Originally posted by marvelprince
:rollseyes: But yet he couldn't react in time to stop the blowsAnd you denying it doesn't it make it fake.
Because your point doesn't make sense. Of course Wolverine can slash Thing if Ben has him pinned to the ground. Why? Cause Wolverine is faster. Wolverine can't however do that to Spider-Man, cause as we saw in the fight, Spider-Man was going too dast for him. He needed to wait till Spider-Man hesistated before he got his opening.
I say managed cause he didn't have the opportunity before. He had to bide his time.
OMG! Web on his arm once and we discount the uselessness of the webbing, despite seeing how effective the webbing is against Wolverine in future encounters. How silly of me :/
Huh?
Agree to disagree here. I can't accept that Wolverine is in Spider-Man's league in terms of speed. Just below, maybe, but not close enough to the point where it won't play a difference.
Shocking! 😂
He's not gonna maintain a gap thats huge enough to maintain a difference? Did you switch Spider-Man for some other slow character? I'd say in pretty much all of their encounters speed has played something of a difference.
Thats called facts. If you're really gonna argue that Spider-Man is confindent in his abilities then I think you really need to dust off some of those Spider-Man comics you claim to have.
So that pictures that sow him repeatedly putting his fist in Wolverine's face before Wolverine can counter is what now...donuts? :/
well in that fight wolverine did seem superior to me and he wasnt even trying. Spiderman was questioning his speed against wolverine, felt like wolverine was superior to him in speed or close to his speed. Wolverine was taking all of spiderman punches, EASILY, and had a smile on his face while he was taking them and this was a spiderman that was going all out. Then when spiderman realized that he wasnt having an affect on wolverine he decided to let wolverine charge him but wolverine charged him without the claws. Wolverine held back and seem veeeeeeeeeeeery superior to spiderman and spiderman strength was worthless. I dont know why people keep bringing this battle up when wolverine could have sat there and taken spiderman best shots. That wasnt the 1st time wolverine has taken spiderman best shots. He did it on marvel knights. Spiderman went into a rage punching wolverine with all of his might and wolverine sat there and took spiderman best shots, telling him you can stop at any time, it is starting to hurt. I can show you 3 fights where wolverine and spiderman got into it and wolverine in the fights wolverine is beating spiderman, can you all show me a fight where spiderman beat wolverine, I dont think that you can.
Spiderman powers are worthless against someone like wolverine. In the shield files they were ranking powerlevels 1 out of 10 and they had wolverine at 9 and said when in a berserker rage he can be a 10 and they had spiderman at 8. That should be enough to tell you who could win the fight.
Spiderman is a good and powerful character but fighting wolverine he would lose everytime, just like he lost to silver samarai.
Originally posted by carver9
well in that fight wolverine did seem superior to me and he wasnt even trying. Spiderman was questioning his speed against wolverine, felt like wolverine was superior to him in speed or close to his speed. Wolverine was taking all of spiderman punches, EASILY, and had a smile on his face while he was taking them and this was a spiderman that was going all out. Then when spiderman realized that he wasnt having an affect on wolverine he decided to let wolverine charge him but wolverine charged him without the claws. Wolverine held back and seem veeeeeeeeeeeery superior to spiderman and spiderman strength was worthless. I dont know why people keep bringing this battle up when wolverine could have sat there and taken spiderman best shots. That wasnt the 1st time wolverine has taken spiderman best shots. He did it on marvel knights. Spiderman went into a rage punching wolverine with all of his might and wolverine sat there and took spiderman best shots, telling him you can stop at any time, it is starting to hurt. I can show you 3 fights where wolverine and spiderman got into it and wolverine in the fights wolverine is beating spiderman, can you all show me a fight where spiderman beat wolverine, I dont think that you can.Spiderman powers are worthless against someone like wolverine. In the shield files they were ranking powerlevels 1 out of 10 and they had wolverine at 9 and said when in a berserker rage he can be a 10 and they had spiderman at 8. That should be enough to tell you who could win the fight.
