The Official Shipping Debate Thread [merged]

exactly and night have a briliant vacation the other day i was hanging out with friends so i wasnt on here and katie right you are we'll have a little bit of harmony at least until all the others return like the sun and such,but i love arguing i think thats what i miss about them not being here nothing beats a good debate... hey anyone been on neopets i re-signed up for it its kinda cool but i think the only reason i go there is because my friend is a member and on her guild: dept. of mysteries you get sorted into houses its alright (sry for being off topic)

okay i gotta go b/c my friends just rang the door bell!cyapp4ever

Originally posted by dark1365
Another reason is that they're more likely to have a stronger relationship. Ron and Hermione bicker all the time. Apparently they're hiding their feelings for each other, but look at their age, they're 15! Not 11. They shouldn't be doing those type of things. The slightest argument, even if its over a homework dispute, would probably send the relationship spiralling chaotically.
Harry on the other hand, is a lot more heartfelt toward his own friends, and only get mad at them if they're angry back at him. In this case, Ron getting angry at him in GoF.
The way he treats Hermione is a lot more different than Ron's, even if they are only friends, Harry not considering it any more than being just friends. Ron on the other hand, treats her a little worse than Harry sometimes, even though he's supposed to be having a crush on her. For example: Harry suggested that they apologize to Hermione after he got the Firebolt back....Harry assuring Hermione that he doesn't think she's ugly...etc.

I completely agree with you Dark. Harry and Hermione are a solid couple, even now when they're not even dating, they work really well together and are always there to back each other up. I'm rereading OOTP right now to catch myself up on the details and such and I found something very interesting. When Harry is attacked by the demetors in the Ally in the first chapter of the book he's trying to make a patronous but can't; then he thinks that he's never going to see Ron and hermione again and he gets a picture of their faces in his mind, and this allows him to make a full, strong patronous that charges the dementors down. Now ok, Ron is his best male friend, it makes sense that he would be able to see and use him. But Hermione automatically shows up in his mind, the girl that shows up before all other girls, the most important girl in his life (even when he's supposed to have some major crush on Cho). I thought that was pretty telling.
To me it wouldn't work if harry tried to date another girl, or if hermione tried to date another guy, because their girlfriend or boyfriend would always be playing second fiddle to Hermione or Harry. We saw this with Hermione in GOF; even when the big quidditch star Krum liked her she was still talking to him about Harry all the time, and Krum felt threatened. When Harry dates Cho in OOTP she too feels threatened by Hermione, especially when Harry leaves her to go meet Hermione on Valentines day, and defends her charm on the little DA coins. So yeah...there ya go. H/Hr all the way 😄

Originally posted by NightCrawler341
Okay, now, I want you to find one quote that would show Harry actually noticing Hermione and showing affection EXCEPT for that damn quote that everyone likes to bring up in the DoM.

^^seconded!

I was just abt to post that, u beat me 2 it!

Originally posted by NightCrawler341
Phoe and me, or at least Phoe told me she shipped H/G... We need one so we can put of more of a defense.

I basically ship H/G cos I am R/Hr... We make a special team, as u mentioned to me that u ship R/Hr cos u r H/G! 😄

Originally posted by hermione7
hey guys, i have a quote too

"Oh," said Ron, his smile fading slightly. "Are you that bad at kissing?"

"Dunno," said Harry, who hadn't considered this, and immediately felt rather worried. "Maybe I am."

[B]"Of course you're not," said Hermione absently, still scribbling away at her letter.

what or who do u think she's thinking [/B]

ABSENTLY being the key word of that quote - she is just being generally reassuring as friends are. Whenever I say I'm fat, or I'm thick or I'm rubbish, all my mates automatic responses are 'Don't be stupid' and 'Of course your not'

Originally posted by KKdave
Wait, whats this? Anyway, the harry/ginny thing: I think with that quote you used Nightcrawler, Ginny turned red because she was embarrased about going with Nevell, or at least that's how I read it. To me Harry and Ginny just doesnt click... I mean everyone had crushes on their older brothers friends when they're 11 and 12. But by the time Ginny actually becomes important in the books she's over harry and moved on to dating a bunch of other people. I think her whole crush thing is in the past, just some little girl thing that we all go through. I think i recall JKR saying something along the lines of "it will make total sense to some people and none to others" about shipping. Thats not a direct quote though, i'm just remembering that now. So as we all know, thats as ambigious as everything she says... hmph... i want book 6!

But she can't have been embarrassed about going with Neville cos she really likes nevs as a mate. she sticks up 4 him all the time. At begin of ootp when they are on hogwarts express, Luna turns to Nevs and says 'I don't know you'. Nevs says 'I'm nobody' and ginny says 'No you're not!' fiercely and introduces him. I reckon she turned red because altho she likes Nevs she doesn't fanci him, and has been denied to go to the Yule Ball with the guy she reaally fancis - Harry. So, she is blushing becos

a) she still fancis harry
b) she is frustrated that she now can't go to the ball wiv harry
c) she is angry at nevs for being the reason she can't go wiv harry
d) she is angry at herself for bei8ng angry at nevs and is feeling guilty

Phew! girls emotions are complicated, they rarely mean just one thing..

