Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by jinzin
he's crappy because he not only lost, but he got flat out owned.. he's also been EASILY defeated by shang chi, and a third tier MA like Moon Knight.. He doesn't have any feats that portray him to be anywhere near even Kitty Prides level of skill much less guys like Cap and Wolverine.

He got flat out owned because he's inferior to Spiderman in every single way except fighting skill, logic dictates that he stood no chance.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not sure why you think their actions or luck would change so drastically on the forums as to negate every point those feats make.
If we're to believe that the only reason spiderman is getting hit is because it's in his personality type (a logic which I've heard but don't personally subscribe to), then again I defect to the fact that CIS isn't left out of these debates. The reason why I bring them up, is because when something happens, and happens often then I think it has some level of validity in these debates, I know that you havea tendancy to go with "it's crap because it's crap" but I disagree with that, and I disagree with you when you discard feats of highly skilled MA's doing well against Spiderman based on popularity alone.

Originally posted by jinzin
There's a difference between Ennis DECIDING how Logan reacts to pain in ONE issue and Spiderman by and large having problems with highly skilled MA's consistently in fights.

This is what happens when you go to the bars, tie one on and post at KMC. You get sucked into this pernicious thread. Damn the booze! durfist

Spiderman has no way of beating wolverine besides his webbing. His speed isnt that much of a huge factor in this fight due to the fact that they could be around the same speed. His strength mean jack in this fight and his agility means nothing in this fight because wolverine is agile also (not as agile as spiderman) and beast and puck is more agile than wolverine but they would lose to him in a battle.

The only thing that is really keeping this battle going is the fact that spiderman has a spider sense that really dont help him in any of his battle. Anyone that spiderman fight, they land licks on him. Yes it does give him the benefit to dodge most attacks but a skilled fighter has the ability to circle around his spider sense.

Do you all not understand that all wolverine needs is one good lick in which he is capable of getting. Much lesser opponents has hit spiderman and laid him out. When silver samurai knock spiderman the hell out, do you think spiderman intentionally let that happened, no. His spider sense went off but silver samurai was to get and landed a blow, just like ever top tier martial artist can do.

The only reason that i give spiderman SOME wins is due to the fact that he has webbing, if not for that, this fight would be wolverines fight everytime. Its a possibility that spiderman might get lucky and web wolverine up but its a stronger possibility that wolverine could make it to spiderman and put a set of claws in his chest again.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman has no way of beating wolverine besides his webbing. His speed isnt that much of a huge factor in this fight due to the fact that they could be around the same speed. His strength mean jack in this fight and his agility means nothing in this fight because wolverine is agile also (not as agile as spiderman) and beast and puck is more agile than wolverine but they would lose to him in a battle.

The only thing that is really keeping this battle going is the fact that spiderman has a spider sense that really dont help him in any of his battle. Anyone that spiderman fight, they land licks on him. Yes it does give him the benefit to dodge most attacks but a skilled fighter has the ability to circle around his spider sense.

Do you all not understand that all wolverine needs is one good lick in which he is capable of getting. Much lesser opponents has hit spiderman and laid him out. When silver samurai knock spiderman the hell out, do you think spiderman intentionally let that happened, no. His spider sense went off but silver samurai was to get and landed a blow, just like ever top tier martial artist can do.

The only reason that i give spiderman SOME wins is due to the fact that he has webbing, if not for that, this fight would be wolverines fight everytime. Its a possibility that spiderman might get lucky and web wolverine up but its a stronger possibility that wolverine could make it to spiderman and put a set of claws in his chest again.

And So does Spider Sense since Low Showings (IE PIS) is barred.

I think I'd go with Logan.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think I'd go with Logan.

[QUOTE=9188328]Originally posted by Blight
[B]Haven't YOU been quoted as saying that you don't take the weak feats? Only the strong ones? [B][QUOTE]

I dont..... think so.. 😕

I take high end and low end feats both, but I find that a character's merit lies in what they're able to accomplish more often, if the low end feats are overshadowed by the high end ones well...

[QUOTE=9188328]Originally posted by Blight
[B]Because most of Spiderman's career he doesn't take his fights seriously.. When he DOES he's nearly unstoppable. [B][QUOTE]

I don't know about that, I'd say that his jovial attitude, trash talk, and jokes, are not only a way of downplaying the reality of the situation to help him keep himself cool, but also, an expert way of getting into the heads of his opponents.

As a side note: Do you think there's merit behind the fact that he said he was giving it all he had to fight Wolverine himself?

And, it's also note worthy to consider that in many of the fights where he does get serious or bloodlusted against these MA's.. He loses.. 😐

For example: DD, Cap, and White Ninja ALL beat Peter when he stopped fooling around.

