Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
SHIELD probably has a a dozen+ telepaths that could easily nullify these threats... threat ratings don't really mean anything.

Wolverine has level 9 psy blockers on top of his natural resistance (which is pretty high I might add). You need to be a pretty powerful telepath to get into his head with out his permission and considering they had to resort to tech to reverse his Hydra reprogramming, I'm going to say they don't have any telepaths cable of messing with his mind.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has level 9 psy blockers on top of his natural resistance (which is pretty high I might add). You need to be a pretty powerful telepath to get into his head with out his permission and considering they had to resort to tech to reverse his Hydra reprogramming, I'm going to say they don't have any telepaths cable of messing with his mind.

Although the SHIELD telepaths probably suck, I'll give you that.

Originally posted by carver9
Both of you are wrong in with that comic. Wolverine was trying to kill a child that continuously shot wolverine back onto the other side of the roof and spiderman the entire time was trying to tell the kid to stop because he would send wolverine into a berserker rage and it wouldnt be no stopping him. In that book spiderman showed fear of wolverine and the entire time wolverine wasnt even attacking spiderman, he had his attention on someone that was continuously shooting him and wolverine was about to attack him spiderman came BEHIND him and shot him up with web leaving wolverine to hang and webbed off with the boy.

Spider-Man was obviously scared for the child as Wolverine was about to lose control, but for his personal safety? I don't think so

Originally posted by carver9
I opened the book and it did state that daredevil was at 7 and cap was at 8 along with spiderman BUT they had wolverine superior to the both of them.

Which means nothing cause its a SHIELD dossier. Its how SHIELD ranks them looking at a collective of things such as ruthlessness, training, etc where powers aren't much of a big deal.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, this is not for you capt it up, but spiderman is a street level character, why bring up the silver surfer when he fight cosmic beings. dont make sense to me. So you really think that wolverine was trying to kill spiderman. I'll be back with some scans of the wolverine vs spiderman fights and you will see who is superior.

To prove a point. You seem to think that since a large number of Spider-Man's rogue gallery aren't MA's he won't be effective against them in a fight despite being superior in every physical aspect. Just because a certain character is not your typical rogue gallery doesn't mean you can't bea them.

Besides that wasn't a good point anyway seeing as how Spider-Man has faced his share of martial artists

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is no five foot trapeze. The five estimate was about the distance Nightcrawler was above the fire pit in the panel that came directly before Wolverine cutting his steel catcher's mitt out of the wall, not the distance from trapeze to the ground. The trapeze was point A, the fire pit is point C and five foot estimate would be point B (as he had already began his decent!)... which, shockingly, is inbetween both point A and point C.

Christ, I can believe that need to be explained... the panel was referenced several times, how is that Spider-man fans have so much trouble fallowing a train of thought?

Cause its a ridiculous train? Why is it that Wolverine fans ignore the frames of reference and can't see how stupid and improbable it is for both both Angel and Nightcrawler to be practicing 5 FEET of the ground. Oh, I remember, cause it makes Wolverine look better. Gotcha

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
SHIELD probably has a a dozen+ telepaths that could easily nullify these threats... threat ratings don't really mean anything.

Well Wolverine does have a ****load of implants. Then again Nick Fury didn't seem to have to have tooo much difficulting erasing his memory in Secret War

Originally posted by marvelprince
Cause its a ridiculous train? Why is it that Wolverine fans ignore the frames of reference and can't see how stupid and improbable it is for both both Angel and Nightcrawler to be practicing 5 FEET of the ground. Oh, I remember, cause it makes Wolverine look better. Gotcha

Do you have a learning disability? I'd really rather not patronize and insult you if there is something actually wrong with you cognitive abilities.

Point A - The height of the trapeze

Point B - The panel where Nightcrawler shown above the fire pit

Point C - The ground/fire pit.

Point A is where the trapeze and Angel are located, and is around the height of a regulation basketball net. Point A and B aren't the same point in time and they aren't the same height. Gravity is pulling Nightcrawler towards the ground and he is now between point A and C.

All that was in the post you just quoted... how did you misunderstand it?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you have a learning disability? I'd really rather not patronize and insult you if there is something actually wrong with you cognitive abilities.

Point A - The height of the trapeze

Point B - The panel where Nightcrawler shown above the fire pit

Point C - The ground/fire pit.

Point A is where the trapeze and Angel are located, and is around the height of a regulation basketball net. Point A and B aren't the same point in time and they aren't the same height. Gravity is pulling Nightcrawler towards the ground and he is now between point A and C.