Originally posted by NightCrawler341
More quotes from GoF.... though I seriously want to get quotes from OotP but I'm still read GoF

"Hermione," said Ron, looking sideways at her, suddenly frowning, "your teeth...."

"What about them?" she said. (which probably should be asked, not said, but hell, JKR wrote it not me)

Well, they're different... I just noticed...."

"Of course they are- Did you expect me to keep those fangs Malfoy gave me?"

"No, I mean, they're different to how they were before he put that hex on you.... They're all... straight and- and normal-sized."

Hermione suddenly smiled mischievously, and Harry noticed it too: It was a very different smile from the one he remember."

One, Ron noticed before Harry. Two, she smiled because RON noticed, and also to show off her teeth possibly. Three, this proves Harry doesn't notice a god damn thing about anything but his damn life! *Beats Harry across the head* PAY.... ATTENTION!

l😂l

*pokes harry with poking stick*

Get over your angst and have some fun!

Originally posted by KKdave
To be fair, can you blame harry for not noticing every little thing? I think he has a lot more on his mind and a lot more to deal with then Ron. When you are expected to be the savior of the world then I guess your mind has less space to notice every little detail. In GOf harry was fairly preoccupied with the tri-wizard tournament. Even when he was with Cho Chang, the girl he had been wanting for 2 years, in OOTP he was still too busy with other things to really be a good boyfriend. Remember he ditched her for Hermione? So I don't blame Harry for not noticing things, I think he's got a lot on his mind. But personally, I do hope he wakes up a little bit in the girl department, but usually 15 year old boys are pretty clueless.

I think people are wrong to underestimate ron. he goes through a lot, always helping Harry in every book

book 1 - won the chess game
2 - went down to the chamber of secrets with him, goes to forbidden forest with him, flies car with him
3 - warned Harry that Black was an animagus, got his leg broken trying to keep harry safe
4 - helped Harry train for the tasks
5 - went to the department of mysteries with him

ron gets seriously injured in nearly every bk 2, jus like Harry

1 - attacked by Queen
2 - attacked by Lockhart
3 - attacked by Sirius (leg broken)
4 - allowed himself to be stunned by Harry a million and one times, is hidden in lake. ((Anyone else notice how Hermione is NOT Harry's most treasured person - if he secretly or subconciously loved her, it would be Hermy down there))
5 - attacked by brains with tentacles

I've totally 4gotten where I was goin wiv this point but I'll soldier on anyway!

Oh yeah, my point was - even tho they both get seriously injured and in danger - why is it always Harry that everyone cares is alrite? Everyone crowds round HARRY's hospital bed, but never \ron's
- stop mistreating ron, he's a cutie, he needs a big hug!

Originally posted by NightCrawler341
You know, fighting over shipping is now getting kinda pointless. It really doesn't collide with the plot much. Or maybe I'm a bit lightheaded right now and that's the lightheadedness talking. O.O

well no it doesn't, and I've always m,aintained that, but it IS fun. What with all this death and destruction, maybe a little romance would be nice! 😄

Originally posted by pumpkinpie4ever
, Professor Flitwick, is I think....a goblin. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me and send me some detail on how Hermione is associated with the goblins. Or perhaps, she is yet to be associated with them. And here's another quote:

JK says he has 'goblin ancestry' but is not pure goblin

Also, Ron jokes that Hermy is going to start SPUG - the Society for the Ugly Goblins

Originally posted by KKdave
I'm not angry at all, but i guess I'm just a little annoyed because, yes, the same people keep saying that myself (and all other h/hr shippers) are wrong.

So now u realise how it feels when u and pumpkin pie keep posting endless lists of why I'm wrong! 😉

Originally posted by KKdave
I completely agree with you Dark. Harry and Hermione are a solid couple, even now when they're not even dating, they work really well together and are always there to back each other up. I'm rereading OOTP right now to catch myself up on the details and such and I found something very interesting. When Harry is attacked by the demetors in the Ally in the first chapter of the book he's trying to make a patronous but can't; then he thinks that he's never going to see Ron and hermione again and he gets a picture of their faces in his mind, and this allows him to make a full, strong patronous that charges the dementors down. Now ok, Ron is his best male friend, it makes sense that he would be able to see and use him. But Hermione automatically shows up in his mind, the girl that shows up before all other girls, the most important girl in his life (even when he's supposed to have some major crush on Cho). I thought that was pretty telling.

It is telling that they are BEST MATES. I would be majorly upset if my best boy mate was attacked or whatevere - girls and boys can be FRIENDS, it is possible!

harry/cho chang
ron/hermione

i agree w/ u phoenix

Phoe went on one of her MAJOR posting sprees! Aaaaaaaaaaah!

Originally posted by dark1365
18 days?! Aw crap I have to finish the fanfic by then.

I support H/Hr because it is more realistic, if not more stable, than R/H. "The Hero Always Gets the Girl"(unless she or the hero's killed) in this case; no matter what the opposition say, the hero always gets with the girl. I have yet to see a single movie, read a single book, and watch a TV show without the hero getting the girl.

