Juggernaut or The Hulk?

lol. "Stand by it" all you like, but if Juggernaut was "immune" to physical damage, Hulk would never beat him. But that isn't the case, is it? Marvel doesn't say Juggernaut has "infinite durability." Cyttorak isn't even infinite. Marvel does say Hulk's strength is limitless, and it has been shown throughout his comics.

And for the last time it is NOT ANGER that makes Hulk stronger. It is ADRENALINE. Very small amounts of adrenaline cause monumental growth in Hulk's strength. Hulk's form very gradually increases in size as he becomes angrier. This is evident throughout his comics. This would allow him to hold limitless amounts of adrenaline, and allow him to become infinitely strong. I don't see what's so hard to understand. Hulk could become infinitely more powerful than Juggernaut. None of Juggernauts abilities can increase. His strength, durability, speed, etc. is "as is."

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
And for the last time it is NOT ANGER that makes Hulk stronger. It is ADRENALINE. Very small amounts of adrenaline cause monumental growth in Hulk's strength. Hulk's form very gradually increases in size as he becomes angrier. This is evident throughout his comics.

You learn something every day.

What do the various forms of Hulk have anything to do with this debate?

We're talking about the Hulk we're all familiar with. If you haven't picked that up by the 106th page of this thread, you're a little slow.

-AC

I was talking about the size of the Hulk, my dear Distant Star. I just read here that Hulk increases (or decreases) in size according to his adrenaline. That's funny, because I never noticed such a thing in the comics.

I only see the same Hulk incarnations (for example savage Hulk) bigger and smaller according to the artist, not the adrenaline. Some draw savage Hulk big, some artists draw him not that big. His size and height have absolutely nothing to do with adrenaline, but everything with the personal preference - and talent - of the artist.

That's all folks. Say no to drugs.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I only see the same Hulk incarnations (for example savage Hulk) bigger and smaller according to the artist, not the adrenaline. Some draw savage Hulk big, some artists draw him not that big. His size and height have absolutely nothing to do with adrenaline, but everything with the personal preference - and talent - of the artist.

I noticed that too with Wolverine right after his body rejected the adamantium that Genesis was enforcing in him. He sometimes looked as small as Mole from the Morlocks or larger than Beast.

As to the evaluation of Hulk (w/o the brain of Bruce), would it be possible for Juggernaut (if capable) to sing him calm? He did occasionally show a curious, sometimes childlike side of him when not in action.

'As to the evaluation of Hulk (w/o the brain of Bruce), would it be possible for Juggernaut (if capable) to sing him calm? He did occasionally show a curious, sometimes childlike side of him when not in action.'

Stand up, walk slowly out of the thread, and let us never speak of this again.

This was never addressed to you and second, shouldn't be taken seriously as I don't think Juggernaut would resonate anything to be considered smoothly.

If you think Hulk is just a mindless monster, then you just lost his character and you just killed Rick Jones. He doesn't destroy everything and sometimes, he just wanted to be left alone.

Oh my god... I give up. There mustve been some reason somewhere I heard Juggernaut is invulnreble and cant be killed... Hmm lets see... Maybe because the magic of cyttorak keeps his spirit alive on the brink of death?
You can beat the heavenly hell out of Juggernaut and kill him, he'll wake up the next morning.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do the various forms of Hulk have anything to do with this debate?

We're talking about the Hulk we're all familiar with. If you haven't picked that up by the 106th page of this thread, you're a little slow.

-AC

well if you are talking about the popular savage hulk, his weaker incarnation "the professor" hulk faired much better than he did, which doesnt help your arguements any 😉

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
but if Juggernaut was "immune" to physical damage, Hulk would never beat him. But that isn't the case, is it?

actually it IS the case. hulk running on his own fuel has never defeated juggernaut 😉 i believe this is the part where you stick your foot... in your mouth.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Marvel doesn't say Juggernaut has "infinite durability." Cyttorak isn't even infinite.

how do you know what cyttorak is, or isnt??? do you even know anything about him??? i doubt you have ever read any thing about him in comics... have you ever seen a bio on cyttorak??? i doubt it... how do you know if hes "limitless" or not.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Marvel does say Hulk's strength is limitless, and it has been shown throughout his comics.

show me WHERE marvel says hulk has absolute completely unsurpassable strength 😉

"show me WHERE marvel says hulk has absolute completely unsurpassable strength "

Look, whether anybody likes it or not. It's pretty much comic knowledge that Hulk has limitless strength. It's his calling card for crying out loud. Just like Spider-Man has web. Let's not get too literal here and too picky. That is just a given, everybody knows (even though not everybody accepts) that Hulk has limitless strength.

-AC

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* tron, prove to me then that a being whose infinite physical power reaches such a level that being cannot overide the magic of cyttorak which is not infinite as we all seem to agree there being more powerful magic /powers etc around, and harm juggie.

Prove to me he can. Until then, I have to say that the individual that survived becoming a walking, talking, fighting skeleton WHILE depowered greatly, isn't gonna have his powers physically overridden by anyone, including Hulk.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
lol. "Stand by it" all you like, but if Juggernaut was "immune" to physical damage, Hulk would never beat him. But that isn't the case, is it? Marvel doesn't say Juggernaut has "infinite durability." Cyttorak isn't even infinite. Marvel does say Hulk's strength is limitless, and it has been shown throughout his comics.

And for the last time it is NOT ANGER that makes Hulk stronger. It is ADRENALINE. Very small amounts of adrenaline cause monumental growth in Hulk's strength. Hulk's form very gradually increases in size as he becomes angrier. This is evident throughout his comics. This would allow him to hold limitless amounts of adrenaline, and allow him to become infinitely strong. I don't see what's so hard to understand. Hulk could become infinitely more powerful than Juggernaut. None of Juggernauts abilities can increase. His strength, durability, speed, etc. is "as is."

