i agree with people who say logan wins via majority(9/10) , 1 hit with the claws and it's all over
however i disagree with people saying they are equally fast
Logan 'appears' to keep up due to skill, we see the normal human MA type ie shang chi,bucky,daredevil dodge evade gunfire due to thier 'skills' and logan is one of the most skilled if not the most skilled mofos on the marvel earth.
i remember a real world example of expert samurai's slashing targets so fast people analysing him were amazed
spiderman who has superhuman strength class 10 (minimum imho), and is not overly muscluar to restruict movement can leap and dash with minimal effort and is superhumaly fast due to his superhuman powers
whereas logan's speed is a source of his 'extensive training',his healing factor which grants him some degree of superhuman strength.
in a race SM will win 10/10 times displaying more 'raw speed'
Originally posted by SamZED
Cant remember the issue but sure youve read it. The one with the fat evil mutant kid. Logan admitted he went bersek and was going for the kill.
Kirkman's Marvel-team up or something? I actually haven't read it 😮 I've just seen a few scans (cursed webs...) and know more or less what was going on.
Originally posted by SamZED
I know that, but still dont buy that he was holding back. He shoved his claws deep into the ground while trying to gutt Pete. SM was basically a nobody to him at that point and constantly got him into trouble. He had no other options and said so himself.
Somehow I never really noticed that part with him stabbing the ground. He could be aiming for his shoulders uhuh Which would kill someone with that low dmg soak anyway, but...
Originally posted by SamZED
lol ok that's true, he does. But that wasnt the reason he stayed down. He was just about to attack when Pete pinned him to the tombstone and kept punching non-stop. Logan smiling is what made Parker stop fighting and Logan knew itd work.
And you think he wouldn't stop if Logan weren't smiling? C'mon now. He'd end up just like Scavenger or tire out himself.
Originally posted by SamZED
He didnt seem to mind after they got back to the present. You know.. after they became blood brothers and all.😈
Didn't you catch the scene at the end when he looks at his hand? No scar here. Sure, he has hf, but imo that was supposed to tell the readers that nothing really has changed between the two 😎 Everything's the way it's been before the mini, basically. At least that's how I understood it 😛
Originally posted by SamZED
Why does it matter? An aged and exausted Pete was just standing there right next to him. How is that impressive? Not to mention he was most likely aiming for the throat. The guy was REALLY pissed.
It matters because Pete really badly needed a shave. Clean cut means they were closer to the throat, therefore making (doesn't look like he did at all, tbh) evading feat less impressive.
I'd be inclined to believe that, but it seems like he wanted him to hear him out first.
Originally posted by SamZED
Ahem.. nooooo.. 😮
That's what I thought. There's a reason Spidey leaves villains like Billy Russo to the profesionals 😎
Originally posted by SamZED
Its new avengers annual 2 I think. But not entirely sure tbh. Ok maybe not 50 not the point. Still superhuman.
Yeah, I was going off-topic. You just got me interested with that number. New Avengers annual? This one? Don't think I read it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They fought in Madripoor and Logan was known as "Patch" there. X-Men were believed to be dead.A kinda dumb way to protect your identity, I know.
And yet despite how ridiculous that was (and how annoying it was he had to keep mentioning why he's wearing the patch EVERY.SINGLE.GOD.DAMN.ISSUE!!!!!!), those stories from the beginning of v1 are a ton better than most of the crap in v2.
Originally posted by SamZEDHe is still in character though (Venom and Carnage are more dangerous too). 😛
Cant remember the issue but sure youve read it. The one with the fat evil mutant kid. Logan admitted he went bersek and was going for the kill.I know that, but still dont buy that he was holding back. He shoved his claws deep into the ground while trying to gutt Pete. SM was basically a nobody to him at that point and constantly got him into trouble. He had no other options and said so himself.
lol ok that's true, he does. But that wasnt the reason he stayed down. He was just about to attack when Pete pinned him to the tombstone and kept punching non-stop. Logan smiling is what made Parker stop fighting and Logan knew itd work.
