Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The one from way back in 05?Agility making someone look faster doesn't make sense,he has to have the speed and agility to move as fast as he does.
Why does it not make sense? Agility would make one look faster. He significantly more agile, not faster.Also it was agility and SS, which does make him look faster and harder to hit. It not simply agility, it the combination.
WOlverine repeatedly had feats and match people at and around spidermans speed level.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganIm not sure about agility but spider sense does not make him look faster, he seemed just as fast without it in heroes for hire and when fought avengers academy.
Why does it not make sense? Agility would make one look faster. He significantly more agile, not faster.Also it was agility and SS, which does make him look faster and harder to hit. It not simply agility, it the combination.WOlverine repeatedly had feats and match people at and around spidermans speed level.
Wolverine and Spiderman are pretty much the same speed wise in terms of combat. If there is a difference it extremely small, as like the difference between the first place finisher in a race and the third. They are very much comparable and in the same speed league. The difference between them is spiderman agility and spidersense. I dont think people understand that if he had some serous speed edge he go untouch which is frankly not the case, because he actual speed is not beyond Wolverine, his other attributes aid in his ability to remain unscathed making him apeare faster then he is, in terms of dodging. I not really sure how anyone could argue that spiderman SS and agility does not make him signicantly harder to hit.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganSorry, man. I disagree with the way you put it. Difference between first place finisher and second is basically no difference at all. And there IS a clear gap. Not a big one, but big enough for Spider-man to stay ahead of his claws in a close quarters combat. Even more so if he chooses to keep distance. As for agility, you know Wolverine's feats better than 99.9% of KMC members. Including his agility feats that can be compared to Nightcrawler's. So its not just it.
Wolverine and Spiderman are pretty much the same speed wise in terms of combat. If there is a difference it extremely small, as like the difference between the first place finisher in a race and the third.
And as for Spider-man's agility, just recently without his spider-sense, he was running circles around Batroc, his army of thugs armed with magic guns, upgraded Scorpion and a bunch of veloceraptors all while staying inside of a cage. And kicking their asses btw. Agility alone wouldnt get him that far.
Originally posted by SamZED
Sorry, man. I disagree with the way you put it. Difference between first place finisher and second is basically no difference at all. And there IS a clear gap. Not a big one, but big enough for Spider-man to stay ahead of his claws in a close quarters combat.
Spiderman able to stay away form his claws becuase of his SS and agility. If current Spiderman faught Wolverine I would bet money he get wrecked with out his SS. Also Spiderman did that once and it was by relying completely on his spidersense.
Originally posted by SamZED
Even more so if he chooses to keep distance. As for agility, you know Wolverine's feats better than 99.9% of KMC members. Including his agility feats that can be compared to Nightcrawler's. So its not just it.
Wolverine has great agility feats, but there is a signifcant difference between his agility and Spidermans (who frnakly the most agile person in Marvel). Unlike with speed this edge can be clearly seen and proven.
Originally posted by SamZED
And as for Spider-man's agility, just recently without his spider-sense, he was running circles around Batroc, his army of thugs armed with magic guns, upgraded Scorpion and a bunch of veloceraptors all while staying inside of a cage. And kicking their asses btw. Agility alone wouldnt get him that far.
You make it sound like by saying Wolverine the same speed or same league of speed I saying spiderman not fast which is far from the case. Yes and with out spidersense spiderman should still being doing all of that, so i dont see your point. I mean wolverine does the same type of crap all the time with out spidersense. So, I am not sure what these examples aid your arguement in the slightest. Also Spiderman agility is extremely effective against groups, more so then even speed.
I mean what do you think the gap between spiderman and his rogues like lizard, vermin, puma ect. in speed is?
Originally posted by SamZEDAnd as for Spider-man's agility, just recently without his spider-sense, he was running circles around Batroc, his army of thugs armed with magic guns, upgraded Scorpion and a bunch of veloceraptors all while staying inside of a cage. And kicking their asses btw. Agility alone wouldnt get him that far.
i haven't really read anything after the loss of the spider sense. reading this post makes me feel like there isn't much of a difference. so is it noticeable(minus the apparent need to use his ss to aim his webbing? lol)
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i haven't really read anything after the loss of the spider sense. reading this post makes me feel like there isn't much of a difference. so is it noticeable(minus the apparent need to use his ss to aim his webbing? lol)
It one of these stupid down grades, which most writers either don't know about or simply choose to ignore the craptastic down grade.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Honestly it going to be ignored by most writers. It not even been hinted at, to my knowledge in any of the team books.It one of these stupid down grades, which most writers either don't know about or simply choose to ignore the craptastic down grade.
