Dont pass up this post because its so long, its mostly a pretty nice story of WHY juggey would beat the heavnly hell out of Hulky.
what I think here is that people are still forgetting the fact that, juggernaut, is indeed, invincible...
Also... how does Hulk have enough time to get angry in order to be strong enough to even face Juggernaut?
Juggernaut starts out with an amazing class 100 strength... As you people KEEP forgetting, hes unstoppable, and the limitations behind the magic of Cytorak and his strength are still unknown...
Juggey was punching through dimensions when a group of thugs stole the Gem and the book, they took him over and had him operating at almost full capacity, tearing down dimensional barriers with his fists, and enabling his full capacity of psionic attacks, and resistance to even Onslaught, if he had been operating at that capacity when he was fighting him.
Now, lets compare this to The Hulks, normal stage... So right when bruce banner gets angry, and becomes the hulk, hes only at about 60 or 70 class strength, Juggernaut is already operating at 100 class at the beggining of the fight. This would provide sufficient time for Juggernaut to hold little hulky under water, and if he holds his breath, he can pull a batman, punching his stomach inward, causing Hulky to SUCK in the water! Filling up his lungs, Hulky turns back into brucey, brucye drownds, Juggernaut wins.
In other words, if someone is stronger than Hulk at his beggining stage, hes gonna get banged up.
Lets put what I just said into a more... reasonable approach...
Bruce gets angry, he becomes the hulk and is now operating somewhere between 60-70 class strength, with a full powered, ready Juggernaut operating at 100 right off the start.
Juggernaut would rush forward, so would the hulk, grabbing his shoulders, Juggey would crush him downward, and dragging him by the neck and legs fling him to the nearest lake. Now by this time Hulk is probably getting pissed, so now lets say hes operating at a full on 75 or 80 class strength.
Upon dunking Hulk into the water, Juggernaut holds him down, of course, The hulk would be fighting horribly ferociously to get up, reaching a higher amount slowly but surely... Juggernaut would be struggling extremely, Hulk would reach a solid 85 class by now, and sufficiently knock juggernaut off balance, entering a water class battle, Juggernaut puts all 100 ton power into effect, and slams Hulk straight in the stomach, (That batman thing was a joke, but being hit by 100 tons of force WOULD make Hulk unable to hold his breathe anymore, not like batmans... half a pound kick, but thats not the point) being hit in the stomach, the hulk would blow out his full lungs of air, Juggernaut, not needing Air to survive, or food, or water, or any other mortal sort of fuel for that matter, would take a joy ride as Hulk swims wildly to the surface, effectivly holding tight to his neck, he would probably pull Hulk back down and make the top side on him, wrestling him back down to the bottom...
Now by this time, I wont doubt it, hulks probably pretty damn angry, giving him around a 90-100 class range, so Juggernaut is now beggining to become over-powered, because a dieing hulk is probably getting angrier and angrier by the second.
However, with no air left to spare, Hulk would most likely start to get a slight bit weaker, whereas he was around 120 class, hes now powering down, going into a choking state, the hulk fumbles around haphazardly in the water, in all the fray, Hulk being pumbled, and most likely kicked moreso in the stomach by Juggernaut, and being wrestled and using all his energy to fight with no air, Hulk's lungs would Involunutarily suck in for the life giving air, but theres a problem, hes underwater...
So as the hulk sucks in, water filled his lungs, entering a SEVERE choking state, The Hulk has now lost all means of intelligence under fighting and is now held up by his loss of breath, he would struggle madly to try and reach the surface, pushing and pulling, and finally, sucking in another gasp of water, The Hulk would in time stop fighting all together, his lungs almost full, he would faint or enter a type of unconscious sleep/choking spell and turn back into Bruce Banner, he would sink to the bottom spazimiming for air unconsciously, and finally, Drownd.
In other words, of course Hulk can beat juggernaut, but Hes a vigilante, and the fact Juggey starts out stronger than Hulk in the first place DOES not help this battle at all.
"But Hulk could lift a mountain!" Where does strength help if theres no air, and where does it help if he doesnt start out that strong... you know how long and angry Hulk had to be to do that? That millions of class of strength!
And I dont want to hear any arguements about how The Hulk would get so angry hed immediatly blaze to some insane 300 class or something, it takes quiet some time to get to such a strong strength, a class 100 cant deal with it, so even if Hulk was at around 150, underwater without the need of Air juggernaut would have more than an advantage.
How did water get involved in this. Where does the water come from? Do you really think the Hulk is going to let Juggs dunk him underwater? And the Hulk at calm levels starts at class 90 to 100. When he gets angry his strength exceeds class 100. Anger does not take time to charge like a cell phone battery. With the Hulk, anger can be instanteneous.
And for the record, I don't know who would win a fight. This is one of those things which have no answer.
Originally posted by Draco69
Anger does not take time to charge like a cell phone battery. With the Hulk, anger can be instanteneous.
And for the record, I don't know who would win a fight. This is one of those things which have no answer.
But some people will never get this simple fact 😄.
Really? Because Marvel Directory clearly states that at a calm state, Hulk is near 70 class strength, and it takes serious enragement for him to gain more.
Where did water come in? Well, lets think... if you were battling a huge brute that you knew was going to get ten times your strength if you fought him normally for too long, and you knew you didnt have to breathe, where would you go?
