"I mean? Insulting Juggernauts very source of power? How weak is that. Thats the same as saying what if superman was a cop, and never had his powers either... all characters rely on there power, doesnt matter what that power is."
Dude, I wasn't insultng one of your family members. Chill out. Fictional character. FICTIONAL CHARACTERSSSSSS. Am I getting through to ya at all?
"Why dont you open up your eyes, and accept the fact that just because you like The Hulk more, and you THINK he should win, doesnt ever mean he could."
I've stated many times that Hulk isn't my favourite. Yes I like him more. I also like Surfer more than Doom but I don't try to doubt that Doom straight treated him like a ***** and took his board. You claim I'm arrogant and think I know it all when you find it appropriate to make direct assumptions about me. Stop.
"The Hulk cant beat someone from the start... Juggernaut starts out stronger than Hulk, he would take him down before he got too powerful."
Yeah coz it's as simple as that when dealing with The Hulk isn't it.
Psh, some people.
Anyway....moving on....
Does anyone else have anything relevant and interesting to say?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So anyway Tron.....about the debate we were having, you know the one where things made sense? Yeah. I've said all I have to but if at some point you wanna create a thread that could potentially be as great as this, I'd gladly enter it 🙂.-AC
Well, there's no good thread I could think of right now. Although, I could always revive my Deathstroke vs. Deadpool thread.😉
That thread never got the love it deserved.😐
Juggernaut😛oor Hulk, NOTHING CAN STOP THE JUGGERNAUT!
Hulk: HULK SMASH!HULK IS THE STRONGER THERE IS!
FKZZZZATTTTTT
Galactus: Galactus smash both of you, cause nothing can stop Galactus.
The Fantastic Four(with reed targeting Galactus with the Nullifier): Ehm ehm...
Galactus: Oh yes...nothing excluding the brave FF4
FKZZZZATTTT
Galactus frie the FF4
Dr.Doom: He killed Richards!NO!Now i must find a way to obtain Big G powers and resurecct Richards then kill him.
all the X-put a group name here guys:
You must stop Galactus!
FKZZZZATTTTTTT
Wolverine: You miss me, Big G, i'm still regenerating, now i'll go berserker and cut you in half, i'm the best there is at...
FKZZZATTTT
Galactus: Is this a planet of megalomaniac?
DeadPool(dancing): I'm cursed with eternal life i cannot get wiped out cause i'm the merc with the freakin mouth!
CLANG!
Galactus put him into an adamantium cube where he can't hear what the DP says.
Thor: On guard Galactus, cause is the Lord Of Asgard that engange you!
THE MIGHTY THOR!I'm going to...
FKZZZZATTTT
Galactus: I've always hate him, big megalomaniac with blond hair and this crap helmet.
I'm THE MAN I'M THE MAN THE MAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!
G: Uh?
Lobo: Hey you, don't you know that pink and blue dresses are for chicks?
G: It's purple idiot!
CLANG
DP: Hey Ya!Now i hav someone to talk with!Fighty Time!Fighty Time
SCRLUTCH
Lobo: Now without the throath you cannot talk.
DP: I was saying FIGHTY TIME!FIGHTY TIME!
Lobo: I'll cut away my ears for eternity to avoid to hear you freakin hero!
Dr.Doom: Finally i made it.The power absorbtion rifle.I'll mae all Galactus power mine and then use it the resurrect the damn Richards and kill him.
FZZZZTTT!SMASH!
Batman: My device nullify his armor, and then a dragon kick from my kung fu training made him a sleeping child.
My plan was simply perfect, now i just have to use the device, take the power of "Big G" and resurrect the heroes(maybe not Thor, i hate his helmet)
Alfred: Mr. Bruce, the dinner is ready.
Batman: I'll save the world later.
Alfred: HAHAHA!THE POWER IS MINE!ALL MINE MINE!UH UH UH
Dr.Doom: Touchè.
CHOOOM
Dr.Doom: Now that i disintegrate that old megalomaniac, i only need to take the
CLASH
A kick throw away the rifle.
