Originally posted by Tha C-Masteryea i don't post in the vs section much anymore because of how it can get nasty due to bias sometimes. but if i do post and feel someone is being bias i normally don't even recognize there post. i just hate arguing something to death with people that just refuse to hear somethings.
What feats?I'm not saying Wolverine is a slug, he isn't. But Spider-Man isn't slower, that's just insane.
Spider-Man also holds back a lionshare of his speed.
Thing is many characters in that environment do those feats, but they aren't faster than a legic superhuman. It's all good though. I like tons of characters, and I don't post here as often as I used to. When I read Logan is faster than Spider-Man I shake my head.
Gorgon has been hit by Wolverine more than Spider-Man has by the claws.
Well bias is everywhere. I don't mind people disagreeing with me, it's just people get obsessed to the point where they have to go on and on about a comic character. Then they troll or act dense. That's what gets annoying. I've just posted here so long now that it all becomes old.
There are a few things worth posting about here and then.
Originally posted by long pigWell that's the thing Logan has taken a multitude more hits in his career than Spider-Man ever has.
What if you used the same debating tactic against wolverine as you are SM and name all the slow pokes who've hit Wolvie? Honestly, who hasn't hit Logan in a fight?
Probably 10 fold or so.
Originally posted by namorsubbyUh yeah they do.. at an embarassing rate to be completely honest. Respect threads are not usually the encompassment of entire careers... that's the pro stuff to Spiderman's cons... which are vast.
Lol, no they dont.Since u probably dont have time to skim through his entire comic history, u might wanna do something more simple like visit a respect thread. Its so crazy when people try to act as if peak humans like cap,dd, etc are virtual on the same level speed/agtility wise. it just shows how little they know of his entire history. They only know of the highly popular encounters hes had with some of those peaks.
Spider-Man is obviously faster than Wolverine, their entire history being accounted for. He's also obviously stronger.
That said, I'm on record a couple times saying that Wolverine takes a majority in this fight. That should really end this discussion, entertaining as the thread has been. Yes, I'm that definitive.
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Originally posted by carver9If we use that kind of consistency we should assume that Daredevil and Cap should be able to take Logan down with their punches alone. They never failed to damage him in the past and Cap's hits were never shown as useless against Wolverine. But since we DO know that he can take a combo from Hulk and walk away we dismiss all those Cap/DD instance. Same goes for Spider-man's speed. The things he's done with his speed, and you're gonna convince me that him getting hit by Ox or Sable is his normal display of speed? You can't peak and choose low showings of one character and pit them against best showings of another.
And this is what people do not understand... consistency. If we use Wolverine highest showings, of course people like Cap and Daredevil can't touch him but it doesn't work that way. There should be NO REASON AT ALL that Wolverine should not be able to land a single FULL claw swipe on Spiderman... none at all.
Originally posted by carver9
So its a low showing to ge tagged by Cap, Kingpin, and Daredevil? What the hell? The people that I have named share similar feats that Spiderman has, so why is it a low showing?As for bltzing a room full of super humans... didn't Wolverine take out 200 super humans that invaded shield before they even got a bead on who it was that was killing them? Wolverine also took out the super human group called the "dark riders" ( I think that was their names) before they realized who it was that was killing them.
Was it confirmed on-panel that Scorpion was slower than Spiderman or did Spiderman spider sense save him again because classic Scorpion kept up with Spiderman just fine, so a Scorpion with an upgrade should as well.
Let's not use Spiderman rogue as any type of evidence because Venom alone has struggled to tag Wolverine and Puma couldn't even get a solid hit on a poisoned Wolverine and let's not forget the famous showing of Wolverine blitzing speed demon.
I'm not saying that Spiderman is slow and I'm not saying that Logan is faster but what I am saying is Spiderman being faster is debatable... VERY debatable and majority of the things you are mentioning has a lot to do with Spidermans speed, agility, and Spider Sense whereas Wolverine feats are mainly pure speed. Like I said before, Spiderman has commented on Wolverines speed and even pretended to be Logan.
As for your comment on Spiderman dodging Wolverine claws... like I said before, all of these people have tagged Spiderman and tagged him easily. Morlun has beat Spiderman sensless and his speed isn't on Wolvys level (Spiderman spider sense wasn't working against him...lol) and I know for a fact that Spiderman wasn't trying to take those licks, so again, if much slower people than Logan and people that are on Logan level can tag Spidey, why can't Wolverine? Wolverine has tagged NUMEROUS of speedsters, so I don't understand why his claws fail to hit Spidey and then when he had the chance to claw him, the writers decide to make Wolverine pull his claws in and punch Spiderman instead.
It wasnt confirmed on panel that SM is >> faster than Gargan but just recently spidersense-less spider-man was running circles around the upgraded Scorpion while dodging a bunch of dinosaurs. So if we're to use that A>B>C logic it wont end well for Cap.
Spider-man blitzed speed deamon 3 times to my knowledge, Puma... Logan admitted that he moved too fast for him to react and that was before the poison kicked in. Venom barely used his speed againt Logan, they brawled.
Its not PIS. Logan didnt pull his claws because "Spider-man is a hero and heros dont die" It was CIS. Wolverine did that only after Spider-man stopped fighting, Logan is not a butcher, he had no reason to kill Spider-man once Pete quit attacking. But he had no choice at first and was going for the kill. Said so himself, yet couldnt tag him. Besides its not like that fight is the only time Logan tried to gutt Parker. Again, blaming all that on writers is just wrong. So is using speedsters (a>b>c logic) as evidence. Hulk has tagged speedsters, so did punisher, Deathstroke. Who hasnt? Doesnt make them all > Spider-man in speed nor make them capable of killing him with a knife. Morlun is a terrible example. He already demonstrated the ability to teleport, go invisible AND speed beyond Spider-man's when he needs it. We dont really know what he's capable of. The guy tore apart an adamantium net after taking few hundred vibranium missles to the face.
