Originally posted by Unstoppable
"Sorry, if a Celestial ever crossed paths with the Juggernaut, he'd kick him like a field goal into the sun like he wasn't even there.no force "on earth" can stop Juggernaut. A celestial would physicall rip that crystal right out of his chest, show it to him, clean it up, show it to him again, and then add it to a wedding ring for his Celestial wife.
Don't go saying that a Celestial could NOT stop him if you don't have proof to back it up."
I recommend you read the posts. I never said nobody could [b]stop
the Juggernaut. In fact, I myself said that a fight with the Hulk, would probably end up with the Juggernaut being punched into space if he couldn't incapacitate the Hulk quickly enough (before his strength rose sufficiently). Is that so hard to understand?Nothing has ever physically stopped the Juggernaut. The only thing that has, was Thor's Godforce - the force which obliterated the protective dome of a Celestial (funny, how the force which could lambast the protections of the very Celestials you are toting around on your shoulders merely made the Juggernaut say, and I quote "That tickles!"😉. Now, before our resident know-it-all comes chiming in with, "THOR IS NOT FROM EARTH!!!!111111111111one11!", let me clearly state - Thor could not physically stop the Juggernaut. That is because Thor, Galactus, Celestials, and whatever other cosmic/godlike being you can think of, when manifest on this plane of existence, are in physical form. Thor, using physical force - due to his physical form - could not impede the Juggernaut from moving forward.
By your very own logic, you've defeated yourself. Why should this inability to stop the Juggernaut by Thor not extend to every single physical manifestation of other god/cosmic beings out there? Here's the answer, in case you couldn't come up with one before the veins in your forehead exploded - it shouldn't.
That's all I have to say, really. You can't physically harm the Juggernaut. The only time this has happened was in a very dicey, error-filled storyline in which they severely weakened the character in question in order to give credibility to a plot device character. And the means by which he suffered the blow is of course, questionable to anyone who isn't extremely biased - being that Onslaught (who by the way, IS in fact terrestrial, considering he is born of two mortal minds, thank you very much) - is entirely psionic in nature.
I was never arguing in the first place that the Juggernaut was as strong as the Hulk. I've stated this many times, very clearly. He's not. The Hulk is potentially, the strongest being in the Marvel Universe. Period.
I also enjoy the fact that well over half my points brought up concerning the Juggernaut were overlooked, in favor of perhaps the worst single piece of evidence against him - the pile of crap known crossover known as "Onslaught".
"Ta," [/B]
I reccommend you stop feltching rat excrement out of your male partner's nether regions before I grow weary of you fanboyism.
"by your very own logic" shut it! I didn't use logic when i posted that comment. I used the same amount of thought that you did when you made your donkey ass claim about a celestial not being able to stop Juggernaut or Beyonder's universe destroying blast being able to phase him.
By my logic you need to stop making fanboy claims that fling from your rat pellot spewing mouth. You have no proof of your claim and your meager attempt to break down a statement that I made proves nothing.
Toting around on my shoulders...please. Just because my life isn't the result of 12 hours a week in a comic store like you doesn't mean I tote around someone character as if it were in some way a reflection of how i see myself.
Not all of us can be "unstoppable" like you....but let's just hope that by trying out best....we can reach your level of unstoppableness!!!!!!!
By your very own logic, you've defeated yourself. Why should this inability to stop the Juggernaut by Thor not extend to every single physical manifestation of other god/cosmic beings out there? Here's the answer, in case you couldn't come up with one before the veins in your forehead exploded - it shouldn't.
sorry i had to come back for this one because i really couldn't let the fact that you sound like a complete ass clown go away without letting you know it.
how did i "defeat myself" exactly? I didn't know i was playing one-on-one. and i don't see any way for you to possibly grab my short comment and twist it to contradict myself. Let go of your grandpa's medical marijuana....he needs it more than you.
Quit trying to flex your 13 year old brain in front of bigs kids little boy, you aren't impressing anyone with your pitiful attempt at being witty.
Read what I type before you go making donkey comments. And remember. NO FAKE SHAKES!
Originally posted by NeverThe Hulk has a limit? Is that why profiles say that his strength is limitless?
