual arguments completely untouched. 🙂

You could continue forever, of course it'd be a wate of both of our times since that's not the argument I made. 🙂

Let's see - what was your argument again?

"Spider-Man only punches Wolverine in the head when fighting him. That's what he does all the time. That's what he is going to do here".

Let's answer that.

Me: He can still do other things then punching at same part all the time...he has done so before, against many, many other opponents."

You: But he hasn't done it against Wolverine.

Me: But when he has all the means and ways to do so and the older way isn't working, why not change his technique?

You: But he can't. He has never done it before.

Me: What do you mean, yes he has...multiple times.

You: But not against Wolverine.

Me: So? Superman has never speedblitzed Batman, but he has done it to other opponents. Nothing at all stops him doing the same to Batman. Does Wolverine have some magical aura that forbiddens Spider-Man use techniques he already has used in the past, when he has all the means to do so, and nothing Wolverine can do to stop it?

You: He has never done it against Wolverine, so he can't do it.

Now, let's change the people.

"Flash never speedblizes Captain Cold or dodges his ice blasts. He can't do it here".

Let's answer that.

Me: He has still dodged faster and better things then the ice blasts from his gun, and he has also speedblized people in the past, countless times.

You: But he hasn't done it against Captain Cold.

Me: But when he has all the means and ways to do so and the older way isn't working, why not change his technique?

You: But he can't. He has never done it before.

Me: What do you mean, yes he has...multiple times.

You: But not against Captain Cold.

Me: So? Superman has never speedblitzed Batman, but he has done it to other opponents. Nothing at all stops him doing the same to Batman. Does Captain Cold have some magical aura that forbiddens Flash use techniques he already has used in the past, when he has all the means to do so, and nothing Captain Cold can do to stop it?

You: He has never done it against Captain Cold, so he can't do it.

It's the same thing. Spider-Man has means to defeat Wolverine, and there is nothing that can stop him doing it. But by your logic if someone hasn't done something against a particular opponent, even if they have done it to other opponent before, they can't do it now.

I guess that since Spider-Man has never used his webbing on Nightcrawler, I guess he can't do it here. Oh yeah, I think he has never webbed Rhinos legs before, so won't happen on fight.

Tell me again, what stops Spider-Man punching Logan through stomach? Because I don't see any stops here if we aren't going by your "He hasn't done it to a particular opponent before" logic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Your axagerations of my logic you mean.. . so really its your own logic. 😉

Nah, it's your logic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup, "Unless otherwise specified"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless he doesn't have said techniques, why would he suddenly develop said techniques?

But he has the said techniques.

Originally posted by Creshosk
meaning you are completely incapable of responding to what I do write, so rather than admit your inability to respond to what I actually give you you are going to blame me, because you don't like what I'm saying, it must therefore be bad.

That's about as big a cop out as "It was PIS, he was jobbing, or I don't like it."

It's not really easy to answer to a smilie, is it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
So would you admit that this bitterness might be tainting your veiws? 😖hifty:

Cause the way you went off on me for agreeing with you certainly makes it seem you see things that aren't there. 😉

Nope, nothing is tainting my views.