Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
For what I saw on that feat is that Juggernaut was momentarily stopped, but will eventually move again as he is unstoppable.

Just like saying that hulk can only delay the inevitable, and that is why he used his momentum against him.

the scans showed previously one states that juggernaut needs momentum to become unstappable (pak's) while lee's do not says anything on that sort. But the writter on that story was Gage, so i am not sure how much familiar is Gage with juggernauts powers.

Prove it with. a scan that Juggernaut was momentarily stopped.

Hulk can be stopped by hitting him in the head. Whereas nothing in the universe can stop the Juggernaut (except logic).

Originally posted by Odekahn
Sure people move in fights, but jugs was trading blows with hulk there, he didn't charge him.

Somehow, in a ring, when two fighters start locking up, they stand still in that same spot for the rest of the bout since neither can move forward. Ever. This is an argument.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Also, there are no motion lines in the art to suggest Jugs is traveling once he's already face to face with Hulk.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Charging is a travel feat. Juggernaut is unstoppable once charging.

Then what did Colossonaut do here when he was trading blows toe-to-toe with a depowered Kuurth who was still much stronger than him:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9227/worthyjuggy6.jpg

Somehow, toe-to-toe punchfest = no forward momentum = no unstoppability enchantment. So what happened here?

@ CARVER

I think momentarily stopping juggs is a good thing for you.

The ONLY iirc hero who has a feat better than that is THOR making Juggs to take ONE step back and that was with a goods blast.

Originally posted by Magnon
Hulk can be stopped by hitting him in the head. Whereas nothing in the universe can stop the Juggernaut (except logic).

It always feel amazing helping people out.

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hulk3389/media/comic%20book%20scans/juggslayout.jpg.html

Look at the unstoppable Juggernaut. Glad someone was tampering with Hulk head before he laid Juggernaut out. It was even stated in this same comic that Hulk is more powerful than Jugs. Things that make you go hhhhhhmmmm.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
@ CARVER

I think momentarily stopping juggs is a good thing for you.

The ONLY hero who has a feat better than that is THOR making Juggs to take ONE step back and that was with a goods blast.

I understand that but I want you to show a scan of this momentary. Also, this isn't the first time Hulk stopped Juggernaut forward charge.

@ Carver

Actually let me rephrase that Hulk SLOWED Jugs forward momentum, he did not stop it.

Look at Hulk's feet

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16973378/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg.html

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
@ Carver

Actually let me rephrase that Hulk SLOWED Jugs forward momentum, he did not stop it.

Look at Hulk's feet

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16973378/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg.html

In the beginning...yes, Juggernaut made Hulk take a step back...not denying that. After that, it was a standstill as shown in the scan AFTER the scan you presented.

Originally posted by ODG
What exactly leads you to believe Juggernaut could never have charged him?

I didn't say he never COULD have charged him. I said he didn't, which is true unless you can prove otherwise. Just because he "could" have doesn't mean he did.

Is it because people who trade blows toe-to-toe cannot possibly move forward to gain momentum? This strikes me as being a spectacularly dumb false absolute.

Somehow, in a ring, when two fighters start locking up, they stand still in that same spot for the rest of the bout since neither can move forward. Ever. This is an argument. You mean beyond the motion lines surrounding his helmet when he headbutts Hulk's gut pushing him back and follows through with a running uppercut? Selective vision, much? So people who are trading blows toe-to-toe cannot possibly move forward to gain momentum, therefore the triggering of Cytorrak's unstoppability enchantment is not present? This is the logic you came up with in your head.

Then what did Colossonaut do here when he was trading blows toe-to-toe with a depowered Kuurth who was still much stronger than him:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9227/worthyjuggy6.jpg

Somehow, toe-to-toe punchfest = no forward momentum = no unstoppability enchantment. So what happened here?

There, he's obviously charging. Had that happened vs WWH then you would have a point.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
@ CARVER

I think momentarily stopping juggs is a good thing for you.

The ONLY iirc hero who has a feat better than that is THOR making Juggs to take ONE step back and that was with a goods blast.

Also, that was mystical. To my knowledge juggernaut has never been stopped by brute strength alone.

Have a question...want to see what some thinks. When Hulk and Juggernaut was armed locked, what was Juggernaut intentions? Were they just standing there looking at each other in the eyes or, was either Hulk or Juggernaut trying to PUSH each other back?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Also, that was mystical. To my knowledge juggernaut has never been stopped by brute strength alone.

And you don't know what you are...

Let me stop. Sigh*. What happened here my friend?

http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hulk3389/media/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg.html

I honestly don't understand you. I really don't.

Originally posted by ODG
Then what did Colossonaut do here when he was trading blows toe-to-toe with a depowered Kuurth who was still much stronger than him:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9227/worthyjuggy6.jpg

Somehow, toe-to-toe punchfest = no forward momentum = no unstoppability enchantment. So what happened here?

Anyway, it took me a couple hours, but I made a picture to show how big Juggernaut's foot is if he isn't doing a running uppercut.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well... that's certainly the same gosh darned attack.

Anyway, it took me a couple hours, but I made a picture to show how big Juggernaut's foot is if he isn't doing a running uppercut.

😂 hilarious.

