Originally posted by StiltmanFTWDon't pretend like you don't cry every time I burst one of the illusions of Wolverine's superiority. Good guys always win cant be applied here. It's simple. Two characters. One of them is good/fast enough to react to Speed Demon and counteattack, the other one isn't. And so has to rely on PIS/CIS in order to win.
I'm sorryBut I can't hear you over the sound how lame Spider-Man is.
And btw, Logan broke one of Charlie's chainsaws in that scan, so he did connect. Struggled with his berserker side later.
Demon is Parker's villain, so it's obvious he had more encounters with him, good guys always win in the end, so Pete got some good showings... eventually.
He was fighting a bunch of hillbillies. Ok.. one of them had chainsaws for hands but he was still a mindless brute with no skills or training. People like that should not be able to mortally wound a superhuman MA expert 8 times over before he finally connects once. So it's a good thing there were no MA experts in that book. 😗
I think the point is not to overstate anything. The main fault of backers on either side in this thread is trying to downplay the other too much. The other point is not to get hung up on a single scan, feat, or even single power as though it ends the thread.
I've been on both sides of this thread. First as a Spidey backer, then as a Logan backer just for the lulz, then as a legit Wolverine backer. Now I think I'm back with Spidey. Point is, no one has represented Parker more times and as thoroughly as I have on KMC, and even I've been on both sides. And I have a hard time disagreeing with people repping Wolverine, because, at least with the knowledgeable ones, they generally make good points, and it comes down to weighing the importance of certain feats and tactics, rather than wildly different views of the same fight.
So it's close. Nearly 1,000 pages in the forum's most persistent thread can attest to that. No amount of hyperbole, lowballing, scan-blitzing, or even decisive victory over another poster changes that.
But enough of that...
Spidey wins easy. Come at me.
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Originally posted by SamZED
Don't pretend like you don't cry every time I burst one of the illusions of Wolverine's superiority. Good guys always win cant be applied here. It's simple. Two characters. One of them is good/fast enough to react to Speed Demon and counteattack, the other one isn't. And so has to rely on PIS/CIS in order to win.
You've shown nothing like that, but okay. Daydreaming is common among Deadpool fans.
Originally posted by SamZED
He was fightinga bunch of hillbilliesmurdering psychopaths. Ok.. one of them had chainsaws for hands but he was still a mindless brute with no skills or training. People like that should not be able to mortally wound a superhuman MA expert 8 times over before he finally connects once. So it's a good thing there were no MA experts in that book. 😗
Fixed.
Actually we know nothing of Charlie's history (apart from him using armlocks back when he had hands).
You're also a Sentry fan. Other group of hillbilies punked him in his own book 😛 Shit happens. Enforcers, Circus of Crime, nameless thugs...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I've always thought that Spider-man's webs should allow him to incapacitate Wolverine for a comfortable majority.Don't murder me Stilt.
That is a viable tactic in a forum match (spamming webs like he did to Morlun, for example), I suppose. But so is Wolverine doing a ninja vanish 🥷
And it's not me you need to worry about. If I were you, I'd make sure to never again read a Wolverine comic from less than one foot distance.
I think Spider-Man can KO Wolverine. However, not as easy as Wolverine can take out Spider-Man. Mix that with speed, maybe not on Spider-Man's level, but speed and skill enough to tag Spider-Man. And Wolverine takes a comfortable majority.
Web spam is a simple solution, although it's a little bit... cheap.
To see Spider-Man win legit, it'd have to be a combo of webbing Wolves a little, and attacking him while distracted. IMO.
Webbing has always been the kicker. Otherwise, it's safe to assume that the majority of the time Wolverine would get the 1-2 solid hits needed to win before Spidey puts him down through other means.
Forum fight vs. comic fight distinctions are valid in this instance. "Forum" mentality, where Pete wouldn't muck about and could just unload multiple web cartridges, that obviously favors him. But it's just as obviously not something you see him do often in comics (there IS precedent for it though, not just the Morlun fight).
So some of it is how you think they'd react or approach the fight. But I think the point is, for most at least, SM possesses the skill and power set to take the majority, even if he might not always use them fully in a comic. Thus, it's hard to say he loses a majority, knowing he has greater potential in this fight.
Just some random post I found:
Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Login CAN NOT I SAY CAN NOT!!!!!! brake out of Peter's web if Namor can't do it if Rogue can't do it HOW TELL ME HOW THE HELL Login can do it.SM web is way stronger then steel.A orb spider's web for it's size is 15 times stronger then then steel cables that hold up the Brooklyn bridge.Are you saying Login is stronger then Namor.
Spider-fans... 😆
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
in what world is he stronger then wolverine he can literally sit and pound on logans head for 2 days and wouldnt leave a scratch he'd just heal wolverine wins 10/10
Well, I'd like to point out that your rebuttal about being pounded on and healing does nothing to refute the claim that SM is stronger. That's a durability argument, not a strength one.
As it is, who's stronger isn't really debated. Most will list Wolverine as Class 1-2, Spidey as Class 10-15. They both have feats that put those respective classes to shame, Wolverine well over 10, Spidey over 50, so they have the capability of outdoing what should be their potential. But in a bench-press or similarly objective strength scale, Spider-Man is indeed much stronger.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just some random post I found:Spider-fans... 😆
Well, ok, lulz, but just be careful that you're not taking rant-style quotes and attributing them to the entire fandom, or as the most coherent defense of Spidey.
The webbing question is something of a dichotomy, because they're ostensibly stronger than steel and have held some insanely impressive stuff. They've also been broken out of by less than it should take.
I doubt I need to remind you that Logan has been incapacitated with webbing, though. It probably gets linked every other page in this thread. It's a powerful indicator of how the "webbing takes it" advocates see the fight.
Originally posted by Digi
Webbing has always been the kicker. Otherwise, it's safe to assume that the majority of the time Wolverine would get the 1-2 solid hits needed to win before Spidey puts him down through other means.
I'm not too sure about that. Spidey has enough of a speed advantage, where he can pace himself if need be, and his endurance is good enough to go for days..
Sans PIS, Spidey should simply pin him down with a heavy object, like a truck or rock or something.. I mean, he can throw cars and trucks like humans throw footballs, so how hard is it to just overpower Logan and incapacitate him?..