Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by capt it up
It was never ment to be an agility feat it was for speed.

first how it not as impressive? spiderman save a man from a car. wolverine from the other side of the room cut's out a door size piece of metal then get's night crawler before he fall's to his doom. night crawler was falling from what 4 feet in the air 5 top's

Lol. You make it seem like Spider-Man just buckled this guys seatbelt for him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man was moving in a straight line for the van feat. Wolverine had to run across the room, cut out a 4x8 steel sheet form the wall, then move to the fire pit to catch Nightcrawler all before Kurt finished his five some odd foot decent. There is a lot more going on in Wolverine's feat then in Spider-mans. They are certainly both comparable but Wolverine's is the more impressive of the two.

Five foot descent? Thats a joke right? Since when are trapiezes suspended five feet off the ground and since when did Angel fly that low anyway?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man was moving in a straight line for the van feat. Wolverine had to run across the room, cut out a 4x8 steel sheet form the wall, then move to the fire pit to catch Nightcrawler all before Kurt finished his five some odd foot decent. There is a lot more going on in Wolverine's feat then in Spider-mans. They are certainly both comparable but Wolverine's is the more impressive of the two.

Logan's not moving in a straight line? Only obstacle I saw Logan that Logan had was the wall in front of him and considering he has the claws it really wasn't much

first angle fly's that low all the time. second they are set up that low all the time in the danger room. hell kurt as a human fell from one before and was perfectly fine becase there not that high form the ground.

also if it was really high would night crawler not be dead? or badly injuryed?

Do you not have any idea how to move a figure forward and backwards on the figure plan in perspective? You can see Archangel flying, and you can see Wolverine running on the ground beneath him. You know the height of both characters so make an educated guess on how far above Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Archangel are.

And five foot isn't the total desent. It is (an educated guess at) the distance Nightcrawler is above the the fire pit in the panel right before Wolverine is shown cutting into the wall.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you not have any idea how to move a figure forward and backwards on the figure plan in perspective? You can see Archangel flying, and you can see Wolverine running on the ground beneath him. You know the height of both characters so make an educated guess on how far above Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Archangel are.

And five foot isn't the total desent. It is (an educated guess at) the distance Nightcrawler is above the the fire pit in the panel right before Wolverine is shown cutting into the wall.

Well I still didn't get five feet from looking at the picture. From the first panel we can see nearly all of the fire pit (which doesn't seem very large), but when Kurt is caught we can only mak out the corners ie. the pit is much larger than in the first panel. Perspective says that since Angel and Nightcrawler were fairly high up in the air the pit looked smaller than it actuall was. If the fall was only five feet then wouldn't the size of the pit be roughly consistent in each shot?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Art shows flurry of punches, which again says to me that Wolverine couldn't react in time to even put up his guard much less wave his hands

his guard was ALREADY up.. 😬

Originally posted by marvelprince
From the backward attack to the punching in the face I'd say there is a rather obvious difference in terms of speed

Originally posted by marvelprince
Which apparently went way over my head (sorry). I got from that you were saying if Wolverine could get Thing when Thing had him pinned why couldn't he do it to Spider-Man.

okay so you DID understand the point.. then why bring up spiderman's speed, all his speed would do is help him avoid a blow from wolverine, but that's still the opening that wolverine would need if he wanted up.. 😐

Originally posted by marvelprince
Yup, really. My point was not to prove that he wasn't tired but that Wolverine didn't get him due to his exhaustion. He clearly could still on at that point even if later he mentions he's tired. Point was Logan only managed to get him when he hesitated. Period

Originally posted by marvelprince
And if Spider-Man was really fighting then he would have used his webs. It happens. Besides, what makes you so sure if the claws were out that Wolverine would be able to land the same blow? Spider-sense would react move strongly to a killing blow than it would to a love tap.

oh for the love of.. here we go again..

spiderman DID use his webs, at the beginning of the encounter he webbed wolverine's arm, wolverine shredded the webbing, spiderman tackled wolverine and the fight was on, after that spiderman said he couldn't let up for a second or wolverine would kill him... it's more than likely he didn't use his webs because he was afraid that would cost him the second he thought he couldn't afford against logan.

what makes you so certain he wouldn't have? did spider sense make peter untouchable when logan has stabbed him? 😬

Originally posted by marvelprince
Nightwing has comparable speed feats too. Is he as fast or faster than Wolverine. I'm pretty sure I mentioned relativity in comics a few times already.

probably not... well atually I'll be honest, I haven't seen all of nightwings speed feats, so he could be... my point is, that even if wolverine is faster than nightwing it once again comes down to what soljer's said.. wolverine may be faster, but the gap's not so huge that it's going to make all the difference in a fight.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Comparable? Yes. So close it won't make a difference? No.

