Originally posted by DinalfosCheap trick he attacked him. Hulk was then down and was talking about how Hulk has gotten knocked down before but he always gets back and then tries to hit cain to no effect Cain then Kicks him which hurts him. Honestly I see Hulk pretty much getting owned with the exception of two blows both times Hulk didn't do anything to Cain that Cain didn't get back up from and even still when Hulk overpowered him all he did was grab the helemt from behind then toss Juggs as Juggs was binding over seems more liek Hulk caught him by surprise then actually overpowering him. Then he goes to leave when Cain get back up.
Huh? Hulk's first act was stopping a charging Juggernaut in his tracks. From behind, even. Juggernaut then hit him over a mountain, which left him unscathed. As did Juggernaut's second charge(which was a full charge since he shattered a mountain along the way). After Juggernaut attacked an unsuspecting Hulk(who only wanted the fight to end) from above, Hulk hit him. Juggernaut kicked him down and tried to break his neck, but got overpowered.I'd say the match was fairly even, until Hulk overpowered him at least for that moment. Despite Juggernaut's cheap trick.
I also think that a big note needs to be taken that Cain was seemingly not really being seriously. It seems like he never really thought he was in over his head he seemed to be talking more about how he wanted Hulk to be his partner but oh well who cares I'm just gonna kill you now mentaility.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Well, there's also the difference between villain and hero. The reason Hulk never directly defeats, say, Thing is because nobody likes to see a classic battle like that end in one punch. Hell, I as a Hulk-fan wouldn't want to see that. My poin is that it doesn't mean much.
"It doesnt mean much"
Originally posted by newjak86
Cheap trick he attacked him. Hulk was then down and was talking about how Hulk has gotten knocked down before but he always gets back and then tries to hit cain to no effect Cain then Kicks him which hurts him. Honestly I see Hulk pretty much getting owned with the exception of two blows both times Hulk didn't do anything to Cain that Cain didn't get back up from and even still when Hulk overpowered him all he did was grab the helemt from behind then toss Juggs as Juggs was binding over seems more liek Hulk caught him by surprise then actually overpowering him. Then he goes to leave when Cain get back up.I also think that a big note needs to be taken that Cain was seemingly not really being seriously. It seems like he never really thought he was in over his head he seemed to be talking more about how he wanted Hulk to be his partner but oh well who cares I'm just gonna kill you now mentaility.
He attacked him when he was completely calm/unsuspecting. A sufficient blow CAN knock the Hulk down if he's in that state. But like I said, Hulk didn't feel like fighting and when he become pissed, he overpowered him. Regardless of what the panel looked like, it was accompanied by the classic text "the madder Hulk gets....". That means that the panel was meant to show the Hulk overpowering him. Either way, it takes strength to pull someone who is extremely strong himself overhead with only four fingers.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
He attacked him when he was completely calm/unsuspecting. A sufficient blow CAN knock the Hulk down if he's in that state. But like I said, Hulk didn't feel like fighting and when he become pissed, he overpowered him. Regardless of what the panel looked like, it was accompanied by the classic text "the madder Hulk gets....". That means that the panel was meant to show the Hulk overpowering him. Either way, it takes strength to pull someone who is extremely strong himself overhead with only four fingers.
Not really Juggernaut only weights around what, 700 lbs, Hulks Class 100.
If you catch somebody off guard and your class 100, it doesnt matter how strong they are.
Originally posted by DinalfosMo he is bending over to do the neck breaking when Hulk realizes he is about to die he grabs Juggs and throws him seems to me he caught him off guard more than anything. Also Cain must not have been very impressed by that supposed overpowering because he got up and was like yeah whatever I'm about to break you. 😕
He attacked him when he was completely calm/unsuspecting. A sufficient blow CAN knock the Hulk down if he's in that state. But like I said, Hulk didn't feel like fighting and when he become pissed, he overpowered him. Regardless of what the panel looked like, it was accompanied by the classic text "the madder Hulk gets....". That means that the panel was meant to show the Hulk overpowering him. Either way, it takes strength to pull someone who is extremely strong himself overhead with only four fingers.
Because as I'll show you much later your gonna have to wait a week for it but A calm Hulk isn't the only thing that is weaker. 😈
Honestly though Juggs thought he was pretty much in control anyone can be caught off guard if they think they are about to kill someone without much effort.
Secondly AK did make Valid poitns he has toppled some pretty strong people pretty easily before which requires strength and do show proof he is strong.
Well here is what this fight boils down too.
1. Battlefield Removal.
Juggernaut can Return to the Battlefield Under his own power. Hulk can not.
1 point to Juggs
2. Battlefield Removal by Reality Tear.
Apperantly both can do this, but its not in their powersets, with enough strength you can tear holes into other dimensions.
1 point for each
3. KO
Juggernaut cant be KO'ed, Hulk can.
1 point for Juggernaut
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These Are the conceivable ways of victory for each. Well, Juggernaut seems to have the edge
3/1
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Not really Juggernaut only weights around what, 700 lbs, Hulks Class 100.If you catch somebody off guard and your class 100, it doesnt matter how strong they are.
Damn, you beat me to it. That's exactly waht I was gonna say.
