Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
I hope you're sitting down on a comfy couch with a cup of coffees because this is about to be a llllooooonng debate... I don't think you are getting what I am saying.

The ft isn't valid, I agree but again, the Celestial tech didn't do anything outside of what Hulk could have done if he wasnt so retarded (Savage Hulk). Please don't make me go look for this scan...its too much work.

This is different than the Wolverine scene.

How can you agree AND disagree at the same time?

I never argued that Hulk was any stronger or weaker than WWH. You want to argue that the Celestial amp allowed him to focus his energies more directly? Go ahead, it's not something I'm really interested in.

All I care about is the validity of the scan, nothing more.

Originally posted by carver9
He did it by brute strength which was stated in the scan I posted. You said mystic/magic. I want to see a scan please.

Where? All I saw was Apoc's crediting the celestials.

And I said by mystical means. The scope of what mystical can mean is more than just magic. I never said magic, so don't use the words interchangibly when quoting me.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that since Hulk had that armor on, that made him equal to a Celestial?

Wtf? No.

So an Celestialamped Hulk (War Hulk) stopped Juggs. WWH didn't, else he would have beaten the crap out of him like he did with anyone else during the arc. Yet he bfred him because he couldn't hold him back, nor stop him, nor defeat him. That's at least is obvious.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So an Celestialamped Hulk (War Hulk) stopped Juggs. WWH didn't, else he would have beaten the crap out of him like he did with anyone else during the arc. Yet he bfred him because he couldn't hold him back, nor stop him, nor defeat him. That's at least is obvious.

WWH stopped him. WWH is more powerful than War Hulk (stated on panel 4 to 5 times). He bfred him just like he bfred and got rid of other characters...because he wasn't there to hurt them. I cant think of a single person Hulk killed or brutally attacked during that arc minus Zom Strange. He set a purpose and accomplished it. Juggernaut was just in the way.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Where? All I saw was Apoc's crediting the celestials.

And I said by mystical means. The scope of what mystical can mean is more than just magic. I never said magic, so don't use the words interchangibly when quoting me.

Wtf? No.

Read the scan. We're done here.

Originally posted by carver9
WWH stopped him. WWH is more powerful than War Hulk (stated on panel 4 to 5 times). He bfred him just like he bfred and got rid of other characters...because he wasn't there to hurt them. I cant think of a single person Hulk killed or brutally attacked during that arc minus Zom Strange. He set a purpose and accomplished it. Juggernaut was just in the way.

WWH did not stop him. He prevented him from gaining momentum at first but was pushed back slowly.
He bfred him because he couldn't beat him physically.

Originally posted by carver9
Read the scan. We're done here.

No where on this entire scan...

does it say anything about...

Originally posted by carver9
The Celestial tech helped Hulk use "his own power". That's all.

^this is a claim you have made and NOT backed up.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
WWH did not stop him. He prevented him from gaining momentum at first but was pushed back slowly.
He bfred him because he couldn't beat him physically.

👆 Why this is so hard for some to grasp, I do not know.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well... that's certainly the same gosh darned attack.

Anyway, it took me a couple hours, but I made a picture to show how big Juggernaut's foot is if he isn't doing a running uppercut.

Are you really telling me that Juggernaut and Hulk isn't charging each other in this scene. Take off the Hulk hate glasses for a minute and look at the scan. Look at the scene afterwards where Hulk stops him dead in his track. Then the scan after this, they are in the same position. Juggernaut could NOT move him.

Originally posted by Odekahn
👆 Why this is so hard for some to grasp, I do not know.

Wonder why 9 to 10 people are grasping this, some of the best debaters on the forum but you and Batman P cant grasp it. Its beyond my grasp to understand you two.

Originally posted by Odekahn
No where on this entire scan...

does it say anything about...

^this is a claim you have made and NOT backed up.

Where did I say it was on THAT scan where it was stated what the tech was suppose to do for Hulk? I never said that. Now again, show me that scan of Magic being the case of Hulk stopping Juggernaut. In that scan, it does bring up Hulks strength though.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder why 9 to 10 people are grasping this, some of the best debaters on the forum but you and Batman P cant grasp it. Its beyond my grasp to understand you two.

Dude, he used a red tentacle made out of the celestial tech to toss Juggernaut, he was clearly amped, and you want to give Hulk all the credit for that despite Juggernaut pushing him back until he actively used the amp.

I don't hate Hulk, I'm just not going to ignore things to give him credit over another due to favoritism.

Originally posted by carver9
Read the scan. We're done here.

Because you said "read the scan"

That is the scan we have been talking about and you haven't linked any others.

Originally posted by carver9
👆 this piss all over his argument.

By the way, this Hulk is stronger and his durability along with his healing factor coupled with that gives him the advantage here.

Originally posted by carver9
Where did I say it was on THAT scan where it was stated what the tech was suppose to do for Hulk? I never said that. Now again, show me that scan of Magic being the case of Hulk stopping Juggernaut. In that scan, it does bring up Hulks strength though.

No, it doesn't. The name "Hulk" is literally NOT ANYWHERE ON THAT SCAN. Not yelling btw, just emphasizing, lol.

And you must read forums as well as you read comics, because I already addressed that I never said magic.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I don't think it's any coincidence this thread has reached the heights of stupidity that it has, the level of denial is actually quite funny . He seems to dislike the Hulk character which is fine everyone is entitled to their opinion, but he clearly isn't here for any kind of objective debate.

I agree. It seems like every thread he is in discrediting fts tend to be about Hulk. I dont know why I am debating against the guy when people that isn't even interested in the thread came in here correcting him. I'm done. I will debate against him on characters not involving Hulk.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I don't think it's any coincidence this thread has reached the heights of stupidity that it has, the level of denial is actually quite funny . He seems to dislike the Hulk character which is fine everyone is entitled to their opinion, but he clearly isn't here for any kind of objective debate.

I don't hate Hulk, I'm a fan of Hulk.

I'm just not willing to give him a feat where none exists.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Because you said "read the scan"

That is the scan we have been talking about and you haven't linked any others.

We are done here.

Originally posted by carver9
We are done here.

You mean you are done, it's my day off. I'm here all day. Lol.

Juggernaut wins via repeated brain trama.

P.S. So much for "crushing me".

Get outta my thread.

Lol, couldn't resist. Just playing btw 😛