I tend to disagree...

we've all seen that spiderman and wolverine are relatively close in terms of speed, and that spiderman putters out first in comparison to wolverine.. so even if spiderman does start out faster (and it's not THAT much faster) then he's not going to maintain a gap that's huge enough to play a difference in this fight anyway..

Originally posted by marvelprince
The guy has next to no confidence in himself. He probably thinks Black Cat is comparable.

ah no confidence?

so when he says he's 40x faster than a human that's what then?

Originally posted by marvelprince
A few classes

unless you're referring to your interpretation on feats again, in which case, needs to be proven first. 😐

Originally posted by Soljer
Uhhhmmm...it was Napalm.

no.. it was a nuke.. they even state it's a tacticle nuke in the issue.

Originally posted by masterbruce
It's not a trap. It's just Logan being smart, knowing his weaknesses. Logan's a expert tactician, he's not gonna fight disadvantaged.

Since Spiderman is foolishly naive and honorable, he will chase Logan into the building, where the odds will shift to Logan's favor.

This isn't some elaborate trap, its just a battle worn expert using field tactics against a smart geeky kid who's in over his head.

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cheers

I just looked at the whole danger room feat (previouse page to) to be honest to me it looked like logan was almost underneath Nightcrawler to begin with. and Nightcrawler seemed alot higher than 5 foot more like 10 or 12 to me.

But to be honest i think this feat is more impressive than Capt is making out, the way I see it is Wolverine started underneath Nightcrawler (around the centre of the room) ran to a wall to cut a panel than ran back to the centre with the panel to catch him. Thats seems very impressive.

but at the same time i can't compare it to Spideys while Logans was all about ground speed Spideys was about moving through the air and probaly being slowed down by the flying truck when moving through while still doing it all very fast. personaly i see these feats as equal but in different terms of speed.

Wolverine for sheer movment Spider-man for moving quickly against an on moving obstical and mangaing to pull complex moves through it while maintaing speed.

Also the whole point of people trapping Spider-man in a room even with his Spider-sense is usualy due to he has no choice because he has to save a loved one or he is physicly forced in there, otherwise he isn't that stupid.

Also Spider-man isn't eactly naive when it comes to combat just cause he isnt a martial artist dosnt mean hes stupid.

What's this I keep hearing about a five foot trapeze? Is Nightcrawler suddenly a three foot midget?

Originally posted by Sparkz
I just looked at the whole danger room feat (previouse page to) to be honest to me it looked like logan was almost underneath Nightcrawler to begin with. and Nightcrawler seemed alot higher than 5 foot more like 10 or 12 to me.

But to be honest i think this feat is more impressive than Capt is making out, the way I see it is Wolverine started underneath Nightcrawler (around the centre of the room) ran to a wall to cut a panel than ran back to the centre with the panel to catch him. Thats seems very impressive.

but at the same time i can't compare it to Spideys while Logans was all about ground speed Spideys was about moving through the air and probaly being slowed down by the flying truck when moving through while still doing it all very fast. personaly i see these feats as equal but in different terms of speed.

Wolverine for sheer movment Spider-man for moving quickly against an on moving obstical and mangaing to pull complex moves through it while maintaing speed.

My point exactly. I think that in terms of an overall feat that Spiderman's is the more impressive and more skillfull/difficult when comparing the two, but it is highly possible that Wolverine was moving faster at the time in pure speed. However, I think Spiderman can move as fast or faster than wolverine in other feats that have been posted and I think his reflexes and agility are more important to a fight situation than overall speed.

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Originally posted by Jade Lightning
My point exactly. I think that in terms of an overall feat that Spiderman's is the more impressive and more skillfull/difficult when comparing the two, but it is highly possible that Wolverine was moving faster at the time in pure speed. However, I think Spiderman can move as fast or faster than wolverine in other feats that have been posted and I think his reflexes and agility are more important to a fight situation than overall speed.

I agree what Spider-man did was more impressive on a whole but the speed feats themselfs were equal, I just find the whole jumping in the air weaving through a van saving a game ripping a door off the jumping clear alot more impressive than run across a room cut a wall and run back.

