Originally posted by Odekahn
Not my fault you can't support your claim that Juggernaut was charging in that scene. They traded blows, then locked up in a grapple position like wrestlers.They PUSH to try and gain leverage. They don't have momentum until they build it.
You guys are acting like nothing should be able to stop juggernaut from taking a step when he has no momentum. That's never been how his enchantment has worked. I provided several different sources to prove a limit on the enchantment, including scans. And you all are saying that there is no momentum required and I'm the fanboy? Lol smh
Also, I don't think you guys understand the difference between a charge attack (see jugs, rhino and hammerhead) vs running up to someone to pem.
You clearly see Juggernaut and Hulk running at each other and Hulk stops him dead in his track. What you are saying has not been shown on panel. You are making up stuff and using website that are fan made.
Originally posted by carver9
Have a question...want to see what some thinks. When Hulk and Juggernaut was armed locked, what was Juggernaut intentions? Were they just standing there looking at each other in the eyes or, was either Hulk or Juggernaut trying to PUSH each other back?
They were pushing against each other Carver, this is more than evident when the Hulk side steps, and Cain continues to move in the direction that he was facing, but you have some people that would attempt to deceive just so that they will not lose a debate. I think that you would call that trolling.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Also, I'm pretty sure Juggernaut would have freaked out if he had gotten stopped cold in his tracks like he did the several other times in history it's happened to him. (Granted via mystical assistance)
He was stopped dead in his tracks, and due to having been stopped in the past by the same guy that he was facing, I would think that he would be well prepared for it to happen again like it did.
Originally posted by Stoic
They were pushing against each other Carver, this is more than evident when the Hulk side steps, and Cain continues to move in the direction that he was facing, but you have some people that would attempt to deceive just so that they will not lose a debate. I think that you would call that trolling.He was stopped dead in his tracks, and due to having been stopped in the past by the same guy that he was facing, I would think that he would be well prepared for it to happen again like it did.
I agree with you buddy. I want someone to THINK...that's all it takes is for him to THINK about it for a bit.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If Juggernaut even walks forwards his unstoppability is in effect. One step, he's unstoppable.He doesn't need to charge, he's never needed to charge. All he has to do is walk in some general direction. Bang, he's unstoppable.
And admitting he ran up to punch Hulk? Way to jizz acid all over your entire point.
I'm saying even if he did (which it doesn't show him doing) there is still a difference between running up to someone, trading punches, then grappling with them vs running at someone to plow through them.
It's not something he has to "charge" - charge is an action once momentum is gained.
If you are standing still pushing against a wall trying to move it, you aren't moving... Once it starts to give, then you will build up momentum.
It's been stated on panel, and from various sources.
He threw a running uppercut at Hulk. Like he Colossus threw against Kuurth.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well... that's certainly the same gosh darned attack.Anyway, it took me a couple hours, but I made a picture to show how big Juggernaut's foot is if he isn't doing a running uppercut.
Now I stretched the paged to show something blatantly obvious. I hope you're proud of yourself
Originally posted by carver9
Its too consistent though. TOO consistent. You say things as fact but you are wrong. You're still a cool guy though.
Haha thx bro. No problem agreeing to disagree. And I know I state things as fact, but I'm on my iPhone and don't have the time to sweeten up ever post with "imo" and etc.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Where does it show him running?
Juggernaut runs at the Hulk, trying to punch him down using his momentum to enhance the punch.
It doesn't work, Hulk stops him cold, they lock up. Juggernaut presses forward, Hulk gives a few centimetres, but then stops Juggernaut's forward momentum. The mansion's foundations start to give, Xavier screams at Juggernaut to stop it. Hulk sees Xavier and tells Juggernaut that he has things to do, steps aside, pats Juggernaut on the back and sees him off. Juggernaut having been prevented from moving forward all this time, cannot stop himself (unlike the Hulk, he clearly hasn't got the power) and instead runs into the lake.
Originally posted by OdekahnThat proves the exact opposite though.
His footing proves he's running?? Or maybe he just knows how to punch...
You see, Juggernaut's foot can not possibly be on the ground in that scan, as the outline I gave would make his foot impossibly long. It would make his foot longer than his entire calf by quite a bit. And this is from an actual great artist too.
Which leaves us to the conclusion that his foot is NOT on the ground. Which would put him in a running stance. Or, using your opinion, would mean he flipped his foot up while standing still to throw an uppercut... which is absolutely retarded. And again, goes way against your post.