Batman: Where is Alfred?Alfred?I need the sauce for the lobster!
Dr.Doom: Alfred is dead.
Bat and DD face each other, and every one is thinking how defeat the other
Batman: I need prep time, but there aren't fanboys here
Dr.Doom: Gotta made a plan, where are the fanboys!
Few hours later, Big G devoured almost any hero on the Earth
Horse in D4.Checkmate!I WIN!
Batman win the chess challenge with Doom.
Batman:The rifle is mine!
Dr.Doom: Touchè!
FLASH!!!
Doom disappear in a flash of light.He time travel back before the chess challenge.
DD: And now the world will be mine!
Batman: Maybe not.A fanboy email me on the Bat-Computer about your time travel, and i use the time machine to travel at the moment when you were going to activate the tm, and turn off the machine.
I always have a plan Doom.Admit i'm the man.
Outerspace, the adamantium prison.
UH?WHO'S THE DEAD FVCKING MAN WHO BELIEVES TO BE THE MAN?NO ONE CAN BE THE MAN NO ONE IF NOT ME!!!!
Lobo free himself from the prison with DeadPool on his shoulders who's asking:
FIGHTY TIME?FIGHTY TIME!HEY YA!
Lobo land in Latveria, into the castle and starts to wipe the floor with Batman then asks:
WHO'S THE MAN?SOCIOPATH WITH CAPE WHO'S THE MAN?
In the meantime D-Pool kill DD causing him a brain shock cause for every sensate answer of DD comes a stupid thing from DP mouth, causing DD a massive brain shock for hearing so much stupid things.
I'M THE MAN THE MAN THE MAN!
You kill the Bat.
You kill the teapot with green cape.
Ok now who can we kill?
I'm gonna eat the entire Earth.Perfect, only some sauce and maionnaise and it would be perfect.
CRASH!
Into Latveria's castle crush Hulk and Juggernaut, that were only teleported in Africa from Galactus.
IDEA!
Hey guys, WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE WE SMASH YOU!
Hulk and Juggie charge D-Pool and Lobo that evade them and teleport them in front of Big-G mouth.
Mhhhh.What a strange smell.The earth is gamma poisoned or what?
UGHHHH!ARGGHHHH!
Galactus eat both Hulk and Juggernaut that are fighting into his stomach for the title of Stronger and Unstoppable of the year.
Big G escape in the deep of the space in pain for the battle in his stomach, searching for an asteroid were he can pull out the two big guys.
P.S. I was forgetting, finally it's a draw between Hulk and Juggie.
* tron war mashed juggie, stop saying he held his own, he didnt.
*juggie is magically endowed, alpha dont moan about this, its his power, however badly written he is, hence if he is invulnerable being written with a forcefield is ludicrous, thats how he was created. howvever there is nothing stopping juggie being hurt by a physical power able to overcome the magic of cyttorak, thus breking the spell, this is where id see hulk doing the unthinkable here.
* juggie doesnt start out that much stronger than hulk, certainly not stronger than abom, who hulk is able to trade blows with effectivly without being knocjed out every time.
* juggie therefore has nothing to harm hulk with, after all hulk is so durable he is nigh indestrucatble himself, ( he has survived atomic explosions etc) so hulk could easily be written to dominate the fighting if there ever was a fight without silly interuptions etc.
*hulk as a character has the ability to beat most heros, why would juggie not be susceptable to this. is he that major a player in the marvel world????????
* all that crap about the editor saying this or that about juggie being the strongest in the marvel world is that, crap, and certainly isnt marvels offical stand there. baring in mind one is their top muscle man character the other a bit part player who is written ful of pot holes,. after all cyttorak is not the most powerful source of magic in mu ( wars celestial magic given by apoc was more powerful and over came juggies magic) so cant be infinite, hulks strength officially grows without topping so as i said earlier hulk ould wel get so strong as to overcome cyttorak magic, and b within the boundries of both characters
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* tron war mashed juggie, stop saying he held his own, he didnt.
