Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spider-Man always had haters when he went up against peak ma characters on the forum, but the only people who were against him were Wolverine supporters and other MA supporters. The forum consensus was overall good. Now with the story arcs some may have lost hope for him. But some of this stuff is getting ridiculous. Wolverine is now faster than Spider-Man? What next? Him being stronger?He was winning by more until the thread was merged and then it restarted. Spider-Man has blitzed superhuman teams and even got a drop on Wolverine and the X-Men.
Unless Wolverine moves several times faster than the speed of sound he isn't turning invisible, and he's never protrayed anything of the sort. And now you're saying he's actually faster than Spider-Man? Goodness. It must be the times that are changing. Then again the only people who would argue this argue Wolverine against everybody.
Is Wolverine even faster than Beast or Nightcrawler? And by the way Wolverine was shot by a gun with purple goo that Spider-Man had no problem dodging.
Uuummm, Wolverine took on the entire team of Alpha Flight without getting hit until Vindicator showed up and he was STIIL dodging his blast/attacks. Dodging team full of super humans is within Wolverine realm, he has done that PLENTY of times. I'm not saying that Wolverine is faster than Spidey but if someone DID say it, I wouldn't down them because they have legitament reasons on saying it since again, Wolverine speed showings are much better imo.
Lol... Spiderman has even pretended to be Wolverine and used a hologram to present himself as Logan.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spider-Man always had haters when he went up against peak ma characters on the forum, but the only people who were against him were Wolverine supporters and other MA supporters. The forum consensus was overall good. Now with the story arcs some may have lost hope for him. But some of this stuff is getting ridiculous. Wolverine is now faster than Spider-Man? What next? Him being stronger?
indeed. i was a long time spider-man supporter then that new day crap. In fact i only recently (since ND) picked up a spider-man and that was only because i had a little money to spare and because from all the things i have been reading on here i wanted to see whats up. i still really like spider-man i just hope they can bring his story back from the depths of h*ll.
(haha see what i did there at the end?)
Originally posted by Starscream M
because of the way comics depicts themspiderman can cross rooms faster than the eye can see
Wolverine is depicted as a speedster in comics as well. Hell, almost everyone he fights outside of his rouge comments on his speed "including Spiderman".
Lol... Wolverine can do that as well and Wolverine showings of doing this is better than Spidermans. Wolverine has crossed a room faster and blitzed 10 soldiers at blinding speed and then cut the barrells off ALL of their guns in a blur fashion before they even got the thought process that they were under attack.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Anytime logan attacks spidey can let out a continuous stream of web over a large area to trap him. Logan cant simply cut through a cocoon of webbing. Then pete can wail on him all he wants.
Pete already wailed on Wolverine "all he wanted" and it did nothing to Wolverine at all. Hell, he sat down and let an enraged Spiderman pound on him and it did nothing to Logan. That tactic isn't working buddy and its not in character for Spidey either.
Originally posted by carver9Young Spider-man who was scared at the time and if you wanna go by shit that happened and go for the "on panel proof" I'll flood the next few Wolverine threads with him being mind controlled and one shotted.
Pete already wailed on Wolverine "all he wanted" and it did nothing to Wolverine at all. Hell, he sat down and let an enraged Spiderman pound on him and it did nothing to Logan.
Originally posted by carver9lol?
That tactic isn't working buddy and its not in character for Spidey either.
Originally posted by carver9tbh so has Deadpool. And that doesnt make him faster than Spider-man. Peter has crossed not a room but an entire mansion. And did it so fast that lots of cameras and dozens upon dozens soldiers could not tell what the hell is beating the crap outta them.
Wolverine can do that as well and Wolverine showings of doing this is better than Spidermans. Wolverine has crossed a room faster and blitzed 10 soldiers at blinding speed and then cut the barrells off ALL of their guns in a blur fashion before they even got the thought process that they were under attack.
Originally posted by carver9Knowing that the attack is coming wont help you dodge it at such a close range unless you got the speed to do it. Spider-man was dodging Wolverine's claws in cqc. SS and agility or not, that'd be next to impossible unless he had the speed advantage.
