Originally posted by Never
LoL, how long have you been reading comic books, Leatherface?Juggernaut is SMARTER than the Hulk? Let me drop off a little gem for you:
The Professor (from http://www.incrediblehulk.com/professor.html )
First Appearance:The Incredible Hulk #377
Identity Basis: This is the idealized version of Bruce where he has all the strength of the Savage Hulk and the intelligence of Bruce Banner but none of the emotional baggage, awkwardness or shyness.
Strength: This incarnation can lift >>>>>>>over 100 tons.<<<<<<<
Intelligence: >>>>>>>>>>>>Genius<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Transformation: This version does not transform
In case you missed it...notice the arrows pointing to the term "genius?" Notice erm that he starts at OVER 100 tons, and we all do know that The Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier; in addition, he "for all practical purposes has no limit to the strength he can reach."
Again, show me where Juggernaut EVER lifted 150 billion tons...and Hulk was not even THAT angry when he did.
*sigh*
This did NOT happen.
I don't care if it was in a book.
I have stated before that this cannot have happened. Hulk would have just sunk into the mountain. You can't put the entire weight of a mountain, even if he WAS strong enough, on 2 little places where Hulks hands are in contact with the mountain. It should not even be allowed in the forum, unless somebody updates Hulk's powers with Telekenesis.
. I say Juggernaut can increase strength through focus/will and you argue i dont have enough proof. I say i do and i realized i do its just that I piece the information together using logic. You refuse to use logic in that situation and do not piece the information together. "Gee maybe since Juggernaut always has the strength to do what he wants, even trion getting through to the trion dimension, maybe its because he gains the strength when he needs it."
2. When i said Hulk cannot fight for an eternity on adreniline, you say he can and show small feats of a maximum time of a few months. Now since i have a brain and logic i pieced to together to say maybe he can last forever. Even though it is never stated he can last an eternity.
3. I could have just used your logic to say "lack of proof" and say hulk dies of exaustion. So now i ask you hulk fans to use logic and realize that Juggernaut can increase strength through focus, otherwise the theory that Hulk dies of exaustion is still plausible because i will just use "Hulk" logic back on you.
4. Since this is bloodlust, both characters use what they have. Juggernaut uses his momentum sapping shield and when hulk comes in for a punch he is completely stopped. This gives Juggernaut an option of landing a solid punch to his face
5. When a boxer is hit with a good punch he becomes dazed and that is when the other boxer realizes its time to go all out. The first boxer can only defend and cannot even realize what is happening and eventually gets Koed in that position. I have seen this happen many times and basically it could happen to the Hulk when Juggernauts shield allows him to land a solid punch that rocks the Hulk. He cannot do anything because he would be dazed.
6. POSSIBLE ways juggernaut can win- BFR(uses shield to stop hulk then has time to get a good grip on him and toss him), Early KO, Later Ko after increasing strength enough to beat hulk.
I repeat these are POSSIBLE ways. Even if it is unlikely that they can happen, it is still plausible giving Juggernaut a slim majority.
Hulk can be Koed even if the chances were 1/13435256426246264 that still favors Juggernaut for the win, once out of 13435256426246264 battles and the rest stalemates, Juggernaut has the majority and wins. Enough just admit it, I dont understand Hulk fans still argue this when so clearly Juggs has won. Yes Juggs can increase strength, proved with Trion, and 8th day, and the fact he has always had the strength that he needed to accomplish something. Some Hulk fans dont accept that as enough proof simply because it would mean that the precious Hulk has lost. It is enough proof, yes it is, yes it is.........................
Originally posted by Accel
It wsa also stated by the Beyonder after he exmined Hulk with his cosmic powers.He's overcome far worse than Thor before. 😕
He's broken a device not even Celestials could break. His fight with Thor didn't show a limit, just that anger isn't the only factor to his strength.
Are you sure he didn't break a device *designed* to withstand the Celestials? This is another case of hyperbole - Because All-Father Odin designed the Destroyer to defeat the Celestials, and look what happened to it when it finally, after years of plaguing Thor, finally went against the Celestials when powered by the life force of all Asgardians, save Thor...
and snatched from Horrificus' post...
LoL, how long have you been reading comic books, Leatherface?Juggernaut is SMARTER than the Hulk? Let me drop off a little gem for you:
The Professor (from http://www.incrediblehulk.com/professor.html )
First Appearance:The Incredible Hulk #377
Identity Basis: This is the idealized version of Bruce where he has all the strength of the Savage Hulk and the intelligence of Bruce Banner but none of the emotional baggage, awkwardness or shyness.
Is the Professor in this fight? I thought Juggernaut was facing off against Savage Hulk?
Originally posted by TheDecider
Hulk can be Koed even if the chances were 1/13435256426246264 that still favors Juggernaut for the win, once out of 13435256426246264 battles and the rest stalemates, Juggernaut has the majority and wins. Enough just admit it, I dont understand Hulk fans still argue this when so clearly Juggs has won. Yes Juggs can increase strength, proved with Trion, and 8th day, and the fact he has always had the strength that he needed to accomplish something. Some Hulk fans dont accept that as enough proof simply because it would mean that the precious Hulk has lost. It is enough proof, yes it is, yes it is.........................
- He won against Prof. Hulk. That's it. Nothing more. The other fight is only a win in the eyes of the die hard Juggernaut fanboys.
- Trion and 8th day proved that he was powered up. Nothing more. Ofcourse, he has great strength with no known upperlimit. But that's every bit as plot devicey as anything else in comics.
- Juggernaut obviously didn't have the strength to dig himself out of the rubble. Nor did he have the strength to free himself immediately when he was stuck in cement.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
- Juggernaut obviously didn't have the strength to dig himself out of the rubble. Nor did he have the strength to free himself immediately when he was stuck in cement.
So he can't swim through *wet* cement? I'm sure he could've attempted to thunderclap it out, except that to the best of my knowledge he's never used that technique until fighting Gen X which was at least a decade later.
Likewise, Juggernaut seems to be the kind to take his time. He walked out of the mountain of rubble, again a thunderclap could've worked except he hadn't tried it at the time. Punching loose rubble may've worked but he seemed to be reveling in gaining the power of Cytorrak. After clearing the mountain he had an ocean to walk through. It can take some time. Of course he had the strength to dig himself out, unless you can show someone else freeing him instead.
What if we add Wolverine to Hulk's team and Spider-Man to Juggernat's? Could be a long thread?
Originally posted by lft4ded
So he can't swim through *wet* cement? I'm sure he could've attempted to thunderclap it out, except that to the best of my knowledge he's never used that technique until fighting Gen X which was at least a decade later.Likewise, Juggernaut seems to be the kind to take his time. He walked out of the mountain of rubble, again a thunderclap could've worked except he hadn't tried it at the time. Punching loose rubble may've worked but he seemed to be reveling in gaining the power of Cytorrak. After clearing the mountain he had an ocean to walk through. It can take some time. Of course he had the strength to dig himself out, unless you can show someone else freeing him instead.
Apparantly he couldn't.
There's only one reason he didn't just toss it aside: he wasn't designed to have unlimited strength. He dug himself out because he's strong, but if he's really as strong as you guys claim, then it should've been a matter of seconds. They say Juggernaut can increase his strength through focus. Well, down there, below billions of tons of rubble(not forgetting that he was sort of obsessed with revenge), there's PLENTY of time for focus. Hell, it's basically the only thing he could do.
What if we add Wolverine to Hulk's team and Spider-Man to Juggernat's? Could be a long thread?
Then we might have a record breaker. Seriously.