Juggernaut or The Hulk? · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Dinkus Mayhem Lord of Chaos and Despair

Live in denial then juggernaut66666, how do you explain all those times he has been beaten physically? 😉

Hulk has higher end feats than Juggs, sorry to pop the bubble but it's true.

First Hulk vs Juggernaut fight ever...looks very evenly matched to me, in fact toward the end Hulk is getting the better of him even (and Hulk has been seen much angrier than this).

Hulk vs. J2, Juggernaut's son (future story, but is said to have the same strength and invulnrability as his father). A Next #3 and J2 #3.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6418/anext1c4ba.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/1079/anext1d5fi.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5382/anext1e7xm.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9307/anext1f5eb.jpg

😆 Another Mainframe appears and convinces J2 to return. Then:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4640/anext1h0ac.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1949/anext1i0ql.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/705/anext1j1xc.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8236/anext1k1wu.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9547/anext1l6id.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1178/anext1m0hb.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4213/anext1n5ls.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/8840/anext1o8dm.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/7118/anext1p3xd.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8764/anext1q2yh.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3126/anext1r0mv.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/5605/anext1s6hj.jpg

(the J2 isn't continuity, but its a good showing of how even this would be)

juggernaut66666 Legendary

Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem
Live in denial then juggernaut66666, how do you explain all those times he has been beaten physically? 😉
Hulk has higher end feats than Juggs, sorry to pop the bubble but it's true.
First Hulk vs Juggernaut fight ever...looks very evenly matched to me, in fact toward the end Hulk is getting the better of him even (and Hulk has been seen much angrier than this).
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/172_11.jpg
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Hulk vs. J2, Juggernaut's son (future story, but is said to have the same strength and invulnrability as his father). A Next #3 and J2 #3.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6418/anext1c4ba.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/1079/anext1d5fi.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5382/anext1e7xm.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9307/anext1f5eb.jpg
😆 Another Mainframe appears and convinces J2 to return. Then:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4640/anext1h0ac.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1949/anext1i0ql.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/705/anext1j1xc.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8236/anext1k1wu.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9547/anext1l6id.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1178/anext1m0hb.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4213/anext1n5ls.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/8840/anext1o8dm.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/7118/anext1p3xd.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8764/anext1q2yh.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3126/anext1r0mv.jpg
http://img234.exs.cx/img234/5605/anext1s6hj.jpg
(the J2 isn't continuity, but its a good showing of how even this would be)

Hey Dinkus don't try to outsmart me in Juggernaut stuff the classic juggernaut was never beaten phisicaly and J2 is only class 75 he shouldn't be compared to classic juggernaut

The Pict Defender Of The Faith

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
J2 is only class 75 he shouldn't be compared to classic juggernaut

👆

You're right. Or current Juggernaut as he isn't nearly as invulnerable and tires out and reverts to normal over a period of time.

The-Judge Restricted

hulk cant hurt juggernaut, end of story

Soujaboy Restricted

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Apparantly he couldn't.
There's only one reason he didn't just toss it aside: he wasn't designed to have unlimited strength. He dug himself out because he's strong, but if he's really as strong as you guys claim, then it should've been a matter of seconds. They say Juggernaut can increase his strength through focus. Well, down there, below billions of tons of rubble(not forgetting that he was sort of obsessed with revenge), there's PLENTY of time for focus. Hell, it's basically the only thing he could do.
Then we might have a record breaker. Seriously.

Ok, I get where your going.

If Hulk was really as strong as you claim, he wouldn't have been physically killed by a handicapped Thor. 😉

Horrificus Senior Member

Juggernaut can draw as much power as he needs from the Cyttorak dimension. It isn't just for invulnerability.
Everything, all his powers are directly linked to that power.
His strength, durability, force field, etc, are only limited by the unlimited energy that he uses.
The worse things that have happened to him are:

1. Hurled by Onslaught. No scratches, bruises or anything, even though he passed out.

2. Mind blasts after his helmet was off.

3. His charge was stopped for a fraction of a second, followed by a trip, by the Celestial tech that Hulk was wearing. Not by Hulk himself.