All that was in the post you just quoted... how did you misunderstand it?

Well since you feel the need to drag deductive reasoning into this lets try this. Angel and the trapeze are at one point. Angel knocked Nightcrawler off the trapeze. Can't we...I dont know...assume that Nightcrawler started out and point A and fell through to point C.

But my point is that you're wrong. Clearly the trapeze is not the a mere 10 ft in the air. Look at the scan again. From when we first get a shot of Kurt falling we can see the firepit and its entirety yet when he lands we catch only a section of the pit. Simple perspection tells us that the pit is a fair distance below Nightcrawler. I'd think first before I try to insult someones cognitive abilities in the future

Could someone give me the issue # of that UXM?

Uncanny X-Men 139

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/uxm139pg03.jpg

Angel is 6' and Wolverine 5'3, that trapeze can only be so high for those heights to work, and 12 feet is generous.

And once more (listen this time) the five foot estemate and the height of the trapeze ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. The panel in which Nightcrawler is depicted falling into the fire pit is about half way down the decent... you can even see Angel (who is still at the height of the trapeze) flying above him in that very same panel!

Originally posted by capt it up
just to clear soem thing up in the MK fight logan clearly let spiderman hit him becuase he felt bad.

Thats fair enough, (but the punches were still effective, not very but they were)but I'm not saying that this will win Spidey the match but Spidey had no trouble still bouncing around attacking Wolverine even after the stab, and he actualy only passed out early due to the "Other" arc that had him pass out around any real physical stress, after all remeber when scarlet Spider fought venom he just put a web bandage on the cut and kept on fighting, untill he passed out from the pain a few hours later (maybe an hour)

Originally posted by carver9
Both of you are wrong in with that comic. Wolverine was trying to kill a child that continuously shot wolverine back onto the other side of the roof and spiderman the entire time was trying to tell the kid to stop because he would send wolverine into a berserker rage and it wouldnt be no stopping him. In that book spiderman showed fear of wolverine and the entire time wolverine wasnt even attacking spiderman, he had his attention on someone that was continuously shooting him and wolverine was about to attack him spiderman came BEHIND him and shot him up with web leaving wolverine to hang and webbed off with the boy.

I opened the book and it did state that daredevil was at 7 and cap was at 8 along with spiderman BUT they had wolverine superior to the both of them.

Also, this is not for you capt it up, but spiderman is a street level character, why bring up the silver surfer when he fight cosmic beings. dont make sense to me. So you really think that wolverine was trying to kill spiderman. I'll be back with some scans of the wolverine vs spiderman fights and you will see who is superior.

Spider-Man wasn't afraid of Wolverine he was afraid what Wolverine would do to the kid if he got his hands on him, you could even go as far to say he was afraid he couldn't stop Wolverine from attacking the kid, but he did anyway, even if it was a cheap shot, but even if technically it was a non fight it does help prove a point that even though webbing is slower than a bullet Logan can't dodge it easily otherwise surely he would have got out of the way. Though it would be harder if they were both going at it in an all out fight.

And in the fight maybe at one point Logan was trying to kill Spidey after all he had his claws out for almost the entire fight hell right at the start of the fight he shoved them in the ground trying to hit Spidey but by the end he just wanted to talk him down (after Spidey knackerd himself after realising brute force isnt the way to go)

As for good fighters, even though he isn't spectacular you have Kraven, then there is Kingpin, Black Tarantula, there was also Delilah, Silver Sable, Black Cat, hell there was even that Mexican wrestler in FNSM who wolverine stated something like "He is the best fighter I'v seen" or it was he had the best style...anyway I assume he was only speaking of wrestling anyway.

There thats whole bunch of skilled fighters, and thats not even couting members of others rouges galleries he may have fought.

Originally posted by capt it up
He never punched him off the tower. It was never shown. Whatr we do know is that spiderman attacka laughing wolverine and it wa simplied he through logan. Logan was perfectly fine.

I hate when people use that as evidence, it was only meant as a flipping joke and now fans are fighting over it as a feat, and besides it gives Wolverine a better showing for surviving the fall than it does Spidey, except that he through him through "Unbreakable" glass.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Uncanny X-Men 139

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/uxm139pg03.jpg

Angel is 6' and Wolverine 5'3, that trapeze can only be so high for those heights to work, and 12 feet is generous.

