Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If it's durability you're looking for Who-Kid, lets not forget that Juggernaut has magical armour. Hulk has skin. He stills takes all the same shit Juggernaut does and keeps coming.-AC
Juggernaut can take punches from Mjolnir without effort, without being hurt, though Hulk will certainly feel Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Mane
on their normal levels they are, but Hulk can easily surpass Marko in strength
i have put this arguement to rest a billion times...... hulk in any incarnation/form (except war hulk) has never proven stronger than juggernaut.
i think you should check into hulk #172.
hulk was said to be on the verge of insanity with rage, but wasn't any stronger than juggernaut. call me crazy but on the virge of insanity is pretty damn mad......... of coarse it was bad writing (or people on this forum will say) because it was juggernaut that did it. so how exactly can hulk "easily surpass" marko in strength???
did you know that juggernaut has much more power than he uses??? he once grew to a height of 50 - 100 ft tall, and was punching through dimensional barriers. historically, his strength and powers grew in proportion to his height...... so that would put him, leagues above hulks strength.
"so how exactly can hulk "easily surpass" marko in strength???
did you know that juggernaut has much more power than he uses??? he once grew to a height of 50 - 100 ft tall, and was punching through dimensional barriers. historically, his strength and powers grew in proportion to his height...... so that would put him, leagues above hulks strength."
Haha. Saying it like Hulk has maxed out his strength. Hulk has infinate strength and that's been established. So theoretically he can match anyone. Growing to 100foot would mean he was as tall as Galactus at some stage. A bit farfetched even for a comic, for a character such as Juggernaut to be like that. Hulk's strength and durability increase in proportion to his anger and anger has no limit because emotion is infinate. So..........around we go again.
It baffles me that one two/three peoples remarks have somehow put Juggernaut in Hulk's league.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Haha. Saying it like Hulk has maxed out his strength. Hulk has infinate strength and that's been established. So theoretically he can match anyone. Growing to 100foot would mean he was as tall as Galactus at some stage. A bit farfetched even for a comic, for a character such as Juggernaut to be like that. Hulk's strength and durability increase in proportion to his anger and anger has no limit because emotion is infinate. So..........around we go again.It baffles me that one two/three peoples remarks have somehow put Juggernaut in Hulk's league.
-AC
i didn't say that hulk maxed out his strength. but you make it seem like hulk just has unlimited strength. no getting mad about it. he was raging for nearly 2 days, and fought an army batallion, and then was witnessing juggernaut trying to kill a passing family....... all making him mad. but he wasnt stronger than juggernaut. so had the fight been taking place for all that time, he would have been even less formidable against him...... its funny how just 1 person ( alpha centauri ) tries to make it seem like hulk is the best there is, and he can't be beaten by anybody.......
but he could get beat by juggernaut. juggernaut is more than capable of holding his own.
Juggernaut - IS - in hulks league.
Juggernaut was tall enough so that wolverine had fallin into one of the holes in his helmet..... he was as tall as galactus in that issue, if not taller....... whats your point?? everything that has to do with juggernaut performing a feat of strength, or winning, in your eyes is bad writing, because you do not want to accept the facts.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It baffles me that one two/three peoples remarks have somehow put Juggernaut in Hulk's league.
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
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but he could get beat by juggernaut. juggernaut is more than capable of holding his own.Juggernaut - IS - in hulks league.
Anybody who can hold his own against a mad Hulk and who can cause Hulk serious trouble, is of course in Hulks league. Duh.
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
did you know that juggernaut has much more power than he uses??? he once grew to a height of 50 - 100 ft tall, and was punching through dimensional barriers. historically, his strength and powers grew in proportion to his height...... so that would put him, leagues above hulks strength.
Stop right there.
How many times has Juggernaut grown to 50 ft in size? OK, so THAT is just poor writing....
Hulk bracing a 150 billion ton mountain range? Poor writing.
Throw those two out of the arguement....
Juggernaut is near indestructable, what Hulk does to him doesn't really phase him. So it's safe to say he's more durable than Hulk.
Hulk's inability to hurt someone who doesn't get hurt by physical attacks does not instantly mean Juggernaut is as strong as Hulk....sorry!
Hulk has proven many many times through different displays of strength that he is stronger than Juggernaut. Can Juggernaut jump out of the atmosphere? NO Did he crack Onslaught's armor? No.
Can he take what Hulk deals out to him? Yes Can he wear Hulk down with is physical ability and strength? Yes.
The fight goes either way. I AM a Hulk fan more than a Cain Marko fan, but I'd say Juggernaut would probably win the fight. In a fight to the death? Probably Hulk due to some writers bias towards the good guy.
Either way...it'd be a great mini series spin off where they fought to the death....as long as it stayed out of continuity...
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Hulk's inability to hurt someone who doesn't get hurt by physical attacks does not instantly mean Juggernaut is as strong as Hulk....sorry!Hulk has proven many many times through different displays of strength that he is stronger than Juggernaut. Can Juggernaut jump out of the atmosphere? NO Did he crack Onslaught's armor? No.