4. Killed in the Nightmare dimension, and was still able to keep himself animated through the gem and pure hate.

Everybody says that he has no feats. I say that these are feats when combined to see that characters like Hulk have taken WAAAAY worse beatings than Juggs.

And, Hulk's power has a way more cumbersome key. Anger. Which takes away his reason, and when defused,saps his strength. Also, it takes time for his strength to get up to the levels that Juggs can reach.

Hulk, at "peak" can hold his own against Juggy. But, Juggy will still remain invulnerable, while meeting or topping Hulk in the strength department the entire time.

And, Hulk can only get so angry.

08juggernaut Member

if j2 did that well wich even ment that he even could of killed hulk classic juggs can.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by Horrificus
Juggernaut can draw as much power as he needs from the Cyttorak dimension. It isn't just for invulnerability.
Everything, all his powers are directly linked to that power.
His strength, durability, force field, etc, are only limited by the unlimited energy that he uses.
The worse things that have happened to him are:
1. Hurled by Onslaught. No scratches, bruises or anything, even though he passed out.
2. Mind blasts after his helmet was off.
3. His charge was stopped for a fraction of a second, followed by a trip, by the Celestial tech that Hulk was wearing. Not by Hulk himself.
4. Killed in the Nightmare dimension, and was still able to keep himself animated through the gem and pure hate.
Everybody says that he has no feats. I say that these are feats when combined to see that characters like Hulk have taken WAAAAY worse beatings than Juggs.
And, Hulk's power has a way more cumbersome key. Anger. Which takes away his reason, and when defused,saps his strength. Also, it takes time for his strength to get up to the levels that Juggs can reach.
Hulk, at "peak" can hold his own against Juggy. But, Juggy will still remain invulnerable, while meeting or topping Hulk in the strength department the entire time.
And, Hulk can only get so angry.

Yay for you.

The Pict Defender Of The Faith

Originally posted by 08juggernaut
if j2 did that well wich even ment that he even could of killed hulk classic juggs can.

😕

08juggernaut Member

sorry wasnt so clear, look at the links that dinkus mayhem has posted u will find a link were u c j2 beating up the hulk and having a chance to finish him off. ✅

Rewmac {--Classic Member--}

Isn't this the dumbest stuff ever???

Here is a hint :

Spoiler:
Juggernaut can put down The Hulk

08juggernaut Member

agreed he can (just my opinion)

08juggernaut Member

DMC roks

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, Hulk's power has a way more cumbersome key. Anger. Which takes away his reason, and when defused,saps his strength.

I take it you don't read other people's posts, since I just explained this to you page or so ago. Hulk's strength is not entirely dependent upon rage. It also stems from his subconscious desire to the be the strongest and thus, allows him to amp his strength to any level. Adrenaline is another factor, which will keep making him stronger as the battle goes on.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Also, it takes time for his strength to get up to the levels that Juggs can reach.

You base this statement off of nothing. Hulk has reached levels far beyond Juggernaut's level is moments plenty of times.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, Hulk can only get so angry.

Prove it.

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by 08juggernaut
sorry wasnt so clear, look at the links that dinkus mayhem has posted u will find a link were u c j2 beating up the hulk and having a chance to finish him off. ✅

He never came close to finishing him. One instant after he stops, we see there's no damage whatsoever done to Hulk.

Dinalfos Lord Caco

Originally posted by Horrificus
Juggernaut can draw as much power as he needs from the Cyttorak dimension. It isn't just for invulnerability.
Everything, all his powers are directly linked to that power.
His strength, durability, force field, etc, are only limited by the unlimited energy that he uses.
The worse things that have happened to him are:
1. Hurled by Onslaught. No scratches, bruises or anything, even though he passed out.
2. Mind blasts after his helmet was off.
3. His charge was stopped for a fraction of a second, followed by a trip, by the Celestial tech that Hulk was wearing. Not by Hulk himself.
4. Killed in the Nightmare dimension, and was still able to keep himself animated through the gem and pure hate.
Everybody says that he has no feats. I say that these are feats when combined to see that characters like Hulk have taken WAAAAY worse beatings than Juggs.
And, Hulk's power has a way more cumbersome key. Anger. Which takes away his reason, and when defused,saps his strength. Also, it takes time for his strength to get up to the levels that Juggs can reach.
Hulk, at "peak" can hold his own against Juggy. But, Juggy will still remain invulnerable, while meeting or topping Hulk in the strength department the entire time.
And, Hulk can only get so angry.