Spiderman is a good and powerful character but fighting wolverine he would lose everytime, just like he lost to silver samarai.
Really cause you could turn around in the MK "fight" and say Wolverine couldn't retaliate because he was to busy recoiling from Spider-mans punches, and i believe wolverines words were "not that I don't deserve this but ow jeeze that hurts"
Also Spider-man clobbered Wolverine in the secret wars 😛 just swatting him away.
And while Wolverine was dominating in the graveyard fight its not surprising, at the time Spidey was still v amateurish and shitting his pants commenting on how he feels slow etc. Also like to point out Logan couldn't hit Spidey until Pete let him so there's something in Spidey's favour there.
And yes if Spidey took on Logan H2H he would most likely loose after getting tired and slipping up, but if he were to use webbing and keep his distance it is more likely he would gain the advantage on Logan, after all Logan can't keep dodging perfectly forever either.
As for the whole powerlevel thing that dosn't prove anything after all DD was a lower level than Spidey in that and he's beaten him before, dosn't mean that a character can't beat someone who is rated higher.
Also I think you're forgetting that the two of them are completely different characters now than they were during the amaturish graveyard fight. Spiderman is now a class 20 character, he was no more than a 10 tonner at the time, and his upgrades and newfound experience would make it a much more violent fight... not to mention most of the writing back then wasn't up to par as far as continuity goes.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Really cause you could turn around in the MK "fight" and say Wolverine couldn't retaliate because he was to busy recoiling from Spider-mans punches, and i believe wolverines words were "not that I don't deserve this but ow jeeze that hurts"Also Spider-man clobbered Wolverine in the secret wars 😛 just swatting him away.
And while Wolverine was dominating in the graveyard fight its not surprising, at the time Spidey was still v amateurish and shitting his pants commenting on how he feels slow etc. Also like to point out Logan couldn't hit Spidey until Pete let him so there's something in Spidey's favour there.
And yes if Spidey took on Logan H2H he would most likely loose after getting tired and slipping up, but if he were to use webbing and keep his distance it is more likely he would gain the advantage on Logan, after all Logan can't keep dodging perfectly forever either.
As for the whole powerlevel thing that dosn't prove anything after all DD was a lower level than Spidey in that and he's beaten him before, dosn't mean that a character can't beat someone who is rated higher.
just to clear soem thing up in the MK fight logan clearly let spiderman hit him becuase he felt bad.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Really cause you could turn around in the MK "fight" and say Wolverine couldn't retaliate because he was to busy recoiling from Spider-mans punches, and i believe wolverines words were "not that I don't deserve this but ow jeeze that hurts"Also Spider-man clobbered Wolverine in the secret wars 😛 just swatting him away.
And while Wolverine was dominating in the graveyard fight its not surprising, at the time Spidey was still v amateurish and shitting his pants commenting on how he feels slow etc. Also like to point out Logan couldn't hit Spidey until Pete let him so there's something in Spidey's favour there.
And yes if Spidey took on Logan H2H he would most likely loose after getting tired and slipping up, but if he were to use webbing and keep his distance it is more likely he would gain the advantage on Logan, after all Logan can't keep dodging perfectly forever either.
As for the whole powerlevel thing that dosn't prove anything after all DD was a lower level than Spidey in that and he's beaten him before, dosn't mean that a character can't beat someone who is rated higher.
Ok, none of your postings make since. 1st I would like to start off with the shield powerlevel - did you read the book, secret wars, not the old secret wars but the new version. It had daredevil rating the same as spiderman, a 8. It had wolverine, captain america, daredevil, spiderman, and wolverine was the only 1 at 9 and they said that he could be a 10.
During the spiderman fight, wolverine was holding back trying to tell spiderman why he is doing what he is doing. His intentions wasnt to kill spiderman, he wanted spiderman out of the way, while spiderman was in fear of wolverine, claiming that he never fought anyone like him. If wolverine went all out, he could have killed spiderman ' if he wanted'. Now lets get on this upgrade of spiderman. Do you really think that 20 tons is going to do anything against wolverine. Think about what you said, 20 tons. I dont think so, it would make any difference as him having 10 ton strength, he would still get killed.