So, there's two options since Juggernaut's foot is not on the ground at all:
Either Juggernaut is running at Hulk and throwing an uppercut. Which is conveniently the exact same thing Colossus did to Kuurth.
Or
Juggernaut is standing completely still throwing an uppercut. And he kicks his leg out and off the ground for absolutely no reason at all. For an uppercut.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Where does it show him running?
He is shown running up to hulk and punching from artistic depiction. We see that clearly....and that's prior to Bran having to break stretch the page while trying to spoon feed entirely comprehensible pictures.
The picture you posted goes entirely against your line of reasoning as it further invalidates the possibility of juggernaut throwing an uppercut due to the placement of his hind leg....
..Unless of course he was throwing some kind of unorthodox superman punch type uppercut ...which would be retarded.... but I dunno how far into absurdity you are prepared to descend.
Originally posted by OdekahnNo, you set out to try to prove a negative: Juggernaut could not have charged Hulk because they were in a toe-to-toe slugfest. First, that's really retarded. Second, nobody dumped that burden on you, you did it to yourself. Third, you had to do it, because you've got no other reasonable argument.
I didn't say he never COULD have charged him. I said he didn't, which is true unless you can prove otherwise. Just because he "could" have doesn't mean he did.
Originally posted by OdekahnEnglish, motherf@cker. Do you speak it? sam
That's because you are thinking in a spectacularly dumb false absolute way. Just because someone does or doesn't do something doesn't take away from their ability to do such. We call that CiS/piS.Of course it doesn't make sense with how you are describing it, lol. Juggernaut needs momentum. He's like a freight train but has to be going first. He also has super strength. Your inability to see and separate both powers is your shortsightedness.
Originally posted by OdekahnHe's obviously charging during a toe-to-toe slugfest. Something you claimed Juggernaut could not possibly have done to Hulk. Which proves your retarded logic false: Juggernaut fighting Hulk toe-to-toe does not necessarily mean he had no space to charge into Hulk.
There, he's obviously charging. Had that happened vs WWH then you would have a point.
That makes no sense in real life, and we see it proven false in a comic where Cytorrak's unstoppability enchantment is directly at play. Kuurth was stronger than Colossonaut. Kuurth was standing toe-to-toe with Colossonaut. Nevertheless, Colossonaut could still use his unstoppability enchantment on Kuurth.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but you're better served by sticking to using websites. Because every time you try to make a point, I'm nearly struck blind by the sheer imbecility of the words you type.
Just to add more fuel to the fire:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69171/1278445-juggggz.jpg
Juggs isn't building up any speed/momentum here and is simply throwing punches and pressing forward yet his enchantment is still at play.
Originally posted by ODG
No, you set out to try to prove a negative: Juggernaut could not have charged Hulk because they were in a toe-to-toe slugfest. First, that's really retarded. Second, nobody dumped that burden on you, you did it to yourself. Third, you had to do it, because you've got no other reasonable argument. English, motherf@cker. Do you speak it? sam He's obviously charging during a toe-to-toe slugfest. Something you claimed Juggernaut could not possibly have done to Hulk. Which proves your retarded logic false: Juggernaut fighting Hulk toe-to-toe does not necessarily mean he had no space to charge into Hulk.That makes no sense in real life, and we see it proven false in a comic where Cytorrak's unstoppability enchantment is directly at play. Kuurth was stronger than Colossonaut. Kuurth was standing toe-to-toe with Colossonaut. Nevertheless, Colossonaut could still use his unstoppability enchantment on Kuurth.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but you're better served by sticking to using websites. Because every time you try to make a point, I'm nearly struck blind by the sheer imbecility of the words you type.
The trail drawn in the scan indicates the path and pace imo. But really, I feel like we are just going in circles. I understand what you guys are saying, I just simply don't agree. Everything I've seen about the character, in all mediums, it was stated "once he builds momentum". Can you really not see why I might think that? Granted, only comics matter in this medium (and rightfully so). But our experiences with the character has caused us to interpret this scene differently. So be it.
Hulk still loses the fight. Juggernaut would eventually wear Hulk down. Juggernaut is far more durable and just as strong.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Just to add more fuel to the fire:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/69171/1278445-juggggz.jpg
Juggs isn't building up any speed/momentum here and is simply throwing punches and pressing forward yet his enchantment is still at play.
👆 this piss all over his argument.
By the way, this Hulk is stronger and his durability along with his healing factor coupled with that gives him the advantage here.