He didnt seem to mind after they got back to the present. You know.. after they became blood brothers and all.😈
Why does it matter? An aged and exausted Pete was just standing there right next to him. How is that impressive? Not to mention he was most likely aiming for the throat. The guy was REALLY pissed.
Ahem.. nooooo.. 😮
Its new avengers annual 2 I think. But not entirely sure tbh. Ok maybe not 50 not the point. Still superhuman.
True. But when it comes to people like Venom and Carnage he usually doesnt play around.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYou call yourself a Wolverine fan.😒
Kirkman's Marvel-team up or something? I actually haven't read it 😮 I've just seen a few scans (cursed webs...) and know more or less what was going on.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWPfft.. ridiculous. Spider-man has a superpower to ignore pain. They actually stated that in one of the old books, back when it was "keen" for heroes to develope new powers every few issues.
Somehow I never really noticed that part with him stabbing the ground. He could be aiming for his shoulders uhuh Which would kill someone with that low dmg soak anyway, but...
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWEventually he probaby would've. But it was the smiling that got to him.
And you think he wouldn't stop if Logan weren't smiling? C'mon now. He'd end up just like Scavenger or tire out himself.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW😠 Dont you dare try and take that away from me! He was in a bar trying to get drunk because he missed Pete already! 😠
Didn't you catch the scene at the end when he looks at his hand? No scar here. Sure, he has hf, but imo that was supposed to tell the readers that nothing really has changed between the two 😎 Everything's the way it's been before the mini, basically. At least that's how I understood it 😛
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWMeh the beard looked bad on him anyway.
It matters because Pete really badly needed a shave. Clean cut means they were closer to the throat, therefore making (doesn't look like he did at all, tbh) evading feat less impressive.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSpider-man has defeated the enforcers on more than one occasion. You hear? The enforcers!😒
That's what I thought. There's a reason Spidey leaves villains like Billy Russo to the profesionals 😎
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWJust checked. Yep, that's the one. Check it out. A good isse. Pretty sure there's a dodging feat that's already posed in the Wolverine respect thread.
Yeah, I was going off-topic. You just got me interested with that number. New Avengers annual? This one? Don't think I read it.
Originally posted by SamZED
You call yourself a Wolverine fan.😒
Oh, it's worse than you think. I'm Wolverine and Kirkman fan who hasn't read MTU run 😂
Originally posted by SamZED
Pfft.. ridiculous. Spider-man has a superpower to ignore pain. They actually stated that in one of the old books, back when it was "keen" for heroes to develope new powers every few issues.
Can he also ignore the blood loss? Like in that sparring incident? 😄
Originally posted by SamZED
Eventually he probaby would've. But it was the smiling that got to him.
Yeah, because he saw on his own eyes how ineffective his blows were.
Originally posted by SamZED
😠 Dont you dare try and take that away from me! He was in a bar trying to get drunk because he missed Pete already! 😠
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Originally posted by SamZED
Meh the beard looked bad on him anyway.
I had no idea he even could grow any facial hair. Always considered him a poor man's elf without wisdom or any skills.
Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man has defeated the enforcers on more than one occasion. You hear? The enforcers!😒
It's sad how lame they are. Even their modern version in non-canon with that boxer with diamond brass-knucles was a joke.
Ox had one impressive appearance in Daredevil though, I think... when he went all Hulk on the city... Hulk-lite that is.
Originally posted by SamZED
Just checked. Yep, that's the one. Check it out. A good isse. Pretty sure there's a dodging feat that's already posed in the Wolverine respect thread.
OK, will do. Wolverine stabs Thunderball and Piledriver in that issue?
Originally posted by SamZEDDum dum convinced me Wolvie would win(like srankmissing changed my mind about Captain A vs Dstroke), but I'll never say Wolvie is as fast or faster than spider. I'm sure dumdum with write me an angry pm with wolvie speed feats. lol. We refuse to go against each other in threads via old school respect. Anyway, he's faster because of the spide sense. Without it, they are equal or wolvi may be a hair faster because of his martial arts. SSless has inferior speed feats, in fact, he has none tmk. As for webbing, it's overrated and inconsistent.