On almost every encounter i have seen spiderman and wolverine in, spiderman always seems to fear wolverine, ALWAYS. Like I told you before, show me a scan where spiderman beats wolverine and I can double yours. Spiderman cannot beat wolverine and he just got the h*** beaten out of him by cap and gotten beaten up by silver samarai and also gotten manhandled and defeated by daredevil, he cant fight characters who is marked as some of the best fighters in marvel. Do me a favor, name one of spiderman supervillians that has fighting experience and fighting skills on par with cap. I can name at least 5 or 6 people on wolverine enemy list. I bet you cant find noone.
Like I said before spiderman is a good character and he impress me everyday but beating wolverine, it aint happening. He needs another upgrade for anything like that to happen. A better fight though would be wolverine vs black tarantula.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, none of your postings make since. 1st I would like to start off with the shield powerlevel - did you read the book, secret wars, not the old secret wars but the new version. It had daredevil rating the same as spiderman, a 8. It had wolverine, captain america, daredevil, spiderman, and wolverine was the only 1 at 9 and they said that he could be a 10.During the spiderman fight, wolverine was holding back trying to tell spiderman why he is doing what he is doing. His intentions wasnt to kill spiderman, he wanted spiderman out of the way, while spiderman was in fear of wolverine, claiming that he never fought anyone like him. If wolverine went all out, he could have killed spiderman ' if he wanted'. Now lets get on this upgrade of spiderman. Do you really think that 20 tons is going to do anything against wolverine. Think about what you said, 20 tons. I dont think so, it would make any difference as him having 10 ton strength, he would still get killed.
On almost every encounter i have seen spiderman and wolverine in, spiderman always seems to fear wolverine, ALWAYS. Like I told you before, show me a scan where spiderman beats wolverine and I can double yours. Spiderman cannot beat wolverine and he just got the h*** beaten out of him by cap and gotten beaten up by silver samarai and also gotten manhandled and defeated by daredevil, he cant fight characters who is marked as some of the best fighters in marvel. Do me a favor, name one of spiderman supervillians that has fighting experience and fighting skills on par with cap. I can name at least 5 or 6 people on wolverine enemy list. I bet you cant find noone.
Like I said before spiderman is a good character and he impress me everyday but beating wolverine, it aint happening. He needs another upgrade for anything like that to happen. A better fight though would be wolverine vs black tarantula.
I disagree with your synopsis
just to clear soem thing up in the MK fight logan clearly let spiderman hit him becuase he felt bad.
Your subjective analysis is noted, thanks.
Originally posted by carver9
well in that fight wolverine did seem superior to me and he wasnt even trying. Spiderman was questioning his speed against wolverine, felt like wolverine was superior to him in speed or close to his speed. Wolverine was taking all of spiderman punches, EASILY, and had a smile on his face while he was taking them and this was a spiderman that was going all out. Then when spiderman realized that he wasnt having an affect on wolverine he decided to let wolverine charge him but wolverine charged him without the claws. Wolverine held back and seem veeeeeeeeeeeery superior to spiderman and spiderman strength was worthless. I dont know why people keep bringing this battle up when wolverine could have sat there and taken spiderman best shots. That wasnt the 1st time wolverine has taken spiderman best shots. He did it on marvel knights. Spiderman went into a rage punching wolverine with all of his might and wolverine sat there and took spiderman best shots, telling him you can stop at any time, it is starting to hurt. I can show you 3 fights where wolverine and spiderman got into it and wolverine in the fights wolverine is beating spiderman, can you all show me a fight where spiderman beat wolverine, I dont think that you can.Spiderman powers are worthless against someone like wolverine. In the shield files they were ranking powerlevels 1 out of 10 and they had wolverine at 9 and said when in a berserker rage he can be a 10 and they had spiderman at 8. That should be enough to tell you who could win the fight.
Spiderman is a good and powerful character but fighting wolverine he would lose everytime, just like he lost to silver samarai.