Juggernaut, being a vigilante and a type of bounty-hunter, has done this many times, used water and his supphocation/noeating/nodrinking/nopoisoning magical aspects to win battles.
All juggey needs to do is supphocate him long enough, and slowly hulky would go down in strength and go back to brucey.
Nice title, Draco, smart ass, it suits you.
By the way, water comes from the sky, just incase you didnt know, and sometimes it can be found in lakes in big cities, like lake michigan in Chicago and stuff.
Also, please tell me where you found the class 90 to 100 information, id like to know.
And did I not state the hulk's strength can easily exceed 100? It just takes time, in the comics he never really could control it, he just had to be mad enough.
AND AS I SAID, DRACO... of course the hulk wouldnt let him dunk him underwater, theres just not much hulky can do when hes weaker than juggernaut from the start, and you made up that crack about the 90 to 100 off your own mind to make it seem like hes more of a match for Juggernaut right off the bat, exact oppisite of what I said...
Fanboy.
To IRMTU-Dragon:
Jesus Christ, I was just making a comment. No need to get your Batman underwear in a twist. I'm sorry that you treat this Juggernaut vs. Hulk forum with such seriousness. It's just a comic book forum. Honestly, I don't really care who wins. It's really pathetic of you to take offense on such a topic. I don't really like the Hulk and I don't really like the Juggernaut. Name calling and berating is completely uncalled for. Come back later when you grow up, little boy.
Your story is full of holes Dragon-whatever...
How the hell would Juggernaut suffocate Hulk? He can hold his breath for days. Hulk fought Namor while underwater more than once. Hulk is just as strong, if not stronger than Juggernaut. The marvel directory is incorrect. If it were correct that would mean Hulk is weaker than Namor. Go to the source for info, Marvel.com. Any web site that assigns strength classes on Marvel characters such as "Class 100" is incorrect. Marvel give weight limits to very few characters, like Namor. Hulk doesn't have a starting strength limit, and it sure as hell wouldn't be 70 tons. Juggernaut does have a strength limit, but it's definately larger than 100 tons as I've seen him lift far heavier objects. However Hulk has two advantages on Juggernaut. For one, he's faster; two, he can get way stronger than him. Juggernaut may have beaten the older comic book Hulk, but he definately could not beat the Hulk of today's comics. Hulk would be too strong, and Juggernaut would be too slow.
Grey Hulk had problems in a relatively short period of time (a few minutes at most) when he was battling Wolverine underwater, but I do not know of the lung capacity for the other variations.
Anyway, if you are saying water as the justification, then you are merely referring to environmental circumstances, which doesn't justify one being better than the other overall.
Juggernaut would not possess the agility, flexibility, nor the strength, to hold Hulk underwater, and kick him in the stomach simultaneously. Water isn't a factor, period.
Hulk would use his superior strength and speed against Juggernaut. For every punch Juggernaut throws, Hulk will possibly block or evade, and retaliate with a punch of greater force.
Im sorry, what was I talking about, of course Water isnt a factor, of course The Hulk will be fighting juggernaut perfectly able and well, heck, your right, he'll even be able to block his attacks.
Let me ask you something, if The Hulk is in danger of drowning, with almost no air left in his lungs, you think he'll just be standing at the bottom of the lake fighting Juggernaut like hes fine?
No. Theres no way Hulk will be able to be blocking Juggernauts moves and dodging him when hes in danger of drowning, he'll be choking, and barly able to hold on...
Why dont you do me a favor and hold your breathe until you just cant hold it anymore, then keep it just before the point were you start trying to suck in air with your throat, and tell me how well you feel, now act like your blocking attacks and retaliating really fast and swiftly. You cant? Of course not, you need to breathe... next try this in the bathtub or shower not breathing.
Then do me a favor, all that air in your lungs thats stale? Pretend like something just slammed you, pretend like the force of a bunch of trucks just hit your stomach, Blow it all out, with no air in your lungs. Now continue to act like your fighting and blocking moves swiftly, when your about to breath act like your being pulled back under the water.
THERE IS NO WAY id be focusing on fighting someone almost equal my power if I was in danger of drowning.
Come on guys, lets think. Sure, The Hulk CAN become more powerful than juggernaut, but he would easily find a vantage point, The Hulk is only mortal, after all.
*sigh* jackass Juggernaut fanboys. It's like having a piece of kryptonite on the battlefield when Superman and Thor battle. It's not a real battle. In order to truly prove that Juggernaut can defeat the Hulk, they have to battle in a completely featureless environment. Than we can argue whos better than who. I'll leave the arguing to someone else, because I honestly don't care.
No its not. Because Superman becomes weak to Kryptonite, The hulk is perfectly fine around water. Were talking about something holding him down in it.
You wanna know why im not argueing on a featureless battlefield? Because no one else is.
This whole thread is filled with crap about lifting mountains and buildings falling on them and crap like that.
So for all you people that think The Hulk is this super powerful major invulnreble beast that... someone said... can even beat Godzilla, then you need to really check your priorities, point is you find the right hero, and the right place, and Hulkie is going down.
Also, the Kryptonite and Superman crack... it is too a real battle... Your playing into other things now, because you have to bring every aspect and level of fighting into the battlefield every perfect element for them to battle in, you dont throw them in some white dimension and watch them punch each other...
If they were really battling, of course theres going to be advantageous and disadvantageous terrain... Think buddy, and yes, if Thor used kryptonite thats Supermans weakness, Thor wins.