Originally posted by carver9
👆 this piss all over his argument.By the way, this Hulk is stronger and his durability along with his healing factor coupled with that gives him the advantage here.
No, it proved my argument imo. Read the dialogue "once he starts charging".
Whatever though, agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Odekahn
That's not even what I was saying, I was saying he needs to gain momentum to become unstoppable.
Cain was clearly pushing against the Hulk. Are you contesting this fact? This means that he had momentum but it was stopped. This is not the first time that his forward progress was halted. Cain is not truly unstoppable, if he was he would have been able to overpower the enchantment on Thor's hammer. He could not, and therefore he is not unstoppable. When they were in a test of strength Cain was pushing forward or when Banner stepped aside he would have remained on the same spot. We all saw that the same scan.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftIt's highly possible that Juggs stopped to punch Hulk or to prevent Hulk from punching him. That's why they are holding hands (someone caught the other to stop them from punching). Otherwise, It makes no sense for them to voluntarily decide to hold hands.
Not sure using a terrible showing like that to prove him needing momentum actually helps his case. On one hand, he needs momentum to be unstoppable. On the other, it took him 6 months to break through concrete. Double edge dildo that one is.
Made even worse by him being stopped while walking through drying concrete.In any case, it's been shown that once he starts moving in a general direction he's supposed to be unstoppable. Otherwise he just shouldn't be moved. Unfortunately for him, he was moving in Hulk's general direction in the WWH tie-in.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16973378/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0027.jpg.html
That is a sloppily forward moving Juggernaut right before they lock up. IE, unstoppable. Hulk had less problems stopping Juggernaut than he did actually brawling with him. Hilarity ensues.
I think it better to use the "Hulk directed the force downward" approach that I believe the writer stated. Unfortunately for your butt, that also comes from a website.
Though, I admittedly read like 2 posts from you using websites against ODG, so I'm just going by the assumption that one of you says he needs momentum, and the other isn't. But that doesn't matter in the Julk fight.
Originally posted by carver9
And you don't know what you are...Let me stop. Sigh*. What happened here my friend?
http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hulk3389/media/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg.html
I honestly don't understand you. I really don't.
Hulk was enhanced with celestial tech from Apocolypse... That wasn't "brute strength alone".
Ok. So Hulk will get vastly stronger and I think he will be tossing Juggs around after awhile. But how will they ever really beat the other? Because Hulk will eventually revert to banner where Juggs will be just fine albeit embarrassed. Hulks best bet is just to embarass Cain so bad that Cytorrak makes him Hulkonaut or the JuggerHulk. Julk. Huggs. I think Huggs would be the best.
Lol.
Juggs foot is in the air because he is punching, you never ever see him run there, never, only Hulk. He started to build momentum and push Hulk back, he was never stopped, he build it just slowly. Just because the artist draw a foot in the air in a scene where both punch each other doesn't mean they are running. It's funny really.
The best you can hope is to argue that it's open to interpretation. Imho the stance they were standing and punching in the scene is the more logical conclusion.
If the artis wanted to show Juggs run, he would have done so. He showed Hulk running why not juggs? Well because he never did, only in the end, when Hulk went to the side.
So no, he never stopped him, he prevented him from running but was pushed back, as seen with his footprint.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Ok. So Hulk will get vastly stronger and I think he will be tossing Juggs around after awhile. But how will they ever really beat the other? Because Hulk will eventually revert to banner where Juggs will be just fine albeit embarrassed. Hulks best bet is just to embarass Cain so bad that Cytorrak makes him Hulkonaut or the JuggerHulk. Julk. Huggs. I think Huggs would be the best.
Hulk, at current levels, is far too powerful for Juggernaut to hurt whilst Juggernaut will get hurt/KOed/killed.
It's inevitable, Juggernaut will lose this.
Originally posted by janus77
Happily it doesn't take much to hospitalise Juggernaut. Captain Universe, (a very weak) Onslaught and a weaker iteration of Hulk (War Hulk) all had him pretty much dead.Hulk, at current levels, is far too powerful for Juggernaut to hurt whilst Juggernaut will get hurt/KOed/killed.
It's inevitable, Juggernaut will lose this.
Talk about lowballing lol.
And no, Cain won't lose. All he has to do is overload Hulk's healing factor. There is nothing Hulk can do to hurt jugs. If the fight had to end in KO or Death, the only logical winner would be juggernaut.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Lol.
Juggs foot is in the air because he is punching, you never ever see him run there, never, only Hulk. He started to build momentum and push Hulk back, he was never stopped, he build it just slowly. Just because the artist draw a foot in the air in a scene where both punch each other doesn't mean they are running. It's funny really.The best you can hope is to argue that it's open to interpretation. Imho the stance they were standing and punching in the scene is the more logical conclusion.
If the artis wanted to show Juggs run, he would have done so. He showed Hulk running why not juggs? Well because he never did, only in the end, when Hulk went to the side.
So no, he never stopped him, he prevented him from running but was pushed back, as seen with his footprint.
😂 😆
Originally posted by carver9
That's brute strength and that Celestial tech did nothing but help Hulk channel his own strength which was explained in the comic.
He was amped by mystical properties, lol @ saying that did nothing to assist with stopping Juggernaut.
Not to mention, notices how Cain is startled and can believe he was stopped, just like his reaction when Thor stopped him with a Godblast (mystical means).
He doesn't even comment Hulk overriding the enchantment in WWH (because it didn't happen). If it would have, it would have been in character for Cain to be startled and amazed. We see nothing of the sort take place during his WWH fight.
Originally posted by Odekahn
He was amped by mystical properties, lol @ saying that did nothing to assist with stopping Juggernaut.Not to mention, notices how Cain is startled and can believe he was stopped, just like his reaction when Thor stopped him with a Godblast (mystical means).
He doesn't even comment Hulk overriding the enchantment in WWH (because it didn't happen). If it would have, it would have been in character for Cain to be startled and amazed. We see nothing of the sort take place during his WWH fight.
Show me a scan where it states he is amped by mystical properties. Like I've said, the Celestial tech helped Hulk channel HIS OWN POWER.
Why would he be startled when Hulk stopped him before? You and Batman Prime (who can't stand the Hulk) are the only two people arguing this. You have a habit of making things up but every time you do that, I'm going to call you out on it asking you to post a scan.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a scan where it states he is amped by mystical properties. Like I've said, the Celestial tech helped Hulk channel HIS OWN POWER.Why would he be startled when Hulk stopped him before? You and Batman Prime (who can't stand the Hulk) are the only two people arguing this. You have a habit of making things up but every time you do that, I'm going to call you out on it asking you to post a scan.
The burden of proof isn't on me.
Fact: Hulk was amped by celestial tech when that feat happened. It's up to YOU to prove it was accomplished under his own power alone.
P.S. I'm a fan of Hulk.
Originally posted by Odekahn
The burden of proof isn't on me.Fact: Hulk was amped by celestial tech when that feat happened. It's up to YOU to prove it was accomplished under his own power alone.
P.S. I love the Hulk.
How is it up to me to prove that the tech gave Hulk mystical powers or not.? You came up with that claim, I didn't.
Again, it isn't up to me...I can easily post Apocalypse telling us that the tech aided in helping Hulk harness his power but first, I want you to present that scan where it states the tech gave Hulk mystical powers (lol). I'm tired of crushing you. Its too easy.