I never said that Spiderman and Wolverine "agility" was the same. Spiderman also has a Spider Sense that aided him in the past against Wolverine... he was always a step ahead before Wolverine initial attack. If they were to fight now, it would not play out the same imo.Then we have Spiderman basically being saved b writers when facing Wolverine. If Wolverine wants to kill Spiderman, he can. Look at Marvel Knights #13... even though it was a sparring, Spiderman was trying to dodge Wolverine claws and got stuck in the chest and it wasn't hard for Wolverine to do it either. Then we have Captain America outright running through an upgraded Spiderman and was easily landing blows on him and Cap has also had issues with Wolverines speed as well.
Is Spidey fast? He sure the hell is, is Wolverine fast, he sure the hell is... who is faster is debatable. What we do know is Spiderman had a spider sense while facing Wolverine before... without it, Wolverine would land more blows imo.
How can you blame it all on writers? To my knowledge Spider-man never used PIS in a fight with Wolverine. Not once. The thing is, the instance you've mentioned is the ONLY time Wolverine managed to tag Spider-man with his claws ever (not counting non-fights). Out of like a dozen attempts. And as you pointed out it was a sparring. There's a big difference between a sparring and a real fight, despite all the tention Spider-man really did not expect Wolverine to go ahead and stab him, said so himself. On the other hand there are more than half a dozen examples of Wolverine actually going for the stab in real fights but not succeeding. It has nothing to do with writers.
I agree it wont be as easy without Spider-sense, but only cause he's too used to it. Spider sense helps but its not a "get out of jail" card. If I was standing right next to you and you attacked me with a knife even if I knew it was coming I still wouldnt be able to movie my entire body out of your hands reach. It's debatable who wins in a fight, and I personally side with Logan for a majority in a CIS on battle. But speed imo is not up to debate. Both encounters and feats regarding speed are in Spider-man's favor. Not by much, but its there.
Originally posted by carver9I can safely say that ive read most of Wolverine's best feats (heck posted some of them myself on various forums) and the ones i have missed somehow ive seen posted by others, read and re-read the respect thread a countless times. And I honestly do not see how his pure speed is even = Spider-man's let alone >> Spider-man's. Cause ive seen Spider-man pull feats I dont see Logan do, but not vice versa.
Going by PURE speed feats... Wolverine>Spiderman imo. Going by agility... Spiderman>>Logan. Wolverine showings involving speed is superior than Spidermans imo.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Young Spider-man who was scared at the time and if you wanna go by shit that happened and go for the "on panel proof" I'll flood the next few Wolverine threads with him being mind controlled and one shotted. lol?
What fight are you talking about? I'm referring to Marvel Knights #13 which happened in the years 2000... not their old fight. Lol
Originally posted by carver9My bad I thought you were talking about the graveyard fight, still the "punches" you're talking about are clearly a slapstick moment, he hits him with his elbows and shit SM NEVER hit someone like that before.
What fight are you talking about? I'm referring to Marvel Knights #13 which happened in the years 2000... not their old fight. Lol
Originally posted by carver9Lol, so its not in spideys character to use webbing to entrap opponents? Have u ever read a spiderman comic? He does it all the time. Just randomly grab a spidey comic out of a large stack and i garantee ull see him webbing someone. Jeez, really, u guys are plain ridiculous sometimes.
Pete already wailed on Wolverine "all he wanted" and it did nothing to Wolverine at all. Hell, he sat down and let an enraged Spiderman pound on him and it did nothing to Logan. That tactic isn't working buddy and its not in character for Spidey either.
As far as the wailing, u guys can act as if logan has some uber level of superhuman durability, but he doesnt. Just because he has an insane healing factor doesnt mean that he cant be KOed, cuz he has. 10+ tons can certainly do the job.spidey has KOed way more durable characters.
Besides all that, being trapped in a cocoon of webbing constitutes being "momentarily incapacitated", doesnt it? I mean, he cant fight, right? Thats a win.
Originally posted by SamZED
tbh so has Deadpool. And that doesnt make him faster than Spider-man. Spider-man has crossed not a room but an entire mantion.. so fast that dozen cameras and dozens and dozens soldiers couldnt tell what the hell is beating the crap outta them.Knowing that the attack is coming wont help you dodge it at such a close range unless you got the speed to do it. Spider-man was dodging Wolverine's claws in cqc. SS and agility or not, that'd be next to impossible unless he had the speed advantage.