STOP RIGHT THERE.... see you are looking at this wrong. the only test of physical strength that you have to compare to each other is.... just that. each other. hulk has had more of a chance to prove himself, because he has his own ongoing series. whereas juggernaut does not....so how exactly has hulk proven he is stronger??
when have you ever seen juggernaut incapable of physically doing something??? he was depleted of his power, and was still hurtling buses through top floors in tall building and clean out the other side.... he then used the corners of the office buildings like they were baseball bats. all while not showing any signs of struggling. this is in a depleted level of power..............
i guess you can also compare them by who they have each previously fought......
thing..... hulk generally has trouble at first, juggernaut knocks him out in 3 punchs
rhino..... generally gives him trouble, but imposternaut easily knocks him out....
thor..... hulk is more often equal to thor, rather than being superior to him. juggernaut and thor have had less battles, and its murky at best, as to who is stronger/more powerful. but usually thor has some trick up his sleave (teleportation, or negation of magical energies) that even the playing field......
onslaught....... juggernaut did not physically fight onslaught, he was telepathically assaulted (he got lazy just this once, and decided to leave his helmet behind). hulk and onslaught physically battled. apples and oranges my friend.
Rhino gives Hulk trouble?
Ummm...DON'T....THINK.....SO..
Even after getting upgraded or whatever increase he got, Hulk still beat the day lights out of Rhino. And has beaten the crap out of him every time.
How many times has Hulk fought Thing? ummmm.....A LOT! It's supposed to be a Classic Marvel battle. What good would a classic battle be if one guy turned the other into a rag doll.
Interesting how Hulk can stand toe to toe with Juggernaut, but struggle with Thing. And Juggernaut can stand toe to toe with Hulk, and win in 3 punches.
any rematch of Jugg vs. Thing....you would see Juggernaut go back and forth with Thing and "give him trouble" just the same as the Hulk. Obviously Juggs would win...but in that fight, Thing didn't even get to swing a punch. Even Venom (pre-mercury) put up a better fight than that.
"but you make it seem like hulk just has unlimited strength. no getting mad about it. he was raging for nearly 2 days, and fought an army batallion, and then was witnessing juggernaut trying to kill a passing family....... all making him mad. but he wasnt stronger than juggernaut. so had the fight been taking place for all that time, he would have been even less formidable against him...... its funny how just 1 person ( alpha centauri ) tries to make it seem like hulk is the best there is, and he can't be beaten by anybody......."
Go find the quote where I said Hulk can't be beaten by anybody. Please. I wanna see it. I also wanna see where I said Hulk is the best there is. I'll give you....say....forever to find it. You wont though, coz I didn't say such things. Hulk has POTENTIALLY unlimited strength and I have said I know he can't use it when calm but alot of people have the misconception that he needs time. He doesn't.
"but he could get beat by juggernaut. juggernaut is more than capable of holding his own. "
I don't agree with the first part. The second I agree with.
"Juggernaut was tall enough so that wolverine had fallin into one of the holes in his helmet..... he was as tall as galactus in that issue, if not taller....... whats your point?? everything that has to do with juggernaut performing a feat of strength, or winning, in your eyes is bad writing, because you do not want to accept the facts....."
I have an idea JuggernautFAN, lets not...no seriously hear me out. Lets not assume.....what I think. How about that? Lets give that a whirl. Juggernaut can kick major ass and he's one of my favourite villains. Has been for ages, however beating Hulk is out of his reach. My point about making him AS TALL AS GALACTUS was that it was a bit silly. Coz it is. If it happened to Hulk you would be on it like a dog on heat.
"but somehow, some way, there are a few silly people out there that think hulk is just too good."
Before you go calling anyone silly, we should do well to remember your claim of "Hulk has 0% chance of beating Juggernaut". So yeah, possibly the dumbest quote in this thread and you have the gaul to imply that I'm silly for things I haven't even said.
"The fight goes either way. I AM a Hulk fan more than a Cain Marko fan, but I'd say Juggernaut would probably win the fight. In a fight to the death? Probably Hulk due to some writers bias towards the good guy."
Lest we forget Hulk, if anything, is technically neutral.
"hulk has had more of a chance to prove himself, because he has his own ongoing series. whereas juggernaut does not....so how exactly has hulk proven he is stronger?? "
You said yourself you own every Juggernaut appearance. Own every Hulk appearance and then you can make a safe comparison.
"thing..... hulk generally has trouble at first, juggernaut knocks him out in 3 punchs
rhino..... generally gives him trouble, but imposternaut easily knocks him out....
thor..... hulk is more often equal to thor, rather than being superior to him. juggernaut and thor have had less battles, and its murky at best, as to who is stronger/more powerful. but usually thor has some trick up his sleave (teleportation, or negation of magical energies) that even the playing field......
onslaught....... juggernaut did not physically fight onslaught, he was telepathically assaulted (he got lazy just this once, and decided to leave his helmet behind). hulk and onslaught physically battled. apples and oranges my friend."
Juggernaut/Hulk Vs Thing= This could come down to wanting to get readers rallying against the villain by beating on the blue-eyed favourite. Hulk and Thing have more fans than Juggernaut so it's gonna be a more even fight. If of course your good guy favouritism thing is still relevant to you.
Juggernaut/Hulk Vs Rhino= Juggernaut has beaten him. So has Hulk. So has Spider-Man. Irrelevant opponent.
Juggernaut/Hulk Vs Thor= Thor has beaten Juggernaut. Thor gives Hulk all he's got and it does jack for the most part.
Juggernaut/Hulk Vs Onslaught= Left his helmet behind eh? Funny that coz when Juggernaut is laying at the bottom of the crater after being hurled across the US. He had his helmet on when he was discovered. He didn't call UPS to have it mailed. He wore it when he fought Onslaught and got the shit kicked out of him. Hulk ripped open his armour and put an end to his terror.
-AC