Yes, he has a limit, of course he has. Really, couldn't care less what his "profile" says.
His limit is not known, that's for certain, but actually being limitless ?
So, let's see if I get this straight : according to the "limitless-theory" the Hulk should be able to throw Jupiter across our solar system ? He could become millions of times stronger than the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Asgard together ? He could fart Thanos away ?
Mind you, it's not me who's claiming this nonsense, it's just logical thinking : if his strength is really without limits, he should be able to pull all of those things of. He just has to become mad enough...
Yeah right... anyhow, IF that theory is correct (ahem), would somebody please explain me how it's possible he gets his ass kicked so many times ? Also explain me why Onslaught was holding his own (and more) against an EXTREMELY mad Hulk ?
LoL, erm again, it has been stated sooooooo many times that Hulk is the strongest there is so I have NO clue how that is considered bad writing.
Yup, it has been said hundreds of times that Hulk is indeed the strongest there is. Especially by the modest and unpretentious Hulk himself 😉.
The Incredible Hulk #457: The Juggernaut comes crashing down at the Hulk, dressed as War under Apocalypse's control, and hits him and keeps pushing him backwards. Until the Hulk manages to stop the Juggernaut from pushing him any further, then a coil from the Hulk's armor snakes out and wraps around the Juggernaut's leg. The Hulk throws him around and then sends him flying away. The Juggernaut lands in a mosque and as the Hulk comes leaping down onto him, the Juggernaut hits him and sends him flying across the street. The Juggernaut and Hulk continue to fight until the Hulk finally beats the Juggernaut down. The Hulk takes his sword and flips the Juggernaut's helmet off. He's about to behead the Juggernaut when the Absorbing Man comes crashing down on him. After the Hulk accidently sends Rick Jones flying into a brick wall and leaps away from the pain, the Juggernaut grabs his helmet. He and the Absorbing Man take the Hulk's sword which he left behind and agree to take Rick Jones and Janis to a hospital and then take the sword back to the New World Order.
and thats what happened
what the hell are u talkin bout the his helmit is latched on u can take it off manually thats why the x men had to always get it off before prof x could attack his mind and y does it matter if someone was controlling his mind that should be a disadvantage for the hulk cause if he was in his savage mode his strengh would just keep increasing the hulk is way tougher than juggernaut he was actually able to last for a while in the fight with onslaught but juggernaut sure didnt onslaught just riped the crystal out of his chest no prob so that should show hom much of a pussy he is
Originally posted by who?-kid
Yes, he has a limit, of course he has. Really, couldn't care less what his "profile" says.His limit is not known, that's for certain, but actually being limitless ?
LoL. The profile says "limitless" yet you say he has a limit? The profiles as agreed to by Marvel's editors - yet you say he has a limit? Guess who is waaaaaaaaaay more credible? Since the profile says it (and has consistently said so) I could not care less what you say about it.
So, let's see if I get this straight : according to the "limitless-theory" the Hulk should be able to throw Jupiter across our solar system ?
Aside from the simple physics that prevent anyone Hulk's size from dreaming of "picking up" a planet the size of Jupiter - pursuant to his profile, if he is angry enough, he can move it. Superboy has moved planetS. Notice the "s" as in "plural."
He could become millions of times stronger than the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Asgard together ? He could fart Thanos away ?
Not sure what the proportion is (anger to strength) but pursuant to his profile, his strength is limited by his capacity for anger.
Mind you, it's not me who's claiming this nonsense, it's just logical thinking : if his strength is really without limits, he should be able to pull all of those things of. He just has to become mad enough...
That's what his profile says.
Yeah right... anyhow, IF that theory is correct (ahem), would somebody please explain me how it's possible he gets his ass kicked so many times ? Also explain me why Onslaught was holding his own (and more) against an EXTREMELY mad Hulk ?
Uh, ever seen a big ass bully get his ass handed to him by a much smaller, much weaker opponent? Hmm, I wonder why? Fighting SKILLS? Ever see Hulk amongst the best h2h combatants? No. When was strength the only important variable in a streetfight? Why does Gladiator get his ass kicked so often when he is allegedly amongst the strongest? Why does Galactus get turned back so often? Why does Silver Surfer lose so much? Strategy? Being "out thought?" Out-hustled?