Wolverine wasn't even trying? Wtf? Where did this come from? Cause he charged him once and didn't have out the claws? What makes you think even if he had the claws he would have connected? Wolverine was taking the shots, but my point was that Spider-Man got in a ton of unanswered shots before Wolverine could even react. Did you even read the Marvel Knights issue? Wolverine didn't just sit there and calmly say anything. He was cowering and trying to protect himself. How is that total physical superiority. I don't even go by that feat cause that was a non-fight imo but if you want to go there how about in Secret Wars when Spider-Man backhanded Wolverine away like he was nothing? And nice job with the SHIELD files, cause obviously thats the true measuring stick of how powerful someone is.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, none of your postings make since. 1st I would like to start off with the shield powerlevel - did you read the book, secret wars, not the old secret wars but the new version. It had daredevil rating the same as spiderman, a 8. It had wolverine, captain america, daredevil, spiderman, and wolverine was the only 1 at 9 and they said that he could be a 10.
If you're really gonna argue Spider-Man's on the same level as Daredevil there's no point to even trying to reason with you.
Originally posted by carver9
During the spiderman fight, wolverine was holding back trying to tell spiderman why he is doing what he is doing. His intentions wasnt to kill spiderman, he wanted spiderman out of the way, while spiderman was in fear of wolverine, claiming that he never fought anyone like him. If wolverine went all out, he could have killed spiderman ' if he wanted'. Now lets get on this upgrade of spiderman. Do you really think that 20 tons is going to do anything against wolverine. Think about what you said, 20 tons. I dont think so, it would make any difference as him having 10 ton strength, he would still get killed.
Read the fight again. Wolverine wasn't holding back. He may have tried to talk during the match but at the outset he made it quite clear he wasn't playing again.
Originally posted by carver9
On almost every encounter i have seen spiderman and wolverine in, spiderman always seems to fear wolverine, ALWAYS. Like I told you before, show me a scan where spiderman beats wolverine and I can double yours. Spiderman cannot beat wolverine and he just got the h*** beaten out of him by cap and gotten beaten up by silver samarai and also gotten manhandled and defeated by daredevil, he cant fight characters who is marked as some of the best fighters in marvel. Do me a favor, name one of spiderman supervillians that has fighting experience and fighting skills on par with cap. I can name at least 5 or 6 people on wolverine enemy list. I bet you cant find noone.
Always? Didn't fear him in Marvel Knights when he punched him off the tower. Didn't fear him in Marvel Team Up when webbed him up and left him? Should I go on or do you get the message?
Black Tarantula I & II. There. I found two. Pointless agrument really. Just cause someone doesn't fight a certain kind of villian doesn't mean they can't beat them. Especially if they greatly outclass them. Do you think Silver Surfer would have problems with ninjas?
Originally posted by carver9
Like I said before spiderman is a good character and he impress me everyday but beating wolverine, it aint happening. He needs another upgrade for anything like that to happen. A better fight though would be wolverine vs black tarantula.
He doesn't need another upgrade. He did just fine without any and would beat Wolverine now.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Always? Didn't fear him in Marvel Knights when he punched him off the tower.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Didn't fear him in Marvel Team Up when webbed him up and left him? Should I go on or do you get the message?
Originally posted by capt it up
He never punched him off the tower. It was never shown. Whatr we do know is that spiderman attacka laughing wolverine and it wa simplied he through logan. Logan was perfectly fine.Actaully he did not fear him persay, but he was worried. He also attack a talkign wolverine again which is unusable evidence.
Both of you are wrong in with that comic. Wolverine was trying to kill a child that continuously shot wolverine back onto the other side of the roof and spiderman the entire time was trying to tell the kid to stop because he would send wolverine into a berserker rage and it wouldnt be no stopping him. In that book spiderman showed fear of wolverine and the entire time wolverine wasnt even attacking spiderman, he had his attention on someone that was continuously shooting him and wolverine was about to attack him spiderman came BEHIND him and shot him up with web leaving wolverine to hang and webbed off with the boy.