i use to be an avid spider-man reader but then the reset put me off and now the ss downgrade really upset me....i mean it's spider-man it's not sentry or superman so it's not like he's so powerful he really needs a down grade
but if there is virtually no change then that makes some of the anger subside lol
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i use to be an avid spider-man reader but then the reset put me off and now the ss downgrade really upset me....i mean it's spider-man it's not sentry or superman so it's not like he's so powerful he really needs a down gradebut if there is virtually no change then that makes some of the anger subside lol
Originally posted by SamZED
Dont get [b]too excited.😄
Power Pack minis ain't canon.
Originally posted by long pig
Does it matter if that DS feat was elseworlds? It's not like he had a power up or anything in the book. It was the same deathstroke. Anyway, wolvie isn't over hyped at all, the guy's a ****ing BEAST. his dudeness is strong.
Wasn't he a cyborg in that universe or something...
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganBecause he's faster.
Why does it not make sense? Agility would make one look faster. He significantly more agile, not faster.Also it was agility and SS, which does make him look faster and harder to hit. It not simply agility, it the combination.WOlverine repeatedly had feats and match people at and around spidermans speed level.
He dodges Carnage who is far faster than Wolverine and he doesn't have SS against him.
A lot of street levelers have "similar feats", they aren't as fast as Spider-Man. Robin isn't close to Spider-Man's speed going all out.
Lifting 100 lbs is similar to lifting 200 lbs, but they aren't the same.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganYes, there is. It's there and its clear that its there. So it is a clear gap. Clear doesn not = huge.
except there is not clear gap.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganWrecked? Sorry, but you'd lose the bet. Spider-man already proved that once he's used to not having it, lack of spider sense only handicaps him if he's being sneak attacked. He is able to stay away from his claws because of his speed. Spider sense only aids but would be next to useless in CQC if he werent also faster. And SM currently does just fine without ss. So unless Logan uses a sneak attack lack of ss wont make much of a difference and he's certanly not getting wrecked.
Spiderman able to stay away form his claws becuase of his SS and agility. If current Spiderman faught Wolverine I would bet money he get wrecked with out his SS.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganYes, only because all his other senses were basically off at that moment, said so himself. Not because it was the only way.
Also Spiderman did that once and it was by relying completely on his spidersense.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugantbh speed edge is clearer to me. There are plenty of streetlevelers with simillar agility but not many with simillar speed.
Wolverine has great agility feats, but there is a signifcant difference between his agility and Spidermans (who frnakly the most agile person in Marvel). Unlike with speed this edge can be clearly seen and proven.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganThat is true. And yet they all attacking at the same time stand a much bigger chance of tagging Spider-man than Wolverine would all by himself in an open area.
None of those guys are Wolverine.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganThose examples were not brought to aid me in the argumewnt. They were a responce to you saying that spider sense makes him seem faster when its not the case as he currently looks as fast as ever even though he doesnt have it.
You make it sound like by saying Wolverine the same speed or same league of speed I saying spiderman not fast which is far from the case. Yes and with out spidersense spiderman should still being doing all of that, so i dont see your point. I mean wolverine does the same type of crap all the time with out spidersense. So, I am not sure what these examples aid your arguement in the slightest. Also Spiderman agility is extremely effective against groups, more so then even speed.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
You make it sound like by saying Wolverine the same speed or same league of speed I saying spiderman not fast which is far from the case.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganMost of them are too inconsistant to say. Hell, Scorpion on-panel was said to be way faster than Captain America. And going by majority of his showings I doubt that.
I mean what do you think the gap between spiderman and his rogues like lizard, vermin, puma ect. in speed is?
Originally posted by BlackZero30xlol. Falling on that car was embarrassing. But even that is no longer a problem. He just needed to get used to not having it. He was already shown dodging supervillains, bullets, an explosion AFTER it went off etc. So.. 😎
i haven't really read anything after the loss of the spider sense. reading this post makes me feel like there isn't much of a difference. so is it noticeable(minus the apparent need to use his ss to aim his webbing? lol)
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThey arent?
Power Pack minis ain't canon.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanklol And I was wondering why does he look so old in the FF books.
No, they're out of mainstream continuity. Alex Powers is a college kid in current 616 universe, but in the Power Pack minis he's still pretty young. If they were canon, then Alex Powers would be one of the few worthy of lifting Mjolnir, too.