How can you blame it all on writers? To my knowledge Spider-man never used PIS in a fight with Wolverine. Not once. The thing is, the instance you've mentioned is the ONLY time Wolverine managed to tag Spider-man with his claws ever (not counting non-fights). Out of like a dozen attempts. And as you pointed out it was a sparring. There's a big difference between a sparring and a real fight, despite all the tention Spider-man really did not expect Wolverine to go ahead and stab him, said so himself. On the other hand there are more than half a dozen examples of Wolverine actually going for the stab in real fights but not succeeding. It has nothing to do with writers.
I agree it wont be as easy without Spider-sense, but only cause he's too used to it. Spider sense helps but its not a "get out of jail" card. If I was standing right next to you and you attacked me with a knife even if I knew it was coming I still wouldnt be able to movie my entire body out of your hands reach. It's debatable who wins in a fight, and I personally side with Logan for a majority in a CIS on battle. But speed imo is not up to debate. Both encounters and feats regarding speed are in Spider-man's favor. Not by much, but its there.
I can safely say that ive read most of Wolverine's best feats (heck posted some of them myself on various forums) and the ones i have missed somehow ive seen posted by others, read and re-read the respect thread a countless times. And I honestly do not see how his pure speed is even = Spider-man's let alone >> Spider-man's. Cause ive seen Spider-man pull feats I dont see Logan do, but not vice versa.
When you have people like Daredevil, Cap, Puma, King Pin, along with other streets not having any issues at tagging Spidey but Wolverine can't, yes the writer is saving him. What san writer would have Wolverine chopping Spiderman arm or leg off... it will never happen. You can even base things like this off of the Xmen showings as well. Every time a major villian shows. The first person they display their destructive powers on is logan while the other member don't even receive a flesh wound.
Its just how it is. Wolverine is as fast or faster than Cap and Cap was putting those hands on an amped Spiderman and he did it easily but yet, Logan can't get a claw swipe in. All of this is common sense. Daredevil tagged a PISSED Spiderman, along with NUMEROUS of others that are below Logan speed wise.
If I had a Spider Sense and we had the same speed but my agility was better than yours, "you will not touch me" if I knew you were attack me ahead of time. Its just how it is. Spiderman spider sense has warned him that lightning was about to hit him and he dodged it in enough time and he SURE as hell isn't close to being the speed of lightning.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol, so its not in spideys character to use webbing to entrap opponents? Have u ever read a spiderman comic? He does it all the time. Just randomly grab a spidey comic out of a large stack and i garantee ull see him webbing someone. Jeez, really, u guys are plain ridiculous sometimes.As far as the wailing, u guys can act as if logan has some uber level of superhuman durability, but he doesnt. Just because he has an insane healing factor doesnt mean that he cant be KOed, cuz he has. 10+ tons can certainly do the job.spidey has KOed way more durable characters.
Besides all that, being trapped in a cocoon of webbing constitutes being "momentarily incapacitated", doesnt it? I mean, he cant fight, right? Thats a win.
You said cover the entire battlefield which isn't in character.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
My bad I thought you were talking about the graveyard fight, still the "punches" you're talking about are clearly a slapstick moment, he hits him with his elbows and shit SM NEVER hit someone like that before.
Spiderman was pissed and he was trying to drop Logan. I guess he used his elbows because his fist wasn't working.
Originally posted by carver9I never said cover the entire battlefield, but spidey could easily shoot web pover a vast enough area to where logan wouldnt be able to simple dodge it. Ive seen him use web to cover large areas many many times. Spideys a smart fighter. Hed do what is neccesary to win.
You said cover the entire battlefield which isn't in character.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I never said cover the entire battlefield, but spidey could easily shoot web pover a vast enough area to where logan wouldnt be able to simple dodge it. Ive seen him use web to cover large areas many many times. Spideys a smart fighter. Hed do what is neccesary to win.
I have seen Wolverine cut through and dodge faster moving objects than Spideys webbing. I have also seen him dodge Spiderman webbing as well along with cutting through it. Can he use that as a win, sure can but not for a majority imo... especially since Logan knows to look out for it.