Originally posted by Sparkzwebbing needs at least a plit second to bond... wolverine being the fast animal that he is pulled away before the strands.. YES STRANDS.. while spidey spent a lot of webbing on wolvie's wrists the stuff touching the wall was minute strands... .. could adhere.
Well seeing as Spider-man webbed wolverine so he couldnt move his arms then no, I still don't see how wolverine got out of the webbing to stab spidey in the first place.
Ok, say I give you a solid. Wolverine is about as fast as Spiderman, but he doesn't have precognitive spidersense that warns him of danger. Enhanced senses don't help being able to smell well does not help you when someone faster than you is punching. If anything you see it coming, but aren't fast enough to react.
Originally posted by jinzinAll these "trained individuals" are always big names in marvel as well.
you know what else is clearly shown in books? that spiderman has MAJOR MAJOR issues fighting extremely well trained individuals like.. oh i dunno.. WOLVERINE for instance.. who has given spiderman hell every time they go 1on1... again.. lazers can't trick his spider sense and use it against him.. consider the second scan null and void...wolverine has also speedblitzed that fast or fought faster than the human eye could track or even follow for that matter on nearly a dozen occasions... but wait.. wolverine's feats don't count when they make him look good.. only spiderman's ....
Originally posted by Sam Zbull... you need to read through this thread.. there's at least half a dozen examples here ALONE.
And the only time Wolverine moved faster than some armed guys reacted was when they shot him in the back and there was a lot of dust everywhere.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Spider-man often has problems with street level characters, even with Pun but it is for the sake of the story.
OHHHHH I did not see this one coming! 🙄
so now evidence doesn't count when you don't like it?
cause you just said>>>
Originally posted by Sam Z
not because fans say so but because it was clearly shown in the books.
Originally posted by Sam Zno one called anything bad writing... 😐 it's just that the pro spidey feats against wolverine are usually circumstantial.. so they don't account for much here....
You see, when Punisher hits Spider's web-shooters it is just fine but when he defeats Wolverine it automatically bad writing. And that's what Wolverine fans say all the time.
Originally posted by Sam Zand I've never seen spiderman FIGHT so fast that a telepath couldn't pick up on the movements of the fight.. but wolvie's done it.. so. again... similar levels of speed...
I never saw Wolverine dodging bullet that is a feet away from him, like here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479
Originally posted by Sam Zwell when IT IS clear and wolverine stops having speed feats putting him in the same level of spiderman or stops being able to touch spidey you come let me know. 😉
Honostly Jinzin, Spider-man and Wolverine are my favourite Marvel characters (well, and Venom) but when it is clear that Wolverine is not a match for Spider in speed I don't argue that.
yes no match in speed but strength isnt really an issue since one his and wolverines claws will be in spidermans gut its kinda like fighting your older brother he may be stronger and faster and more durable but if u have 6 claws on your hands that doesnt matter and woloverine will never stop getin back upso i still dont see anyones point
Originally posted by jinzin
webbing needs at least a plit second to bond... wolverine being the fast animal that he is pulled away before the strands.. YES STRANDS.. while spidey spent a lot of webbing on wolvie's wrists the stuff touching the wall was minute strands... .. could adhere.
How do you know they were strands you can't see the webbing that was attached to the wall...and wolverine was definatly on that wall longer than a split second, he was rammed into it by Spider-man so he would be slightly stunned only slightly but wolverine isn't going to recover after a split second, maybe 1 or 2 but not a split...and if it realy was that weak after a split second Spider-man wouldnt be able to web swing, his weight would pull the webbing off the surface it was adhereing to everytime he fired it because it hasnt had enough time to stick.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterwell there are a FEW that are not.. but I have no argument there anyways.. I think there's a reason why these guys are big names.. mostly due to reasoning that was shown in the spidey cap thread.
All these "trained individuals" are always big names in marvel as well.
how's it goin today c?
Originally posted by Black Dudewolverine's fast enough to SEE bullets coming at him in slow motion and move fast enough to be untraceable to the human eye.. I think he can hang.
Ok, say I give you a solid. Wolverine is about as fast as Spiderman, but he doesn't have precognitive spidersense that warns him of danger. Enhanced senses don't help being able to smell well does not help you when someone faster than you is punching. If anything you see it coming, but aren't fast enough to react.