Originally posted by Sparkz
I just looked at the whole danger room feat (previouse page to) to be honest to me it looked like logan was almost underneath Nightcrawler to begin with. and Nightcrawler seemed alot higher than 5 foot more like 10 or 12 to me.

But to be honest i think this feat is more impressive than Capt is making out, the way I see it is Wolverine started underneath Nightcrawler (around the centre of the room) ran to a wall to cut a panel than ran back to the centre with the panel to catch him. Thats seems very impressive.

but at the same time i can't compare it to Spideys while Logans was all about ground speed Spideys was about moving through the air and probaly being slowed down by the flying truck when moving through while still doing it all very fast. personaly i see these feats as equal but in different terms of speed.

Wolverine for sheer movment Spider-man for moving quickly against an on moving obstical and mangaing to pull complex moves through it while maintaing speed.

Originally posted by jinzin
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thats the second time you'v done that to one of my rants...I must be starting to make sense lol.

Originally posted by jinzin
his guard was ALREADY up.. 😬

:rollseyes: But yet he couldn't react in time to stop the blows

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah but you saying so doesn't make it true.
and you're only saying so because you assume so, and there's really no indication that there was a difference in speed aside from wolverine's reaction. 😬

And you denying it doesn't it make it fake.

Originally posted by jinzin
okay so you DID understand the point.. then why bring up spiderman's speed, all his speed would do is help him avoid a blow from wolverine, but that's still the opening that wolverine would need if he wanted up.. 😐

Because your point doesn't make sense. Of course Wolverine can slash Thing if Ben has him pinned to the ground. Why? Cause Wolverine is faster. Wolverine can't however do that to Spider-Man, cause as we saw in the fight, Spider-Man was going too dast for him. He needed to wait till Spider-Man hesistated before he got his opening.

Originally posted by jinzin
nah, not really.. he managed "to get" spiderman when spiderman stopped punching him. and the phrase "he managed" makes it out to look like wolverine was trying to get up the whole time, which he obviously wasn't...

I say managed cause he didn't have the opportunity before. He had to bide his time.

Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman DID use his webs, at the beginning of the encounter he webbed wolverine's arm, wolverine shredded the webbing, spiderman tackled wolverine and the fight was on, after that spiderman said he couldn't let up for a second or wolverine would kill him... it's more than likely he didn't use his webs because he was afraid that would cost him the second he thought he couldn't afford against logan.

OMG! Web on his arm once and we discount the uselessness of the webbing, despite seeing how effective the webbing is against Wolverine in future encounters. How silly of me :/

Originally posted by jinzin
what makes you so certain he wouldn't have? did spider sense make peter untouchable when logan has stabbed him? 😬

Huh?

Originally posted by jinzin
probably not... well atually I'll be honest, I haven't seen all of nightwings speed feats, so he could be... my point is, that even if wolverine is faster than nightwing it once again comes down to what soljer's said.. wolverine may be faster, but the gap's not so huge that it's going to make all the difference in a fight.

Agree to disagree here. I can't accept that Wolverine is in Spider-Man's league in terms of speed. Just below, maybe, but not close enough to the point where it won't play a difference.

Originally posted by jinzin
I tend to disagree...

Shocking! 😂

Originally posted by jinzin
we've all seen that spiderman and wolverine are relatively close in terms of speed, and that spiderman putters out first in comparison to wolverine.. so even if spiderman does start out faster (and it's not THAT much faster) then he's not going to maintain a gap that's huge enough to play a difference in this fight anyway..

He's not gonna maintain a gap thats huge enough to maintain a difference? Did you switch Spider-Man for some other slow character? I'd say in pretty much all of their encounters speed has played something of a difference.

Originally posted by jinzin
ah no confidence?

so when he says he's 40x faster than a human that's what then?

Thats called facts. If you're really gonna argue that Spider-Man is confindent in his abilities then I think you really need to dust off some of those Spider-Man comics you claim to have.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm fairly certain it's 2 by handbook stats, and one by shield stats..

unless you're referring to your interpretation on feats again, in which case, needs to be proven first. 😐

So that pictures that sow him repeatedly putting his fist in Wolverine's face before Wolverine can counter is what now...donuts? :/

Can't we leave this Graveyard fight alone after all neither character was fighting at their best, Spider-man was a nervous wreck and moving slower than usual and not even using webbing. And Wolverine was cutting him into shishcabob in his "weakened" state and going easy on him. (At least to the degree he wasn't going out for blood)

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