*juggie is magically endowed, alpha dont moan about this, its his power, however badly written he is, hence if he is invulnerable being written with a forcefield is ludicrous, thats how he was created. howvever there is nothing stopping juggie being hurt by a physical power able to overcome the magic of cyttorak, thus breking the spell, this is where id see hulk doing the unthinkable here.
* juggie doesnt start out that much stronger than hulk, certainly not stronger than abom, who hulk is able to trade blows with effectivly without being knocjed out every time.
* juggie therefore has nothing to harm hulk with, after all hulk is so durable he is nigh indestrucatble himself, ( he has survived atomic explosions etc) so hulk could easily be written to dominate the fighting if there ever was a fight without silly interuptions etc.
*hulk as a character has the ability to beat most heros, why would juggie not be susceptable to this. is he that major a player in the marvel world????????
* all that crap about the editor saying this or that about juggie being the strongest in the marvel world is that, crap, and certainly isnt marvels offical stand there. baring in mind one is their top muscle man character the other a bit part player who is written ful of pot holes,. after all cyttorak is not the most powerful source of magic in mu ( wars celestial magic given by apoc was more powerful and over came juggies magic) so cant be infinite, hulks strength officially grows without topping so as i said earlier hulk ould wel get so strong as to overcome cyttorak magic, and b within the boundries of both characters
my only quibble with the whole cyttorak thing is i have read there are other more powerful sources of power in mu, if this is true, then cyttorrak is not infinite in power, just very very powerful ( and juggie has acceess to a small fraction of it). this being the case hulk is lmitkess in strength potential based purely on his anger ( which holds no limits) should be able at some point reach a level where his power/strength is too powerful for cyttorak to protect hence why i see at some point juggie getting hurt and losing to hulk. if juggie had all of cyttoraks power then huk would need to probably start off a lot more powerful to have a chance ( probably on level with war ) . 8 th day juggie was very powerful i accept this, but i dont think cyttorak is infinite in power as there are more powerful sources out the of power
"my only quibble with the whole cyttorak thing is i have read there are other more powerful sources of power in mu, if this is true, then cyttorrak is not infinite in power, just very very powerful ( and juggie has acceess to a small fraction of it). this being the case hulk is lmitkess in strength potential based purely on his anger ( which holds no limits)"
Precisement.
-AC
Originally posted by Tough Guy
my only quibble with the whole cyttorak thing is i have read there are other more powerful sources of power in mu, if this is true, then cyttorrak is not infinite in power, just very very powerful ( and juggie has acceess to a small fraction of it). this being the case hulk is lmitkess in strength potential based purely on his anger ( which holds no limits) should be able at some point reach a level where his power/strength is too powerful for cyttorak to protect hence why i see at some point juggie getting hurt and losing to hulk. if juggie had all of cyttoraks power then huk would need to probably start off a lot more powerful to have a chance ( probably on level with war ) . 8 th day juggie was very powerful i accept this, but i dont think cyttorak is infinite in power as there are more powerful sources out the of power
Cytorak is another dimension... so in terms its not in the Marvel Universe at all.
Juggernaut could tap the power if hes in a fight with hulk... Remember, for these VS fights we release all fighting options to the competitor?
Juggernaut could easily defeat the hulk if we were allowing him acess to Cytorak, just like we can allow hulkie access to his widdle stwengths.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* tron war mashed juggie, stop saying he held his own, he didnt.
*juggie is magically endowed, alpha dont moan about this, its his power, however badly written he is, hence if he is invulnerable being written with a forcefield is ludicrous, thats how he was created. howvever there is nothing stopping juggie being hurt by a physical power able to overcome the magic of cyttorak, thus breking the spell, this is where id see hulk doing the unthinkable here.
Well, I'm looking at it right now, and I think otherwise. Difference of opinion I guess. As far as anything physically breaking Juggernaut's enchantment, that's purely your opinion, and there's nothing to back that up.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* juggie doesnt start out that much stronger than hulk, certainly not stronger than abom, who hulk is able to trade blows with effectivly without being knocjed out every time.