And once more (listen this time) the five foot estemate and the height of the trapeze ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. The panel in which Nightcrawler is depicted falling into the fire pit is about half way down the decent... you can even see Angel (who is still at the height of the trapeze) flying above him in that very same panel!

Thats my point. IF we see Angel in the air and we know that Angel was the one who accidentally KO'ed Kurt we can in fact include that they started out at the same height otherwise Kurt just knocked himself out in midair.

Originally posted by Sparkz
I hate when people use that as evidence, it was only meant as a flipping joke and now fans are fighting over it as a feat, and besides it gives Wolverine a better showing for surviving the fall than it does Spidey, except that he through him through "Unbreakable" glass.

Take it easy. If you looked at where I brought it up it was only an example to show that Spider-Man isn't always afraid when having to face Wolverine.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Take it easy. If you looked at where I brought it up it was only an example to show that Spider-Man isn't always afraid when having to face Wolverine.

I am taking it easy just that it annoys me when people try to use it as evidence on Spider-man beating Logan lol

Originally posted by Sparkz
I am taking it easy just that it annoys me when people try to use it as evidence on Spider-man beating Logan lol

But it was a non fight. How can anyone score that as a win?

Originally posted by marvelprince
But it was a non fight. How can anyone score that as a win?

People still do though do they not.

Originally posted by marvelprince
:rollseyes: But yet he couldn't react in time to stop the blows

really, there's ot much compelling evidence to say that wolverine had no choice but so sit there and get hit...
I mean, hell in that very fight wolverine dodges spiderman's blows.

Originally posted by marvelprince
And you denying it doesn't it make it fake.

lol it's not the denial that makes it untrue, it's the FACT. there's nothing there that says spiderman was moving faster in one fight than in the other aside from wolverine's reaction.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Because your point doesn't make sense. Of course Wolverine can slash Thing if Ben has him pinned to the ground. Why? Cause Wolverine is faster. Wolverine can't however do that to Spider-Man, cause as we saw in the fight, Spider-Man was going too dast for him. He needed to wait till Spider-Man hesistated before he got his opening.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I say managed cause he didn't have the opportunity before. He had to bide his time.

Originally posted by marvelprince
OMG! Web on his arm once and we discount the uselessness of the webbing, despite seeing how effective the webbing is against Wolverine in future encounters. How silly of me :/

actually it is a bit, you tried to imply spidey didn't use his webs.. but that's not true.. he DID.
what happened after that is another point alltogether but he did use them... you were wrong.

as for these "other encounters" the webbings proved useful ONCE in a non-fight, that's it.. spiderman's also used webbing during 2 combative situations to no effect.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Huh?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Agree to disagree here. I can't accept that Wolverine is in Spider-Man's league in terms of speed. Just below, maybe, but not close enough to the point where it won't play a difference.

lol, well I disagree.. fair enough though.

Originally posted by marvelprince
He's not gonna maintain a gap thats huge enough to maintain a difference? Did you switch Spider-Man for some other slow character? I'd say in pretty much all of their encounters speed has played something of a difference.

aside from secret wars, and his non-fight/webbing in mtu how has it?

(since we're still on the fence for the graveyard fight we'll leave that one alone..)

it didn't play a huge difference in their new avengers spat, or on the rooftop, or when logan's bashed his head into a tree (non-fight I know), or when logan kicked him in the groin... so why would the two other encounters take presedence?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Thats called facts.

😂

hardly... lol, that's more like spiderman bragging his ass off..

Originally posted by marvelprince
If you're really gonna argue that Spider-Man is confindent in his abilities then I think you really need to dust off some of those Spider-Man comics you claim to have.

Originally posted by marvelprince
So that pictures that sow him repeatedly putting his fist in Wolverine's face before Wolverine can counter is what now...donuts? :/

what? 😕

again the only way that would be a clear indication of spiderman's superior speed over wolverine is if wolverine wasn't indicated to be taking that with a smile, and if it wasn't indicated that he was holding back like crazy.... and if it was a feet of speed that put wolverine leagues below spiderman in the first place. 😬

Originally posted by Sparkz
Can't we leave this Graveyard fight alone after all neither character was fighting at their best, Spider-man was a nervous wreck and moving slower than usual and not even using webbing. And Wolverine was cutting him into shishcabob in his "weakened" state and going easy on him. (At least to the degree he wasn't going out for blood)

punk

Has wolverine ever been knocked out by someone Spiderman's level before?

Someone below it actually... 😛

whom? when? under what cirumstances?