So what does his durability to do with his strength? Nothing. It's a seperate spell. Unlike Hulk, Juggernaut's durability is not a consequence of his strength. It was all part of that little package.

Furthermore, you're making assumptions(like so many of you do) about Hulk that just don't ring true. He doesn't need much time to get up to Juggernaut's level at all. The more he is provoked, the faster it increases(softly tap someone in the face once, he'll become ticked or even angry, hit him hard, all the while mocking him and he's likely to snap). His strength also increases geometrically to his anger, making it instantaneous. As for his "defusion", this only happens when the "threat" is gone. As long as the fight is on, he'll remain angry.

Also, he doesn't have a limit to his anger. Because he is basically rage personified. His mind is not exactly human. Ask Stan Lee, Sal Buscema, Peter David and the other Hulk writers. It really doesn't take long before Hulk overpowers Juggernaut in the strenght department. It requires, perhaps a lot of rage, but it doesn't take long. Especially not in a fight. If you wanna go by the comics, then we saw that it took Hulk only a second to rise from irritation to sufficient rage to render the
Juggernaut's strength useless. Without leverage.

Btw, you won't hear me say that Juggernaut doesn't have feats. It's just that he won't top the Hulk in strength.

Accel Senior Member

Originally posted by lft4ded
Are you sure he didn't break a device *designed* to withstand the Celestials? This is another case of hyperbole - Because All-Father Odin designed the Destroyer to defeat the Celestials, and look what happened to it when it finally, after years of plaguing Thor, finally went against the Celestials when powered by the life force of all Asgardians, save Thor...
and snatched from Horrificus' post...
Is the Professor in this fight? I thought Juggernaut was facing off against Savage Hulk?

It was created by the Deviants, who most likely know the Celestials better than any body. Not to mention it was even stated again by the narration.

Whether it's hyperbole or not is irrelevant, as Hulk has still overcome far worse than Thor, such as the matterantimatter feat (which requires infinite strength), the sonic blast that destroyed an entire cosmos, blasts from the Celestial order, etc.

Dinalfos Lord Caco

Originally posted by Dinkus Mayhem

Hulk vs. J2, Juggernaut's son (future story, but is said to have the same strength and invulnrability as his father). A Next #3 and J2 #3.
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http://img234.exs.cx/img234/1079/anext1d5fi.jpg
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http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9307/anext1f5eb.jpg
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Holy crap. This is off topic, but the second screen(where Hulk hits J2)is an exact copy of another panel I've seen. Only then Luke Cage was the victim.

08juggernaut Member

guys do any of u no any good websites with juggs fighting hulk

Horrificus Senior Member

Originally posted by Accel
I take it you don't read other people's posts, since I just explained this to you page or so ago. Hulk's strength is not entirely dependent upon rage. It also stems from his subconscious desire to the be the strongest and thus, allows him to amp his strength to any level. Adrenaline is another factor, which will keep making him stronger as the battle goes on.
You base this statement off of nothing. Hulk has reached levels far beyond Juggernaut's level is moments plenty of times.
Prove it.

Why on earth would I care what you posted or what you explained?
You have no proof of anything you just typed. By proof, I mean situations in books, statements by writers. Not something you saw the Bi-Beast say! Hehe. Holy dork.

We don't even know what Juggs "levels" are, except that we have seen that when the flood gates are opened, the Cytorrak power makes him physically able to tear through reality itself.

And, if what you say is true, how come the ENTIRE point to his stories, are the slow, plodding build-up that shows him usually on the ropes, getting angry, until eventually, he finally defeats a more powerful foe, if he survives or stays conscious long enough?

Unless you want to show me that nobody has ever knocked him out before he got his strength up.

Anyway, I don't care about your opinion or interpretation. Show a feat, a situation, or a writers statement.

Everything I have stated is based on the three things I require from you.