Who's to say how much stronger he starts out, a little or a lot, who knows. And as far as Abomination goes, that's highly debateable, but you can't say he isn't like it's an absolute fact, if you can't back it up.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* juggie therefore has nothing to harm hulk with, after all hulk is so durable he is nigh indestrucatble himself, ( he has survived atomic explosions etc) so hulk could easily be written to dominate the fighting if there ever was a fight without silly interuptions etc.
We've been through this. Anyone with the sufficient strength can hurt Hulk, as has been shown many, many times. And you seem to be conveniently forgetting Hulk #172 again. And Juggernaut can be written to dominate just as easily as Hulk, what's your point?
Originally posted by Tough Guy
*hulk as a character has the ability to beat most heros, why would juggie not be susceptable to this. is he that major a player in the marvel world????????
Juggernaut's not susceptible to it, I for one have never said that. He's not a major player, but that doesn't change the fact that he's displayed the ability to throw down with Hulk and take everything that was thrown at him, and give back plenty as well.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* all that crap about the editor saying this or that about juggie being the strongest in the marvel world is that, crap, and certainly isnt marvels offical stand there. baring in mind one is their top muscle man character the other a bit part player who is written ful of pot holes,. after all cyttorak is not the most powerful source of magic in mu ( wars celestial magic given by apoc was more powerful and over came juggies magic) so cant be infinite, hulks strength officially grows without topping so as i said earlier hulk ould wel get so strong as to overcome cyttorak magic, and b within the boundries of both characters
No one said it was in stone, but if that's their opinion, then that says a lot. And no one said Juggernaut was the strongest in the Marvel world, don't know where you got that from. And no, Cyttorak's not the most powerful being in the Marvel U (which no one's said either), but a being that can trap Galactus in his dimension commands some respect. And yeah you're half-right, War's Celestial energy (not magic, don't know where you got that from either) and the energy funneling through him from two different universes overcame it. And there's still nothing backing up your claim that Hulk could overcome Juggernaut's enchantment, especially considering that Juggernaut still hasn't touched the full potential of his power yet.
Originally posted by K3VIL
I agree.I think that Marko's ability to tap into Cyttorak powers depend on Cyttorak letting him doing it or perhaps he doesn't master a real way to do it, sometimes he can and sometimes no.If he was able to just tap into that power source he would be REALLY unstoppable.
I think you're about right about him not mastering the full extent of his power yet. But I don't think Cyttorak sits around in the Crimson Cosmos saying, "Hmmmm, I think I'll let Juggernaut have this much power tomorrow, and then bring it down in the afternoon." I believe it's just an enchantment, he has the power and that's that. I doubt Cyttorak bothers worrying about it, although I do think he can easily take the power back if he chooses.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
my only quibble with the whole cyttorak thing is i have read there are other more powerful sources of power in mu, if this is true, then cyttorrak is not infinite in power, just very very powerful ( and juggie has acceess to a small fraction of it). this being the case hulk is lmitkess in strength potential based purely on his anger ( which holds no limits) should be able at some point reach a level where his power/strength is too powerful for cyttorak to protect hence why i see at some point juggie getting hurt and losing to hulk. if juggie had all of cyttoraks power then huk would need to probably start off a lot more powerful to have a chance ( probably on level with war ) . 8 th day juggie was very powerful i accept this, but i dont think cyttorak is infinite in power as there are more powerful sources out the of power
Yeah, there are more powerful sources in Marvel, doesn't mean Cyttorak isn't powerful himself. And yeah Juggernaut only has a fraction, but just how much is a fraction? Judging by 8th Day, I'd say plenty and then some, which Juggernaut still hasn't learned to reach yet, but it's there. And you're kinda trying to put logic against Juggernaut's power, which is more or less a mistake. Remember, his powers mystical, and magic and logic don't mix. Magic doesn't need to make sense, it just has to work. As said, Cyttorak's not the most powerful thing out there, but he's still more than powerful enough for Juggernaut to put Hulk down. And there's still the question of just how far Hulk has to go before he tips the scales well in his favor.