Originally posted by Apolloknight
Explain to me why Cain will never KO the Hulk please?
Originally posted by Accel
I just said, like, three times already. Hulk is durable enough to take Cain's blows as he's taken far worse in the past and been fine. Add that to the fact that he'll get more durable as the fight goes on and like the Energizer Bunny, this fight will go on and on and on and on and on and...
So, its impossible to KO hulk basically, hmm, well I guess he can never lose, to anybody, huh?
Originally posted by newjak86
So what your saying is that they left something out that some time had passed between the panels.Listen
A) Cain thought he was in control so how do you know Cain was using his full strength to pull Hulk's Head back.B) Cain's knee being in his back actually helps Hulk in some Leverage as it provides a surface to push Cain's Leg against helping to take his feet off the ground.
Are you hearing what you're saying? So the Hulk pulled Juggernaut overhead with or possibly without the aid of his back muscles? That sounds like overpowering to me. Especially since Juggernaut isn't sitting more on top of hulk, but slightly backwards. If he can push with his knees and move with his arms, he has given himself the perfect leveragef. Planting your knees in someones back is a good method, you know. As soon as someone starts pulling your helmet, all you have to do is push and push. There's no way you can escape such a hold, unless you receive a significant power boost. And not just a powerboost to become stronger than your opponent(because that's the easiest part), but also strong enough to nullify his leverage. Now that takes strength.
And since breaking Hulk's neck is far from the easiest thing to do, it can be assumed that Juggernaus was using his strength.
C) All Hulk did was grab Jugg's Helmet and pull him over his shoulder when Juggs had thought he won. Seems more like he caught Cain Off Guard to me
The writer disagrees with you. Do you want to keep this up? 😉
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Im not going to argue that as we already have.Juggernaut can KO Hulk, simple as that.
THis fight favors the Juggeranut, How can you argue that when you yourself said it is possible?
I said it was possible. Not that it will definitely happen. It completely depends on the situation. He's gonna have to do it fast, but even then it's iffy. The Hulk withstood many forces in a calm state without going flat.
The fact that it is possible doesn't automatically mean Juggernaut will pull it off. He can pull it off, as I've already stated, but what if I say that he doesn't get that far?
the juggernant can been kill. he get his power from a gem. hulk get his from pure rage juggernaut can't get any stronger and he's been stop before by weaker mutant then him to stop hulk you gotta be like superman level to stop hulk. to beat juggernaunt give him a math problem then sucker punch him when he ain't looking. beside gladiotor threw juggernaunt across ocean and cause him to forget who he was. the blob is stronger then the juggernaunt. yo juggernant can't stop hulk the hulk has like too many level, like war hulk, savage hulk. Please if hulk turn into savage hulk juggernant would wet his pants.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Because You say, He will just [b]take cains blows and get Stronger, like they are not even going to effect him physically. So Hulk should be Physically unbeatable, am I right? [/B]
He should be able to take Juggernaut's blows in an enraged state. Absolutely. He did better than that.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
I said it was possible. Not that it will definitely happen. It completely depends on the situation. He's gonna have to do it fast, but even then it's iffy. The Hulk withstood many forces in a calm state without going flat.The fact that it is possible doesn't automatically mean Juggernaut will pull it off. He can pull it off, as I've already stated, but what if I say that he doesn't get that far?
So he wins then, we can stop debating, it is possible for Juggernaut to win by way of KO, even it is only a slim margin, but a KO none-the-less. All Hulk can only hope for a stalemate.
Lets go have a beer now
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Because You say, He will just [b]take cains blows and get Stronger, like they are not even going to effect him physically. So Hulk should be Physically unbeatable, am I right? [/B]
This fight is a stalemate, through and through.