Hulk still has yet to gain a win against Juggernaut by physical damage alone, so what's your point?

And, you may be right, Juggernaut's powers may be "as is". But, still, who knows just how powerful he truly is when at his max? Wherever that may be.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Tron and maybe 2 others are the only people voting for Juggernaut and actually posting without becoming fanboys.

The only ones vehemently voting for Juggernaut are fanboys who post the same thing every single time. The ones voting for Hulk are even still proving that he'd win by makin sense and posting new things each time. I think that alone displays the winner.

-AC

Slow down now, this thread has more than it's share of Hulk fanboys as well, way more than Juggernaut, and there's only a small handful that are putting up any kind fo debate, rather than the ones who keep saying the same thing over and over without really backing it up.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
hulk is regarded as having boundless strength in mu, juggie according to this hread, boundless strength and invulnerability and forcefields all on an infinite power battery. now hulk is unlimited in strength as his character is defined on really bing able to do whatever is necassary should the story dictate it. im not sure that as cyttorak is not the most powerful u can define it as infinite, hulk only has a physical attribute that has no limit, not some magic powering up so that your guy is indestructable. im not sure that cyttorak really is regarded as infinite, and shouldnt be as there are others more powerful, no one is stronger potentially than hulk on a PHYICAL level, not even galactus , hell hes got power beyond belief but hulk theoretically can be physically as strong then stronger than anyone if pissed off. hence why i believe that cyttorak will only protect juggie from physical harm till there is someone able to negate cyttoraks magic by being that powerful on a physical level, hence why i see hulk more than capable of being written to hurt, or maim juggie should the story require this without breaking any character boundries

Are you saying that Hulk could beat Galactus, the guy who creates guys who can fight and beat Hulk on their own, AGAIN?!!

Actually I think Tough Guy has some excellent points...

As he stated...Hulk is characterized as one of those unique characters...breaking the unbreakable..lifting the unliftable...so yeah..I think it would fall within the guidelines of his character to do what many others can't do..stopping/Ko'ing the Juggernaut with pure physical force....

I wouldn't agree with Hulk being stronger than Galactus, however, none the less I think what many people fail to realize is the fact that much like Hulk..Juggernaut has limits to his abilities...Hell..even Marvel states this...

I agree that Juggernaut is a tough cuss..one of the toughest around..few can handle him in a one on one physical battle..
but again..I believe that the Hulk definately represents one of those very few..

I don't think it would be to far fetched..based on previous encounters between the two..for the Hulk to be able to summon up enough strength to overcome the Juggernaut from a physical standpoint...regardless of whatever mystical enchantment he has granting him "extrodinary resistance"(yes resistance..not invulnerability look it up on the MU website..) to physical injury...

"Slow down now, this thread has more than it's share of Hulk fanboys as well, way more than Juggernaut, and there's only a small handful that are putting up any kind fo debate, rather than the ones who keep saying the same thing over and over without really backing it up."

There's a difference between a fanboy who says the same thing over and over and over again with an added slyness to get his "guy" out of trouble and a fanboy saying the same thing which actually happens to be true.

I'm not denying there are Hulk fanboys but it's like Victor Von Doom said, it's like Chinese Whispers.

Juggernaut's most renown, known and associable accolade is that he is "unstoppable". Which isn't even true, so why would all of these accolades sneakily given to him by the likes of Dragon, JugFan and others be any truer?

-AC

glactus should never be mentioned in the same sentence as the hulk even though if they were to meet some muckity muck writer will make him win/walk away and live to tell about it. 😄

side note but, galactus is so beyond mortal comprehension that regular eyes percieve as they see themselves. meaning that, if he appeared before the skrulls he'll look like a big giant skrull, humans big giant human so forth.

N E hoo its really difficult to say. hulk just works off pure berserker rage. and only goes apeshit when phucked with. unfrtunatley its been gys stupid enuff to provoke him, but thats the only time he gets to put work in.

juggy on the other hand is a guy with more fighting experience cuz he goes out looking for trouble(for most of his post human existence). even after he beat cytorrak, and was subsequently depowered. cytorrak tried to get even by making a little kid his new avatar, and gave him the full juggernaut powers, and the depowered juggy still whooped "punk kid" ass.

again the word versatility will get thrown around. contrary to popular belief juggy does have a forcefield that he keeps up 24/7. he can even bolster its impentirablness by means of will power. but still his regular fortified skin and muscle is pretty durable.

i believe hulk would be able to knock him around left right and center, but i believe that he would clap back just as venomously

all in all i might must call it a draw

"Ummm, when did Juggernaut ever lose to Dazzler? Or Rogue? And Spider-Man won out of shear luck, and one hell of a plot device (cement pit)."

How can a cement pit be too much for the unstoppable, invincible, invulnerable Juggernaut to overcome yet he can somehow brawl with the strongest living being on the planet, The Hulk? Lemme guess, bad writing? Imposternaut? One of those other lame excuses? Or just because in reality, he's not that good?

For the hard of understanding, Hulk is stronger than cement.

-AC

HULK SMASH!

Heheh. Hulk over Juggernaut anyday.

Go ahead and call me a fanboy becuase I have Hulk in my sig, and then take a trip to see my take on the Magneto Vs Hulk thread.

Originally posted by radioboy121
This was never addressed to you and second, shouldn't be taken seriously as I don't think Juggernaut would resonate anything to be considered smoothly.

If you think Hulk is just a mindless monster, then you just lost his character and you just killed Rick Jones. He doesn't destroy everything and sometimes, he just wanted to be left alone.

Yeah. Like when he walks at the end of the film, to the sad music.