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine isn't as fast as Spiderman at all, he may be nigh close in his ability to strike, but I don't see him near in overall spead, when spiderman kicks it into high gear.
bull... you need to read through this thread.. there's at least half a dozen examples here ALONE.OHHHHH I did not see this one coming! 🙄
so now evidence doesn't count when you don't like it?
cause you just said>>>
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no one called anything bad writing... 😐 it's just that the pro spidey feats against wolverine are usually circumstantial.. so they don't account for much here....
and I've never seen spiderman FIGHT so fast that a telepath couldn't pick up on the movements of the fight.. but wolvie's done it.. so. again... similar levels of speed...
well when IT IS clear and wolverine stops having speed feats putting him in the same level of spiderman or stops being able to touch spidey you come let me know. 😉
Originally posted by jinzinBusy, got accounting, blah blah blah, and trying to do a blog or two. 🙁 And midterms are this week.
well there are a FEW that are not.. but I have no argument there anyways.. I think there's a reason why these guys are big names.. mostly due to reasoning that was shown in the spidey cap thread.how's it goin today c?
Originally posted by Sparkzmaybe split second isn't a good enough word to use what I'm trying to convey... nanosecond? does that work better for you?
How do you know they were strands you can't see the webbing that was attached to the wall...and wolverine was definatly on that wall longer than a split second, he was rammed into it by Spider-man so he would be slightly stunned only slightly but wolverine isn't going to recover after a split second, maybe 1 or 2 but not a split...and if it realy was that weak after a split second Spider-man wouldnt be able to web swing, his weight would pull the webbing off the surface it was adhereing to everytime he fired it because it hasnt had enough time to stick.
look you can see at least one of his arms against the wall.. and hardly any webbing at all holding it there...
and why would he be stunned by being rammed into a wall.. he wasn't slammed THAT hard.. I mean the guy has recovered from an 11 story drop at a full sprint.. so...
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI'd say in terms of travel.. no he can't compete obviously.. in terms of fighting speed.. he's damned close...
Wolverine isn't as fast as Spiderman at all, he may be nigh close in his ability to strike, but I don't see him near in overall spead, when spiderman kicks it into high gear.
Originally posted by Tha C-Mastergah 😘
Busy, got accounting, blah blah blah, and trying to do a blog or two. 🙁 And midterms are this week.
you go to school year around?
Originally posted by jinzinYea, to top it off I'm working on a piece of artwork in memory of the death of Aimee. It should be nice, I'm calling it joined souls. I was going to airbrush a shirt, but then I remembered my airbrush sucked.
I'd say in terms of travel.. no he can't compete obviously.. in terms of fighting speed.. he's damned close...gah 😘
you go to school year around?
Originally posted by jinzin
maybe split second isn't a good enough word to use what I'm trying to convey... nanosecond? does that work better for you?look you can see at least one of his arms against the wall.. and hardly any webbing at all holding it there...
and why would he be stunned by being rammed into a wall.. he wasn't slammed THAT hard.. I mean the guy has recovered from an 11 story drop at a full sprint.. so...
I didn't say he wouldnt recover but if your slammed into a wall by someone who can lift 15-20 tons your gonna be stunned, and your not gonna recover after a split second.
And did he recover from that 11 story fall in a split second?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterlol.. lemme see it when it's done man... hey.. do you have any good way to get large peices of artwork sized down for me to scan so i can put together an online portfilio?
Yea, to top it off I'm working on a piece of artwork in memory of the death of Aimee. It should be nice, I'm calling it joined souls. I was going to airbrush a shirt, but then I remembered my airbrush sucked.
Originally posted by Black Dudethe feat I'm talking about had nothing to do with mind reading.. 🤨
Spiderman has fought so fast that telepaths can't read him in fact Moodragon can't even predict his movements when he is in hyper spidey mode because he is all instinct then. Wolverine's mind can't be read thanks to Weapon X tampering.
and of course a telepath can't read instinctive movements.. the same way mr. x can't read wolvies when he goes berserker.. pssshhhh...
Originally posted by Sparkzyeah pretty much.. of course if that don't work for you we can take 75% of his fights with bricks where he takes a pounding and remains uneffected... and again. spidey didn't slam him THAT hard.. nor did he slam his head into the wall.... 😕
I didn't say he wouldnt recover but if your slammed into a wall by someone who can lift 15-20 tons your gonna be stunned, and your not gonna recover after a split second.And did he recover from that 11 story fall in a split second?
Originally posted by Black Dude
Well remember Spiderman tends to pull his punches so he probably didn't slam Wolvie into the wall with all of his strength, if he did he would have went right through it.
He was punching Wolverine with all his strength in the graveyard fight and didnt punch him through the gravestone.
And we don't know what its made out of anyway or how thick it is, you'd assume it would be tough if it was designed for Super heros to work out in, could be admantium for all we know.