By the way, good scan Bran. I didn't even notice that. Juggernaut and Hulk is charging at each other and Hulk stops him dead in his tracks. WTF. If Juggernaut charge is greater than Hulk strength, wouldn't he have ran him over or at least kept pushing him back?

rofl.

This is getting old and boring. Some people just have too much ego invested in this to admit that they were mistaken to think that Juggernaut wasn't pushing against Hulk.

Some want to believe Juggernaut is "unstoppable", usually the same type of posters who argue that even Galactus wouldn't be able to physically harm Juggernaut because he's "invulnerable".

Juggernaut's "unstoppability" is all hype, he has been stopped at least 4 times, and for a marginal character, that's a lot of un-unstoppability there.

It's clear what the writer was depicting and, the egos are just going to go round and around in this "debate"...

The pattern of debate:
Start: "Juggernaut wasn't charged up, so ner! unstoppability not affected" *fansite asserting that Juggernaut needs to charge up, that his shield must be on, that the stars must align and that Juggernaut must not be holding back*

Counter: *on-panel proof that Juggernaut doesn't need to charge up* and *on-panel proof that Juggernaut charged at Hulk*

Response: "But Juggernaut was pushing the Hulk back, look at the mound!! so ner! Unstoppability saved."

Counter: *scans showing them locked in the same position, while mansion's foundations crumble and Xavier tells Juggernaut to stop.* *Writer's comments that Juggernaut's forward momentum was redirected downwards. That is, he wasn't moving forward any more*

Response: "Juggernaut was just standing there, trading blows, he wasn't pushing forward"

Counter: *face palm* ... *on-panel proof of Juggernaut having built-up momentum, as Hulk stepped aside and let him fly into the lake*

Response: "Yeah but, Hulk would have had to give way, because Juggernaut is unstoppable and Hulk knew it, which is why he moved aside"

Counter: *on-panel evidence that Hulk stopped Juggernaut without exerting himself* and *on-panel proof that Juggernaut's unstoppability can be stopped*

Response: "He wasn't charging at Hulk, so the unstoppability wasn't in effect!"

Counter: *fist through screen*

🙂

Originally posted by janus77
rofl.

This is getting old and boring. Some people just have too much ego invested in this to admit that they were mistaken to think that Juggernaut wasn't pushing against Hulk.

Some want to believe Juggernaut is "unstoppable", usually the same type of posters who argue that even Galactus wouldn't be able to physically harm Juggernaut because he's "invulnerable".

Juggernaut's "unstoppability" is all hype, he has been stopped at least 4 times, and for a marginal character, that's a lot of un-unstoppability there.

It's clear what the writer was depicting and, the egos are just going to go round and around in this "debate"...

The pattern of debate:
Start: "Juggernaut wasn't charged up, so ner! unstoppability not affected" *fansite asserting that Juggernaut needs to charge up, that his shield must be on, that the stars must align and that Juggernaut must not be holding back*

Counter: *on-panel proof that Juggernaut doesn't need to charge up* and *on-panel proof that Juggernaut charged at Hulk*

Response: "But Juggernaut was pushing the Hulk back, look at the mound!! so ner! Unstoppability saved."

Counter: *scans showing them locked in the same position, while mansion's foundations crumble and Xavier tells Juggernaut to stop.* *Writer's comments that Juggernaut's forward momentum was redirected downwards. That is, he wasn't moving forward any more*

Response: "Juggernaut was just standing there, trading blows, he wasn't pushing forward"

Counter: *face palm* ... *on-panel proof of Juggernaut having built-up momentum, as Hulk stepped aside and let him fly into the lake*

Response: "Yeah but, Hulk would have had to give way, because Juggernaut is unstoppable and Hulk knew it, which is why he moved aside"

Counter: *on-panel evidence that Hulk stopped Juggernaut without exerting himself* and *on-panel proof that Juggernaut's unstoppability can be stopped*

Response: "He wasn't charging at Hulk, so the unstoppability wasn't in effect!"

Counter: *fist through screen*

🙂

Not my fault you can't support your claim that Juggernaut was charging in that scene. They traded blows, then locked up in a grapple position like wrestlers.

They PUSH to try and gain leverage. They don't have momentum until they build it.

You guys are acting like nothing should be able to stop juggernaut from taking a step when he has no momentum. That's never been how his enchantment has worked. I provided several different sources to prove a limit on the enchantment, including scans. And you all are saying that there is no momentum required and I'm the fanboy? Lol smh

Also, I don't think you guys understand the difference between a charge attack (see jugs, rhino and hammerhead) vs running up to someone to punch them.

And being wrong about something is never a pride issue with me. I've admitted when I was wrong before. Give me something concrete.

Also, I'm pretty sure Juggernaut would have freaked out if he had gotten stopped cold in his tracks like he did the several other times in history it's happened to him. (Granted via mystical assistance)

Originally posted by Odekahn
Also, I don't think you guys understand the difference between a charge attack (see jugs, rhino and hammerhead) vs running up to someone to punch them.

He doesn't need to charge, he's never needed to charge. All he has to do is walk in some general direction. Bang, he's unstoppable.

And admitting he ran up to punch Hulk? Way to jizz acid all over your entire point.