I give Wolverine the majority as well, its the speed advanatage that I keep arguing about. And Logan only managed to tag Spider-man with his claws once out of like dozen attempts. During a sparring when they werent supposed to go all out. There's one other enouncter where Logan hit Spider-man, but Parker thought he's fighting some street thug idiot dressed as Wolverine and was cought off guard. That's it.
Originally posted by long pig
Dum dum convinced me Wolvie would win(like srankmissing changed my mind about Captain A vs Dstroke
By this, do you mean you were siding with Cap, and he changed your mind when he started listing all the reasons Slade can't win? 😛
In most of the DS threads I remember (There was a long one with DS vs Wolverine), he downplayed Slade a LOT. I mean, seriously tore into him, trying to discredit every feat, downplay every high end feat, and bolster every low end one...
Originally posted by cdtm
In most of the DS threads I remember (There was a long one with DS vs Wolverine), he downplayed Slade a LOT. I mean, seriously tore into him, trying to discredit every feat, downplay every high end feat, and bolster every low end one...
bydown play do you mean point out which feats were not cannon? Because that not down playing anything, that stating facts which were being misrepresented.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
bydown play do you mean point out which feats were not cannon? Because that not down playing anything, that stating facts which were being misrepresented.
Oh, he brought up good points too.
But bringing up things like common street thugs beating him, or having problems with Batman? Usually, we say that's a bad showing and move on, not try and make an argument around low ends...
I'll grant some pro DS fans can be as fanboyish as any fanbase, so maybe it's a backlash thing...
Originally posted by cdtm
Oh, he brought up good points too.But bringing up things like common street thugs beating him, or having problems with Batman? Usually, we say that's PIS and move on, not try and make an argument around low ends...
Common thug refference was not pis, it was attributed directly to the beating batman gave DS in his first lose to him. Which Srank directly stated. Niether event in the least was pis.
What level do you see DS on,?
Originally posted by cdtm
Around Cap level overall, with a higher damage soak and lower overall offensive capability.I wouldn't remotely think to argue he could tag Flash or do what he did in Identity Crisis...
DS heals faster, but his damage soak is not better. He been taken down by far less the capt has many times.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Batman would give capt problems as well. So I unsure why you think Batman giving Slade problem is pis.DS heals faster, but his damage soak is not better. He been taken down by far less the capt has many times.
Well, when he fought Cassandra Cain the first time, the only thing keeping him in the game was his ability to take punishment.
IMO, if that had been Batman, he'd have more problems...
Originally posted by cdtm
Well, when he fought Cassandra Cain the first time, the only thing keeping him in the game was his ability to take punishment.IMO, if that had been Batman, he'd have more problems...
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont recall that. I recall Cass stating she had hard time reading slade because he a meta. Also recall it being implied that slade held back against cass. I never remember slade ability to take punisherment being state as the reason for his ability to remain in a fight with cass.
It wasn't stated, but Cass was landing some good hits, and having little effect. (For example, an elbow solidly to the chest, which means something coming from someone with Cass's striking power..)
It was a short fight, but Cass got in some good licks.
Originally posted by cdtm
It wasn't stated, but Cass was landing some good hits, and having little effect. (For example, an elbow solidly to the chest, which means something coming from someone with Cass's striking power..)It was a short fight, but Cass got in some good licks.
What I meant about srank making of think diff about cap v DS, is I thought he was insulting DS by saying they were close in powersets. At the time, I over read cap so I assumed cap was weak. And since DS is clearly above peak human, he was above Cap. Then I read tons of cap.....and that ****er is about as peak human as I am. NOTHING about him is below mid meta. He's superhuman in everyway no matter what his bio says. THAT'S what he changed my mind about. I still think DS is a good bit faster, prob a hair quicker thinker and has better healing. Cap is stronger maybe a better fighter. Anyway, I still think DS would win, but mainly due to uber weapons. And only 6 outta 10. And true, srank does down play DS's feats. The best example was when it took hundreds and hundreds of people to carry a huge MANY ton metal rope. DS grabbed it like nothing and ran with it then jumped 10 feet in the air in the ocean and swam 100 feet down with it. Srank said: "Well, most of the people carrying looked like kids or were sick!"