Onslaught "held" him until he got angry enough, apparently. Then Hulk cracked open his armor. I distinctly recall Jean "turning off" Banner in Savage Hulk, thus releasing Mindless Hulk (who "logically" has a higher anger threshold).
Ironclad did the same thing (U-Foe who can increase his density to unknown levels). Hulk gets angry, Hulk lifts Ironclad, and tosses his ass.
Yup, it has been said hundreds of times that Hulk is indeed the strongest there is. Especially by the modest and unpretentious Hulk himself 😉.
And the editor approved it.
LoL, has had his helmet knocked off PLENTY of times. Hardly impossible or even nearly impossible.
leatherface, were u asking me to scan some pics and show u proof of juggernaut getting hurt by nightcrawler, when he hit him with a torch?...it was way back in issue 102 in Banshee's castle, the fight between the new x-men (wolverine storm colossus nightcrawler) with Banshee and juggernaut with black tom...Colossus knocked Jugs on his ass in that issue too....another demonstration of Jugs getting stopped...not new post onslaught juggernaut, but classis jugs, again i think this issue came out in 1975....so it is pretty old school juggernaut as it gets....its not really worth my time to scan it...if ur not familiar with the issue then u need to read some more comics and learn more about juggernaut before u start to claim he's unbeatable
Originally posted by SUPERMANDAMAN
The Incredible Hulk #457: The Juggernaut comes crashing down at the Hulk, dressed as War under Apocalypse's control, and hits him and keeps pushing him backwards. Until the Hulk manages to stop the Juggernaut from pushing him any further, then a coil from the Hulk's armor snakes out and wraps around the Juggernaut's leg. The Hulk throws him around and then sends him flying away. The Juggernaut lands in a mosque and as the Hulk comes leaping down onto him, the Juggernaut hits him and sends him flying across the street. The Juggernaut and Hulk continue to fight until the Hulk finally beats the Juggernaut down. The Hulk takes his sword and flips the Juggernaut's helmet off. He's about to behead the Juggernaut when the Absorbing Man comes crashing down on him. After the Hulk accidently sends Rick Jones flying into a brick wall and leaps away from the pain, the Juggernaut grabs his helmet. He and the Absorbing Man take the Hulk's sword which he left behind and agree to take Rick Jones and Janis to a hospital and then take the sword back to the New World Order.and thats what happened
wow, this is outta hand. nobody want to give any ground, nobody want to listen to reason or anything else for that matter. it's ok to accept "hulk is the strongest one there is" said from hulks own moutj, but it's not ok to accept "nothing can stop me" from juggernaut's mouth. i've been over this issue previously. cyttorak has given the use of the crimson bands of cyttorak, not only to juggernaut but to doctor strange also. historically, the bands had held hulk, hulk was unable to break free. but using the other-dimensional energy, when strange cast the spell hulk shattered them like they were nothing. the bands are based on the laws of main marvels reality. the other dimensional energy that hulk summoned around his body negated the use of those bands. he then stopped juggernaut cold. no gradual slow down, just plane stopped him. it wasn't because of his physical strength. how do you people not understand this?? also, the blast that was supposed to kill beyonder..... it's a toss up if it would have taken juggernaut out. juggernaut can only sustain as much punishment as the reality around him, since that's what the magics that protect him are based on. the blast was supposed to take out *1 3rd of the universe*. so it's hard to say what would have happened. to many variables to say one way or the other. also back to onslaught pulling the gem out of juggernauts chest *sigh*..... could anybody show me a picture of the gem ever previously being in juggernauts chest?? or explain to me how it even got there??? well i have an explanation for you. i suggest you all go back and READ the issue, and pay attention to detail. the gem was never under his sternum, but onslaughts physchic myst had manifested, and the background itself had changed. this would imply that it wasn't a physical attack what-so-ever. it was done to subdue cain marko TELEPATHICALLY. something he could not do to hulk. the next time we see cain, his consciousness was trapped within the gem..... the first battle was not shown...........