Another reason is that they're more likely to have a stronger relationship. Ron and Hermione bicker all the time. Apparently they're hiding their feelings for each other, but look at their age, they're 15! Not 11. They shouldn't be doing those type of things. The slightest argument, even if its over a homework dispute, would probably send the relationship spiralling chaotically.
Harry on the other hand, is a lot more heartfelt toward his own friends, and only get mad at them if they're angry back at him. In this case, Ron getting angry at him in GoF.
The way he treats Hermione is a lot more different than Ron's, even if they are only friends, Harry not considering it any more than being just friends. Ron on the other hand, treats her a little worse than Harry sometimes, even though he's supposed to be having a crush on her. For example: Harry suggested that they apologize to Hermione after he got the Firebolt back....Harry assuring Hermione that he doesn't think she's ugly...etc.

I agree with you completly. I'm with you there about the hero always getting the girl, that's usually the case with everything. Batman and Robin, you didn't see Robin the sidekick get the ladies, it was Batman. So yeah, that's true.

The problem I have with Ron and Hermione is because of there bickering or whatever. I don't see how that's them hiding there feelings because most of the stuff Ron says to Hermione, he really means it. So I don't see how that can turn to romance. Secondly, Ron's always bickered like that to Hermione, since they were 11 years old. To me, this is just Ron being Ron. He bickers like that to his sister Ginny, so the way he bickers with Hermione is like a friend/sister kind of way. No romance there for me. And yes, some R/HR shippers say the same for Hermione and Harry, but I think for both sides, once I see Hermione actually say "Ron is like a brother to me," or "Harry is like a brother to me" both sides is just speculation and opinion.

I think there are reasons why JKR makes Hermione and Harry face certain things together without Ron. Take POA for example, and Ootp. To me it shows that JKR wants Harry and Hermione to spend some time together.

Originally posted by Phoenix
I think people are wrong to underestimate ron. he goes through a lot, always helping Harry in every book

book 1 - won the chess game
2 - went down to the chamber of secrets with him, goes to forbidden forest with him, flies car with him
3 - warned Harry that Black was an animagus, got his leg broken trying to keep harry safe
4 - helped Harry train for the tasks
5 - went to the department of mysteries with him

ron gets seriously injured in nearly every bk 2, jus like Harry

1 - attacked by Queen
2 - attacked by Lockhart
3 - attacked by Sirius (leg broken)
4 - allowed himself to be stunned by Harry a million and one times, is hidden in lake. ((Anyone else notice how Hermione is NOT Harry's most treasured person - if he secretly or subconciously loved her, it would be Hermy down there))
5 - attacked by brains with tentacles

okay your wrong in some parts...

#3- he broke his leg because of peter petigrew if u recall he was chasing him. sirius was attacking peter and ron just so happened to be in the way.
#4- ron was screaming at harry alot though hermione was helping just the same if not more than ron. she wasnt more caught up in victor if you recall in the begining she loathed him...but in the end she did like him...

#2- lockhart's spell backfired so he didnt technicly get hurt

and again in the goblet of fire everyones in love with the wrong person...
hermione and krum ron and hermione;harry and cho JK said it herself so now im done

Originally posted by Phoenix
But she can't have been embarrassed about going with Neville cos she really likes nevs as a mate. she sticks up 4 him all the time. At begin of ootp when they are on hogwarts express, Luna turns to Nevs and says 'I don't know you'. Nevs says 'I'm nobody' and ginny says 'No you're not!' fiercely and introduces him. I reckon she turned red because altho she likes Nevs she doesn't fanci him, and has been denied to go to the Yule Ball with the guy she reaally fancis - Harry. So, she is blushing becos

a) she still fancis harry
b) she is frustrated that she now can't go to the ball wiv harry
c) she is angry at nevs for being the reason she can't go wiv harry
d) she is angry at herself for bei8ng angry at nevs and is feeling guilty

Phew! girls emotions are complicated, they rarely mean just one thing..

Rogue makes a good point about Ron's view of Ginny and Hermione's relationships.

If you gauge them, they seem incredibly similar.

"Which one was Michael Corner?"
"The black one."
"I don't like him."

"What does she see in Krum anyway?!"
"Well, I suppose he's a Quidditch player...and he's internationally famous, isn't he..."
"Well, on top of it, he's a grouchy old git, isn't he?"

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artist:lindsey lohan(i dont like her just the song)
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exactly dark and rouge never saw it like that before but it makes real sense! he seems to be over protective like an older brother to both of them,.. well G2Gcya

Originally posted by pumpkinpie4ever
okay your wrong in some parts...

#3- he broke his leg because of peter petigrew if u recall he was chasing him. sirius was attacking peter and ron just so happened to be in the way.
#4- ron was screaming at harry alot though hermione was helping just the same if not more than ron. she wasnt more caught up in victor if you recall in the begining she loathed him...but in the end she did like him...

#2- lockhart's spell backfired so he didnt technicly get hurt

and again in the goblet of fire everyones in love with the wrong person...
hermione and krum ron and hermione;harry and cho JK said it herself so now im done