I opened the book and it did state that daredevil was at 7 and cap was at 8 along with spiderman BUT they had wolverine superior to the both of them.
Also, this is not for you capt it up, but spiderman is a street level character, why bring up the silver surfer when he fight cosmic beings. dont make sense to me. So you really think that wolverine was trying to kill spiderman. I'll be back with some scans of the wolverine vs spiderman fights and you will see who is superior.
The SHIELD threat ratings aren't just based on power; and with that out of the way, of course Wolverine is a higher threat then Spider-man. Consider the intel Wolverine has on SHIELD as well as countless clandestine government operations, he could bring SHIELD down to its knees if he wanted and destroy the careers of almost every major politician with dirty hands. Wolverine is nothing to be scoffed at, if he started cashing in favours and using his resources to their fullest (the guy has an inter-deminsional back account with firms in every alternate dimension/reality!) he'd be a force to be reckoned with. I have to assume that SHIELDs threat ratings are on a logarithmic scale because Wolverine is a bigger threat to SHIELD then anyone who's name isn't Nick Fury... combined.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The SHIELD threat ratings aren't just based on power; and with that out of the way, of course Wolverine is a higher threat then Spider-man. Consider the intel Wolverine has on SHIELD as well as countless clandestine government operations, he could bring SHIELD down to its knees if he wanted and destroy the careers of almost every major politician with dirty hands. Wolverine is nothing to be scoffed at, if he started cashing in favours and using his resources to their fullest (the guy has an inter-deminsional back account with firms in every alternate dimension/reality!) he'd be a force to be reckoned with. I have to assume that SHIELDs threat ratings are on a logarithmic scale because Wolverine is a bigger threat to SHIELD then anyone who's name isn't Nick Fury... combined.
Actually that was the rating of his powerlevel because after they gave the score of his power they gave a description of the powers that they have. They didnt give him the score because of the threat that he is at shield because why would they give spiderman a 8, he isnt a threat to shield, especially at a level 8, dont make sense to me. They gave hulk a 10+ and that wasnt because hulk knows things about shield, its because of what he can do and what he is capable of, so i disagree with you on that one even though when I read majority of your post you know what you be talking about. Why would they give wolverine a extra point because of the things that he knows about shield.
Without him knowing all the things about shield, due to his stealth and experience and senses, he could kill all of them if he wants. They actually stated during the powerlevel introduction, these are the exact words 'wolverine is screwed up in the head. A lot of people have tried to take control of him making him there own personal weapon and who wouldnt be a better choice. Thats why Im going to stay close to logan because when I need someone to get a job done, he is the person that I will go to."
I will be putting up some scans in a minute of something.
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Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Is anyone going to answer about the five foot trapeze I keep hearing about?
There is no five foot trapeze. The five estimate was about the distance Nightcrawler was above the fire pit in the panel that came directly before Wolverine cutting his steel catcher's mitt out of the wall, not the distance from trapeze to the ground. The trapeze was point A, the fire pit is point C and five foot estimate would be point B (as he had already began his decent!)... which, shockingly, is inbetween both point A and point C.
Christ, I can believe that need to be explained... the panel was referenced several times, how is that Spider-man fans have so much trouble fallowing a train of thought?
Originally posted by srankmissingninSHIELD probably has a a dozen+ telepaths that could easily nullify these threats... threat ratings don't really mean anything.
The SHIELD threat ratings aren't just based on power; and with that out of the way, of course Wolverine is a higher threat then Spider-man. Consider the intel Wolverine has on SHIELD as well as countless clandestine government operations, he could bring SHIELD down to its knees if he wanted and destroy the careers of almost every major politician with dirty hands. Wolverine is nothing to be scoffed at, if he started cashing in favours and using his resources to their fullest (the guy has an inter-deminsional back account with firms in every alternate dimension/reality!) he'd be a force to be reckoned with. I have to assume that SHIELDs threat ratings are on a logarithmic scale because Wolverine is a bigger threat to SHIELD then anyone who's name isn't Nick Fury... combined.