Originally posted by grimside
the juggernant can been kill. he get his power from a gem. hulk get his from pure rage juggernaut can't get any stronger and he's been stop before by weaker mutant then him to stop hulk you gotta be like superman level to stop hulk. to beat juggernaunt give him a math problem then sucker punch him when he ain't looking. beside gladiotor threw juggernaunt across ocean and cause him to forget who he was. the blob is stronger then the juggernaunt. yo juggernant can't stop hulk the hulk has like too many level, like war hulk, savage hulk. Please if hulk turn into savage hulk juggernant would wet his pants.
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Little boy go play with your tonka toys now and let the grown-ups handle this mmmkay!!!!
Originally posted by DinalfosI would like to say that since when can use the fact that Hulk's neck is tough to corespond to how much strength someone else is using. You can't you can only go by what we saw.
Are you hearing what you're saying? So the Hulk pulled Juggernaut overhead with or possibly without the aid of his back muscles? That sounds like overpowering to me. Especially since Juggernaut isn't sitting more on top of hulk, but slightly backwards. If he can push with his knees and move with his arms, he has given himself the perfect leveragef. Planting your knees in someones back is a good method, you know. As soon as someone starts pulling your helmet, all you have to do is push and push. There's no way you can escape such a hold, unless you receive a significant power boost. And not just a powerboost to become stronger than your opponent(because that's the easiest part), but also strong enough to nullify his leverage. Now that takes strength.And since breaking Hulk's neck is far from the easiest thing to do, it can be assumed that Juggernaus was using his strength.
The writer disagrees with you. Do you want to keep this up? 😉
The fact is that Cain was blabbing the entire time even when he reaches to break Hulk's neck. they don'y really show him overpowering Cain all they show is him reaching back and managing to grab Cain's helmet and then he is simplt throwing around a 900 pound men with one arm Cain could do the same.
All the writers say is he gets stronger. No mention of him overpowering Cain no mention with a sudden burst of new founbd strength he forces the Juggernaut to unleash his hold.
All it says is Hulk is angry and then he reaches back and catches someone off guard and throws him. None of this overpowering is going. I mean it show me where in the scans it shows Hulk doing anything more than managing to get an Off Gaurd off their feet.
How are you going to say that when Hulk bare;y effected Cain the entire time and cain really didn't even seem to concerned throughout the entire fight that Cain was going all out if anything it would seem to be the opposite. 😬
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So he wins then, we can stop debating, it is possible for Juggernaut to win by way of KO, even it is only a slim margin, but a KO none-the-less. All Hulk can only hope for a stalemate.Lets go have a beer now
If you want to set up this fight as follows:
- Hulk is eating a grapefruit. He feels happy.
- Juggernaut sneaks up on him in a way that would make Solid Snake proud.
- Juggernaut pounds the Hulk on the back of his head with mighty force a few times.
But that's not how this is set up. This is a straight fight, where Hulk knows Juggernaut is coming.
Originally posted by Accel
Not physically unbeatable. Obviously, a sufficient enough force can KO him, no matter how durable he becomes, because he doesn't have the luxury of being impossible to be knocked out like Cain. However, as we have seen from Hulk's durability feats, it takes a LOT to knock him out and Cain doesn't possess that necessary force to KO him.This fight is a stalemate, through and through.
See thats why we will never come to Terms. You doubt Juggernauts Strength, if you dont read what I have posted in terms of Juggernaut Manhandled people Hulk has had problems with, it takes Strength to do that.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
See thats why we will never come to Terms. You doubt Juggernauts Strength, if you dont read what I have posted in terms of Juggernaut Manhandled people Hulk has had problems with, it takes Strength to do that.
Originally posted by newjak86
I would like to say that since when can use the fact that Hulk's neck is tough to corespond to how much strength someone else is using. You can't you can only go by what we saw.The fact is that Cain was blabbing the entire time even when he reaches to break Hulk's neck. they don'y really show him overpowering Cain all they show is him reaching back and managing to grab Cain's helmet and then he is simplt throwing around a 900 pound men with one arm Cain could do the same.
