Originally posted by AccelThats what I'm saying hate to tell you guys but everytime these two are fighting people they aren't simply opening up holes in Reality I don't think either one should really be using it as a winning method.
Jesus, now we're arguing about them opening dimensional gateways during the fight?
Originally posted by newjak86
Thats what I'm saying hate to tell you guys but everytime these two are fighting people they aren't simply opening up holes in Reality I don't think either one should really be using it as a winning method.
Well Dalak brought up the point that Hulk would get mad enough to create a rip/tear in reality and BFR Juggernaut, Only thing is Juggernaut is going to KO or BFR him into orbit before he comes anywhere near that level of rage.
He just "KNOWS" he would do it, as it was a one time occurrence, Hulk doesn't go around ripping holes in reality at will.
But hey, if its the only conceivable way for Hulk to win then I guess I would argue it too.
Originally posted by newjak86
Mo he is bending over to do the neck breaking when Hulk realizes he is about to die he grabs Juggs and throws him seems to me he caught him off guard more than anything. Also Cain must not have been very impressed by that supposed overpowering because he got up and was like yeah whatever I'm about to break you. 😕
Okay, if that's how you want to inerpret this, fine. But eh....that still doesn't mean he wasn't overpowered. Impressed or not.
Because as I'll show you much later your gonna have to wait a week for it but A calm Hulk isn't the only thing that is weaker. 😈
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Honestly though Juggs thought he was pretty much in control anyone can be caught off guard if they think they are about to kill someone without much effort.
The writer disagrees with you. Anyway, Hulk can't be killed easily. And unless he's a complete, empty-headed ****tard, Juggernaut knows this. It looks to me as if he was really trying. Would the Hulk have gotten angrier and stronger if he didn't try? No.
Secondly AK did make Valid poitns he has toppled some pretty strong people pretty easily before which requires strength and do show proof he is strong.
That wasn't even my point.
Originally posted by DinalfosThe way though cain pretty much limps through match while he pretty much lectures Hulk while taking his punches and is hurting Hulk. I mean at the time it really doesn't look like he is really in trouble.
The writer disagrees with you. Anyway, Hulk can't be killed easily. And unless he's a complete empty-headed ****tard, Juggernaut knows this. It looks to me as if he was really trying. Would the Hulk have gotten angrier and stronger if he didn't try? No.
The writer may have said Hulk got stronger doesn't mean he overpowered him. Overpowering would have been him him removing cain's hands from him physically lifting his hands from. Overpowering isn't grabbing someone while their bending over to break your neck and then tossing them.
Originally posted by newjak86
The way though cain pretty much limps through match while he pretty much lectures Hulk while taking his punches and is hurting Hulk. I mean at the time it really doesn't look like he is really in trouble.The writer may have said Hulk got stronger doesn't mean he overpowered him. Overpowering would have been him him removing cain's hands from him physically lifting his hands from. Overpowering isn't grabbing someone while their bending over to break your neck and then tossing them.
Yes, Juggernaut talks a lot. So? Only after his off guard attack from abovehe sort of hurt Hulk, because he was in a calm state.
The writer said het got stronger and the next thing you see is him pulling Juggernaut overhead with four fingers. Without a strength explosion you don't just do that to a class 100 character. What was being implied could not have been more clear. With a bit of imagination, I suppose, you could see this as ambiguous, but the writer is who decides what happens.
Originally posted by DinalfosThe fight only goes for like two blows before Hulk is on the ground 😕
Yes, Juggernaut talks a lot. So? Only after his off guard attack from abovehe sort of hurt Hulk, because he was in a calm state.The writer said het got stronger and the next thing you see is him pulling Juggernaut overhead with four fingers. Without a strength explosion you don't just do that to a class 100 character. What was being implied could not have been more clear. With a bit of imagination, I suppose, you could see this as ambiguous, but the writer is who decides what happens.
A bit of imagination really I'm just going by what I see the Writers say when Hulk gets angry yes but how much strength does it take to throw a 900 pound guy whose bending over towards you because he thinks your finished 🙄
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yes, Juggernaut talks a lot. So? Only after his off guard attack from abovehe sort of hurt Hulk, because he was in a calm state.The writer said het got stronger and the next thing you see is him pulling Juggernaut overhead with four fingers. Without a strength explosion you don't just do that to a class 100 character. What was being implied could not have been more clear. With a bit of imagination, I suppose, you could see this as ambiguous, but the writer is who decides what happens.
It doesn't matter, there are more ways for Juggernaut to win then there are for Hulk.
Hulk has been KO'ed before, PERIOD.
Overload of Pain>>>>>RAGE.
Juggernaut will KO hulk before he ever gets mad enough, you can sit here and twist these words all you like "well its not likely" "Its depends on the writer" "It could happen but"..........I don't care what you think, Hulk can be KOed.