I do not agree with the idea that complimenting someone's speed = admitting someone is as fast as you. Spider-man does that pretty often with lots of characters. And as for it being debatable, yes ok it can be debated. But the thing is, I can debate that Spider-man is smarter than Reed Richards (can even provide several scans backing that up) or that his skills rival Deadpool's, or that he can see in the dark better than Logan. Also can be done. But at the end of the day I know its not true. Same here. Because Spider-man really does have SOME pure speed feats Logan could not replicate. And their enounters also suggest he has the speed advantage. That's all im arguing. Not that he wins, but that he is faster.
Originally posted by DigiYou did? I thought you were the other way.... man that was a long time ago.
Spider-Man is obviously faster than Wolverine, their entire history being accounted for. He's also obviously stronger.That said, I'm on record a couple times saying that Wolverine takes a majority in this fight. That should really end this discussion, entertaining as the thread has been. Yes, I'm that definitive.
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Originally posted by SamZEDI like the Reed Richards thing, that was excellent. Good job.
If we use that kind of consistency we should assume that Daredevil and Cap should be able to take Logan down with their punches alone. They never failed to damage him in the past and Cap's hits were never shown as useless against Wolverine. But since we DO know that he can take a combo from Hulk and walk away we dismiss all those Cap/DD instance. Same goes for Spider-man's speed. The things he's done with his speed, and you're gonna convince me that him getting hit by Ox or Sable is his normal display of speed? You can't peak and choose low showings of one character and pit them against best showings of another.Different scenario, the feats arent alike. We're talking faster than human eye reacts kinda feats and the one you've mentioned (blitzing 10 guys and cutting their guns) is the best simillar feat Logan has. And I already pointed out the difference between dodging claws and punches. We have Spider-man dodge Logan on dozen occasions, Sabertooth who is faster than Logan on 3 occasions (he did get tagged but only because of CIS), Deadpool who is as fast as Logan and can match him feat for feat, Carnage etc and not getting gutted. You cant blame all that on writers not wanting him to die. As for MAs you've mentioned, even though he's more likely to get hit by fists than claws he in fact did beat Kingpin without getting tagged once, oneshotted Daredevil after catching his attack, ran circles around Iron Fisr, an upgraded super strong super fast Shang Chi, Bullseye, Batroc etc etc. Its not like Logan's HF is consistent and was never downplayed on many occasions. Same with Spider-man's speed. But dodging deadly super fast opponents that can one-shot kill him, been doing that for years and without much trouble. Logan is just one out of many examples. Why would you label it as PIS I just cant understand.
It wasnt confirmed on panel that SM is >> faster than Gargan but just recently spidersense-less spider-man was running circles around the upgraded Scorpion while dodging a bunch of dinosaurs. So if we're to use that A>B>C logic it wont end well for Cap.
Spider-man blitzed speed deamon 3 times to my knowledge, Puma... Logan admitted that he moved too fast for him to react and that was before the poison kicked in. Venom barely used his speed againt Logan, they brawled.
Its not PIS. Logan didnt pull his claws because "Spider-man is a hero and heros dont die" It was CIS. Wolverine did that only after Spider-man stopped fighting, Logan is not a butcher, he had no reason to kill Spider-man once Pete quit attacking. But he had no choice at first and was going for the kill. Said so himself, yet couldnt tag him. Besides its not like that fight is the only time Logan tried to gutt Parker. Again, blaming all that on writers is just wrong. So is using speedsters (a>b>c logic) as evidence. Hulk has tagged speedsters, so did punisher, Deathstroke. Who hasnt? Doesnt make them all > Spider-man in speed nor make them capable of killing him with a knife. Morlun is a terrible example. He already demonstrated the ability to teleport, go invisible AND speed beyond Spider-man's when he needs it. We dont really know what he's capable of. The guy tore apart an adamantium net after taking few hundred vibranium missles to the face.
I do not agree with the idea that complimenting someone's speed = admitting someone is as fast as you. Spider-man does that pretty often with lots of characters. And as for it being debatable, yes ok it can be debated. But the thing is, I can debate that Spider-man is smarter than Reed Richards (can even provide several scans backing that up) or that his skills rival Deadpool's, or that he can see in the dark better than Logan. Also can be done. But at the end of the day I know its not true. Same here. Because Spider-man really does have SOME pure speed feats Logan could not replicate. And their enounters also suggest he has the speed advantage. That's all im arguing. Not that he wins, but that he is faster.
Originally posted by DigiYou disgust me, our friendship is officially over.
Spider-Man is obviously faster than Wolverine, their entire history being accounted for. He's also obviously stronger.That said, I'm on record a couple times saying that Wolverine takes a majority in this fight. That should really end this discussion, entertaining as the thread has been. Yes, I'm that definitive.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You did? I thought you were the other way.... man that was a long time ago.
Indeed it was. And yes, I repped Spidey originally in this thread. Had a change of heart eventually though. Mind you, if pressed, I'll still only say 6/10 to Logan, and it swings back in Pete's favor if we use 1 of maybe 3-4 gimmick costumes he's had through the years that amp his abilities. But "regular" Spidey, yeah.
Originally posted by DigiI hate you.
Indeed it was. And yes, I repped Spidey originally in this thread. Had a change of heart eventually though. Mind you, if pressed, I'll still only say 6/10 to Logan, and it swings back in Pete's favor if we use 1 of maybe 3-4 gimmick costumes he's had through the years that amp his abilities. But "regular" Spidey, yeah.
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