All the writers say is he gets stronger. No mention of him overpowering Cain no mention with a sudden burst of new founbd strength he forces the Juggernaut to unleash his hold.
All it says is Hulk is angry and then he reaches back and catches someone off guard and throws him. None of this overpowering is going. I mean it show me where in the scans it shows Hulk doing anything more than managing to get an Off Gaurd off their feet.
How are you going to say that when Hulk bare;y effected Cain the entire time and cain really didn't even seem to concerned throughout the entire fight that Cain was going all out if anything it would seem to be the opposite. 😬
He wouldn't be able to it if Hulk had his kind of leverage. And please, no semantics. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets implies what it always does: The Hulk got stronger, someone else notices this. But okay, where does it say Hulk cought him off guard?
How can you say the Hulk was going all out, when all he wanted was to be left alone? He was more tired of him than angry. He became enraged when he failed to break his neck.
Originally posted by DinalfosReally so if Cain had reached back and grabbed Hulk by the hair Hulk wouldn't have left his feet??????
He wouldn't be able to it if Hulk had his kind of leverage. And please, no semantics. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets implies what it always does: The Hulk got stronger, someone else notices this. But okay, where does it say Hulk cought him off guard?How can you say the Hulk was going all out, when all he wanted was to be left alone? He was more tired of him than angry. He became enraged when he failed to break his neck.
The entire fight shows that Cain isn't going all out. He is talking about this and that almost he is trying to have a converstion with the Hulk more than fighting and then he has the Hulk on the ground defensless why would he be reaching down with all his strength do something when he didn't even have that hard a time putting the guy down.
Hulk was probably going all out for as angry as we was. I'm nit saying that was Hulk truely being angry and going all out I've been saying that there was no showcase of overpowering going on like you describe. 🙄
Originally posted by newjak86
Really so if Cain had reached back and grabbed Hulk by the hair Hulk wouldn't have left his feet??????The entire fight shows that Cain isn't going all out. He is talking about this and that almost he is trying to have a converstion with the Hulk more than fighting and then he has the Hulk on the ground defensless why would he be reaching down with all his strength do something when he didn't even have that hard a time putting the guy down.
Hulk was probably going all out for as angry as we was. I'm nit saying that was Hulk truely being angry and going all out I've been saying that there was no showcase of overpowering going on like you describe. 🙄
He makes a valid point here, Juggernaut wasnt going all out in that fight, you can tell by his attitude alone, even when hulk does throw him, he is more worried about his helmet then where is going to land or hit.
Juggernaut had hulk staggering in just two blows, and he wasnt even fighting seriously, you cant deny that.
Originally posted by newjak86
Really so if Cain had reached back and grabbed Hulk by the hair Hulk wouldn't have left his feet??????The entire fight shows that Cain isn't going all out. He is talking about this and that almost he is trying to have a converstion with the Hulk more than fighting and then he has the Hulk on the ground defensless why would he be reaching down with all his strength do something when he didn't even have that hard a time putting the guy down.
Hulk was probably going all out for as angry as we was. I'm nit saying that was Hulk truely being angry and going all out I've been saying that there was no showcase of overpowering going on like you describe. 🙄
Just because Juggernaut talks a lot, doesn't mean he's holding back. If the Hulk went all out, Juggernaut wouldn't have time for his little speeches. He would be fighting all the time. Remember, Hulk didn't want to fight. When he does, you'll know it.
Juggernaut even says that he considers Hulk nearly his physical equal. You don't hold back against those guys. Besides that, Juggernaut has a funtional memory. That means he can remember than only minutes before he was stopped twice and casually thrown on top of a mountain. You don't hold back against guys like that either. Anyway, with all the leverage he had, Hulk could not have pulled him if he didn't get stronger. There's your overpowering. Backed up by the writer.
One more thing, there's a difference between not holding back and going all out. Neither were going all out, and neither were truly holding back. It's just that when Hulk got angry, he proved that he can overpower Juggernaut. That's all.