There is nothing you can say to argue that, and an Juggernaut not playing around fighting Hulk can, and will do just that.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
It doesn't matter, there are more ways for Juggernaut to win then there are for Hulk.Hulk has been KO'ed before, [b]PERIOD
.Overload of Pain>>>>>RAGE.
Juggernaut will KO hulk before he ever gets mad enough, you can sit here and twist these words all you like "well its not likely" "Its depends on the writer" "It could happen but"..........I don't care what you think, Hulk can be KOed.
There is nothing you can say to argue that, and an Juggernaut not playing around fighting Hulk can, and will do just that. [/B]
Originally posted by newjak86
The fight only goes for like two blows before Hulk is on the ground 😕A bit of imagination really I'm just going by what I see the Writers say when Hulk gets angry yes but how much strength does it take to throw a 900 pound guy whose bending over towards you because he thinks your finished 🙄
Maybe that's not what happens? He tries to break his next. Giving this a logical context, there was probably some struggle before it happened. Anyway, mind telling how Hulk could have any normal leverage in that pick? Juggernaut is putting his full strength in pulling Hulk's head backwards before trying to break it. He even has his knees planted in his back. Seriously, he was overpowered and the writer confirms this.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
It doesn't matter, there are more ways for Juggernaut to win then there are for Hulk.Hulk has been KO'ed before, [b]PERIOD
.Overload of Pain>>>>>RAGE.
Juggernaut will KO hulk before he ever gets mad enough, you can sit here and twist these words all you like "well its not likely" "Its depends on the writer" "It could happen but"..........I don't care what you think, Hulk can be KOed.
There is nothing you can say to argue that, and an Juggernaut not playing around fighting Hulk can, and will do just that. [/B]
He can be kayoed early. With luck and leverage. Unfortunately for Juggernaut, this isn't a scripted fight where events take place in a narrative context. Like I've been telling you. If you say Juggernaut knocks him out early, all I have to do is say that he doesn't because Hulk was prepared 🙄
Originally posted by Accel
Hulk being KOed is possible, but that doesn't automatically mean it's going to happen.
Again, Hulk has been KO'ed before, Juggernaut, the avatar of Physical Strength, who dropped thing in 3 Punch's, manhandled Colossus, Ko'ed Stranger one Punch, KO'ed the x-men with a sonic clap, flicked gambit across the ocean......................will do it too.
Have a good day. 😉
Originally posted by Dinalfos
He can be kayoed early. With luck and leverage. Unfortunately for Juggernaut, this isn't a scripted fight where events take place in a narrative context. Like I've been telling you. If you say Juggernaut knocks him out early, all I have to do is say that he doesn't because Hulk was prepared 🙄
Was prepared for what, how do you prepare for a class unlimited punch?
Originally posted by DinalfosSo what your saying is that they left something out that some time had passed between the panels.
Maybe that's not what happens? He tries to break his next. Giving this a logical context, there was probably some struggle before it happened. Anyway, mind telling how Hulk could have any normal leverage in that pick? Juggernaut is putting his full strength in pulling Hulk's head backwards before trying to break it. He even has his knees planted in his back. Seriously, he was overpowered and the writer confirms this.
Listen
A) Cain thought he was in control so how do you know Cain was using his full strength to pull Hulk's Head back.
B) Cain's knee being in his back actually helps Hulk in some Leverage as it provides a surface to push Cain's Leg against helping to take his feet off the ground.
C) All Hulk did was grab Jugg's Helmet and pull him over his shoulder when Juggs had thought he won. Seems more like he caught Cain Off Guard to me
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Was prepared for what, how do you prepare for a class unlimited punch?
A class unlimited(yeah right, that's not even possible 😄 ) that was blocked, evaded or just simply withstood? Anyway, once the Hulk notices Juggernaut's hostility, he'll become angry. They keep punching each other and Hulk becomes angrier.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
A class unlimited(yeah right, that's not even possible 😄 ) that was blocked, evaded or just simply withstood? Anyway, once the Hulk notices Juggernaut's hostility, he'll become angry. They keep punching each other and Hulk becomes angrier.
Im not going to argue that as we already have.
Juggernaut can KO Hulk, simple as that.
THis fight favors the Juggeranut, How can you argue that when you yourself said it is possible?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Again, Hulk has been KO'ed before, Juggernaut, the avatar of [b]Physical Strength, who dropped thing in 3 Punch's, manhandled Colossus, Ko'ed Stranger one Punch, KO'ed the x-men with a sonic clap, flicked gambit across the ocean......................will do it too.Have a good day. 😉 [/B]
Going by that, I could easily say that because Cain has been physically hurt by Storm's lightning and KOed by physical force before and Hulk has cracked Onslaught's armor, broken a device not even Celestials could break, and lit up a entire universe with a punch can surely do so as well.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Im not going to argue that as we already have.Juggernaut can KO Hulk, simple as that.
THis fight favors the Juggeranut, How can you argue that when you yourself said it is possible?