Juggy is 900 lbs, by the way. But the point remains the same.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernaut brings his Shield up, Hulk never touches him, Juggernaut Knocks him into orbit.😐
What makes Hulk unable to grab the forcefield even if he can't tear it like others? It's not like his grip is going to slide off of this forcefield.
So in your eariler analogy, 1 point for both on that.
And only Trion Juggs broke through dimensions while it's a part of Hulk's strength.
That brings it to 2/2 or a stalemate.
And until there is proof that 8th Day wasn't a powerup feats by him are unusable for Classic Juggs.
I dropped that point, apparently others haven't.
Originally posted by Dalak
What makes Hulk unable to grab the forcefield even if he can't tear it like others? It's not like his grip is going to slide off of this forcefield.So in your eariler analogy, 1 point for both on that.
And only Trion Juggs broke through dimensions while it's a part of Hulk's strength.
That brings it to 2/2 or a stalemate.
And until there is proof that 8th Day wasn't a powerup feats by him are unusable for Classic Juggs.
I dropped that point, apparently others haven't.
The time dimension thing is iffy, Hulk punched through a Time Storm he was Thrown at. Tearing Through Dimensions isn't in his power-set, if it was, when he was mindwipped and crack onslaughts armor, that punch should of Torn open a new dimension also, since at that point is was unimaginably angry and Strong.
Again I ask, how much Strength does it take to Rip open a new dimension, where is the proof that it would actually suck Juggernaut in and not Hulk. Heck, Juggernaut just begins walking forward and technically he shouldn't be sucked in. Unless its a wormhole, which is something totally different. and I have NEVER seen Hulk create a Wormhole with his fist
Originally posted by Apolloknight
The time dimension thing is iffy, Hulk punched through a Time Storm he was Thrown at. Tearing Through Dimensions isn't in his power-set, if it was, when he was mindwipped and crack onslaughts armor, that punch should of Torn open a new dimension also, since at that point is was unimaginably angry and Strong.Again I ask, how much Strength does it take to Rip open a new dimension, where is the proof that it would actually suck Juggernaut in and not Hulk. Heck, Juggernaut just begins walking forward and technically he shouldn't be sucked in. Unless its a wormhole, which is something totally different. and I have NEVER seen Hulk create a Wormhole with his fist
That's the same as asking how much strength it requires to bend a Force Field, it's technically impossible therefore impossible to calculate. WAAY to many unknown variables to even try.
And I'm trying to track down the Doc Sampson Mini where he (616) seals a tear that 617 Hulk made between his dimension and Nightmare's realm. Hulk got pissed at apparitions of his father and others that hate him and ended up ripping a hole in the dimensional fabric directly.
And no he's not directly done it except for Punching through Time, but with the weight of evidence it's not out of his powerset IMO, since Time is also a dimension.
Originally posted by Dalak
That's the same as asking how much strength it requires to bend a Force Field, it's technically impossible therefore impossible to calculate. WAAY to many unknown variables to even try.And I'm trying to track down the Doc Sampson Mini where he (616) seals a tear that 617 Hulk made between his dimension and Nightmare's realm. Hulk got pissed at apparitions of his father and others that hate him and ended up ripping a hole in the dimensional fabric directly.
And no he's not directly done it except for Punching through Time, but with the weight of evidence it's not out of his power-set IMO, since Time is also a dimension.
Technically its not in his power-set, for instance, he had to get pissed and anger to do it, did he knowingly do it, probably not He is not like Magneto and can create a wormhole at will, and in a fight with the Juggernaut, he is not going to be thinking "omg, I just have to rip a hole into another dimension".
On top of this, you proven my point, Hulk used his strength to close the tear, IE, he was not sucked in. Why would it suck an unstoppable Juggernaut in now hmm?
And Juggernauts Shield is powered by a God, A GOD force blast couldn't penetrate it, I don't care strong hulk gets, he shouldn't be able to.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Technically its not in his power-set, for instance, he had to get pissed and anger to do it, did he knowingly do it, probably not He is not like Magneto and can create a wormhole at will, and in a fight with the Juggernaut, he is not going to be thinking "omg, I just have to rip a hole into another dimension".On top of this, you proven my point, Hulk used his strength to close the tear, IE, he was not sucked in. Why would it suck an unstoppable Juggernaut in now hmm?
And Juggernauts Shield is powered by a God, A GOD force blast couldn't penetrate it, I don't care strong hulk gets, he shouldn't be able to.
Doc Sampson closed it, Hulk opened it. I thought I made that clear.
And I never said he'd penetrate the field, and of course he's not going to do it knowingly. That's why I've always said "Stalemate till Hulk gets angry enough to * " (* = Rip/Tear/Whatever through dimensions)
And if the tear goes through the reality of Juggernauts Field it isn't breaking it, it's breaking the reality it's it's coexisting with, if the hole goes through your chest you will be sucked in. Unless you'd like to argue that having a hole torn in the dimensional fabric that happens to correspond with your chest will do nothing.
Oh and Doom's forcefield has stood up to Gods too (Half a Cosmic Cube anyway, Retconned Beyonder), but it was broken. He "shouldn't have been able to" but he did. So you can care as much or as little as you want about it, the fact is Hulk does Incredible things.