[QUOTE=9188328]Originally posted by Blight
[B]This is a bloodlust fight 😉 [B][QUOTE]

But it's also in character. Spiderman sucks at bloodlusted fights anyways.

double post sorry.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He got flat out owned because he's inferior to Spiderman in every single way except fighting skill, logic dictates that he stood no chance.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I never said it would negate every point made, but the point of the matter is comics aren't made to accurately portray matches. They're meant to tell a story. Characters will pretty much always fight to a stalemate or an inconclusive fight, because that's how comics work. Spiderman doesn't even fight the same against guys like Cap (who he idolizes) and Logan (who he really doesn't bother with unless he insults his wife), as he would against someone of Venom, Carnage's, or Toxin's level. Spiderman won't use the environment or hit the same or any of that. It's just how it is. I don't have a tendency to go with "it's crap just because" because I more than anyone else will explain my point on any position based on fighting, strength, or any other logical basis. I know the supporters on Wolverine's side like the "I like it because it makes my character look good, and I'll ignore what doesn't. Because when it all comes down to it, featwars are just pointless circular arguments that don't conclude to anything because the fight on the forum hasn't happened the same way.

See my problem with this is that it sets up that the characters lives are not related to the basis of what they can do, but I feel like the characters are acredited by what they've shown they can do during their lives. This is why I've always questioned your ratinale on what you use as a standard of evidence. To me feats make the character not the other way around.

Of course Spiderman has to change his gameplan to fight guys like Carnage and Venom. He doesn't have a Spider sense, they're stronger than him, and have better range options. to be honest those fights are less like the orum fights than his fights with streets, in his fights with symbiotes he always has to defect to a plot device, or help or something.
While the fight hasn't happened the same way it would here various points still stand, his Spider sense doesn't get better, speed faster, strength stronger, he's not some automaton, he's still Peter under the mask and indeed the rules of CIS and PIS are directly related to comics making them valid as is.

Originally posted by jinzin

But it's also in character. Spiderman sucks at bloodlusted fights anyways.

Originally posted by Badabing
It's my opinion on the showings. Spider-Man has torn people new a-holes enough to suggest that he holds back in his lower showings. He's always been a stud when he's gone all out in battle. Now leave me alone! 😠 😛

He went all out against Wolverine, Wolverine had him dead to rights.
He went all out against DD, DD Koed him.
He went all out against the White Ninja, WN made him run away.
He went all out against the Hulk, he busted up his hands to the point where he collapsed.
He went all out against Venom, he got suffocated and symbiote thrashed 3 panels later.

Originally posted by Badabing
This is what happens when you go to the bars, tie one on and post at KMC. You get sucked into this pernicious thread. Damn the booze! durfist

Originally posted by jinzin
No he hasn't..

He went all out against Wolverine, Wolverine had him dead to rights.
He went all out against DD, DD Koed him.
He went all out against the White Ninja, WN made him run away.
He went all out against the Hulk, he busted up his hands to the point where he collapsed.
He went all out against Venom, he got suffocated and symbiote thrashed 3 panels later.

Originally posted by jinzin

God I wish I was drunk that would at least be a good excuse

How have you been?

Originally posted by Badabing
And Spidey has beaten all of them...including Hulk so meh. Now, leave me alone. I'm not getting sucked into this thread. NEVER!!!!! 😛

He's never beaten Venom straight up.
Or Wolverine.
White Ninja basically beat himself.
Wasn't the Hulk thing when Electro was distorting the images on the T.V?

Originally posted by Badabing
You post here sober?! Good God man. Get a drink.

How have you been?

My brother nearly died in a bike crash.
My mom had cancerous cells operated on in surgery.
My dad and I got into a fight where he kicked me out of the family house.

so yeah, rough couple of weeks.

Sorry to hear that jinzin, hope everything gets better soon

when it rainsit pours I suppose. Everything's gonna turn out okay though. Thanks Mungi. 🙂

I'll keep everybody in my Prayers Jin.

thank you.

Originally posted by jinzin

Things have been harsh, but they're clearing up.

My brother nearly died in a bike crash.
My mom had cancerous cells operated on in surgery.
My dad and I got into a fight where he kicked me out of the family house.

so yeah, rough couple of weeks.

To hell with debating for now. Sorry bro I really hope **** works out. If it helps ive been through some of that stuff you mentioned so I can understand what you're going through. Anyway I hope things work out.

I agree, hope you get better. Though some choose to stay here to keep themselves occupied.

yeah that's pretty much exactly why I've been myandering on here... just trying to focus on something else, yknow... not dwell on the negative..... I can't even go to MMA practice because I was getting too emotional... so debating it is..

thanks guys... i really appreciate the support.