Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
How is it up to me to prove that the tech gave Hulk mystical powers or not.? You came up with that claim, I didn't.

Again, it isn't up to me...I can easily post Apocalypse telling us that the tech aided in helping Hulk harness his power but first, I want you to present that scan where it states the tech gave Hulk mystical powers (lol). I'm tired of crushing you. Its too easy.

Carver, I know you are just used to looking at the pretty pictures, but read the dialogue here...

Originally posted by -Pr-
War Hulk is considered an amped Hulk.

Or do we all understand that already?

I agree, he is a Hulk above your average Hulk. Never said otherwise (even though it was stated that he is weaker than WWH).

I posted the scan because Odekahn said Juggernaut has never been stopped by brute strength alone, well, he has. He is also making some other claims as well that I need to correct...get him straight on.

But, the answer to your question is yes but that ft can also be used here as well.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he is a Hulk above your average Hulk. Never said otherwise (even though it was stated that he is weaker than WWH).

I posted the scan because Odekahn said Juggernaut has never been stopped by brute strength alone, well, he has. He is also making some other claims as well that I need to correct...get him straight on.

But, the answer to your question is yes but that ft can also be used here as well.

It can be used because you consider him weaker than WWH?

Originally posted by -Pr-
War Hulk is considered an amped Hulk.

Or do we all understand that already?

Everyone understands it, they just don't like it because it doesn't help their case. Denial imo.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Carver, I know you are just used to looking at the pretty pictures, but read the dialogue here...

I love the pretty pictures but what in the h*** does that have to do with magic?

No one is saying that's an average Hulk. The armor aided in helping Hulk channel "his own power". Do you not understand this? Now again, show me where you get the mystical part from?

Originally posted by -Pr-
It can be used because you consider him weaker than WWH?

I'm not using it but it can be used since again, it was stated that WWH is more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not using it but it can be used since again, it was stated that WWH is more powerful.

Where? Though tbh I already think I know the scan you're going to post.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Where? Though tbh I already think I know the scan you're going to post.

Not just one scan. I am going to post 5 or 6 scans. Don't think I need to though since you know what I am talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
Not just one scan. I am going to post 5 or 6 scans. Don't think I need to though since you know what I am talking about.

Yeah, and I don't necessarily agree.

When a character is amped by outside forces, it's kind of tricky to use it, especially when it comes to stuff like the Celestials.

Originally posted by carver9
I love the pretty pictures but what in the h*** does that have to do with magic?

No one is saying that's an average Hulk. The armor aided in helping Hulk channel "his own power". Do you not understand this? Now again, show me where you get the mystical part from?

Because apocalypse is crediting the celestials with the feat in the scene... Dense much? Lol smh

And the celestials are cosmic, no? Whether you call it magic or power cosmic is irrelevant to the point that HULK WAS AMPED, and that's not a valid feat to use for him under these conditions.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, and I don't necessarily agree.

When a character is amped by outside forces, it's kind of tricky to use it, especially when it comes to stuff like the Celestials.

I agree but this case is different. The Celestial tech helped Hulk use "his own power". That's all. That tech did something that WWH already knows how to do. Don't see why its unusable, especially since WWH is more powerful/stronger. Doesn't matter though, I'm not using it to help the argument here. I just wanted to prove him wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but this case is different. The Celestial tech helped Hulk use "his own power". That's all. That tech did something that WWH already knows how to do. Don't see why its unusable, especially since WWH is more powerful/stronger. Doesn't matter though, I'm not using it to help the argument here. I just wanted to prove him wrong.

It's not different though, as it's still a Celestial amp.

Even if WWH is stronger (and he may very well be), that doesn't validate the scan due to Hulk being amped.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Because apocalypse is crediting the celestials with the feat in the scene... Dense much? Lol smh

And the celestials are cosmic, no? Whether you call it magic or power cosmic is irrelevant to the point that HULK WAS AMPED, and that's not a valid feat to use for him under these conditions.

Why wouldn't he credit the Celestial tech since, well, it did its purpose in helping the Hulk use his own power. Lol at me being dense. You have the entire board arguing against you over something that's obvious. 😛

Yes, the Celestials are COSMIC beings, Hulk is also a cosmic being, has comsimc energy in him as well but what does that have to do with magic? Post that scan so that I can post the scan of what the Celstial tech did.

No one is saying he isn't amped, crazy. You said Juggernaut wasn't stopped physically, well, Hulk did it and I called you out on it. Now I am about to crush you yet again (I'm writing all of these times down). Post your scan please.

Originally posted by carver9
I just wanted to prove him wrong.

But you didn't lol.

You claimed that it was a feat for Hulk alone by brute strength (while acknowledging the celestial tech) and then ignored where Apoc's dialogue discredits what you were saying.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not different though, as it's still a Celestial amp.

Even if WWH is stronger (and he may very well be), that doesn't validate the scan due to Hulk being amped.

The tech assisted in helping Hulk amp at a rate he has never been capable of doing by himself. That's different than putting on Celestial tech and flying around blasting, teleporting, etc...it was nothing like that. It helped a slow in thebrain SSavage harness his own power.

Originally posted by Odekahn
But you didn't lol.

You claimed that it was a feat for Hulk alone by brute strength (while acknowledging the celestial tech) and then ignored where Apoc's dialogue discredits what you were saying.

Read above.

Originally posted by carver9
The tech assisted in helping Hulk amp at a rate he has never been capable of doing by himself. That's different than putting on Celestial tech and flying around blasting, teleporting, etc...it was nothing like that. It helped a slow in thebrain SSavage harness his own power.

An amp by celestial technology is an amp by celestial technology is an amp by celestial technology.

That makes it not valid. It's like Wolverine cutting Colossus when demonised.

Originally posted by -Pr-
An amp by celestial technology is an amp by celestial technology is an amp by celestial technology.

That makes it not valid. It's like Wolverine cutting Colossus when demonised.

I hope you're sitting down on a comfy couch with a cup of coffees because this is about to be a llllooooonng debate... I don't think you are getting what I am saying.

The ft isn't valid, I agree but again, the Celestial tech didn't do anything outside of what Hulk could have done if he wasnt so retarded (Savage Hulk). Please don't make me go look for this scan...its too much work.

This is different than the Wolverine scene.

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldn't he credit the Celestial tech since, well, it did its purpose in helping the Hulk use his own power. Lol at me being dense. You have the entire board arguing against you over something that's obvious. 😛

Yes, the Celestials are COSMIC beings, Hulk is also a cosmic being, has comsimc energy in him as well but what does that have to do with magic? Post that scan so that I can post the scan of what the Celstial tech did.

No one is saying he isn't amped, crazy. You said Juggernaut wasn't stopped physically, well, Hulk did it and I called you out on it. Now I am about to crush you yet again (I'm writing all of these times down). Post your scan please.

And I never said MAGIC, I said mystic. Yes, magic IS a type of mysticism, but it's not the only type. Celestials fall under that category imo, but that's a semantics debate. The POINT is that Hulk was aided by the tech. You claim he did it by his own brute strength. He didn't. He was aided by celestial equipment. Celestial > Jugs enchantment.

Originally posted by Odekahn
And I never said MAGIC, I said mystic. Yes, magic IS a type of mysticism, but it's not the only type. Celestials fall under that category imo, but that's a semantics debate. The POINT is that Hulk was aided by the tech. You claim he did it by his own brute strength. He didn't. He was aided by celestial equipment. Celestial > Jugs enchantment.

He did it by brute strength which was stated in the scan I posted. You said mystic/magic. I want to see a scan please.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that since Hulk had that armor on, that made him equal to a Celestial?