Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Started by Batman-Prime486 pages
Originally posted by Stoic
Are you saying that Cain was de-powered at that period in comic history? i thought that this happened several years after that comic came out.

He was depowered every phucking time I say it. Which means every time Hulk did more then tickle him! uhuh
I love the Hulk, he is my most fav Char ever but he stands no chance in hell against Juggernaut or Wolverine or Batman or Kyle or Quicksilver or Rhino or Blob or Toad....

Edit: He would beat Guy Gardner though, or stalemate him at the very least.

Originally posted by Stoic
We all saw that the Hulk had the potential to stop the Juggernaut. The tech that he was using only helped him to better focus his power. i don't understand why it is that many people do not understand this little thing. For instance if the same tech were placed on Captain America it would not allow him to get stronger with rage. To clearly back this small fact, War was pushed like a plow for several hundred yards before he tapped into enough strength to slow Cain down to a near stop, whereas Cain was unable to plow the Hulk (Green Scar version) due to him being trained on Sakaar on how to consciously tap into his power. The Hulk has always had the potential to stop or slow Cain down. In WW Hulk he was simply written up to those levels. If not, Cain would have done the same thing that he'd done to War. Furthermore, it was written on panel, that the Green Scar was the most powerful version of the Hulk ever. This includes War Hulk. Will you ignore this as well?
Originally posted by Odekahn
That would be like saying a knife didn't aid you in cutting a steak, lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

That's how you punch a Juggernaut.

👆 Hell yeah

Originally posted by Odekahn

The tendril had nothing to do with his ability to stop or at the very least slow Cain to a near halt. This knife bit that you have going on is nonsensical. Please refrain from using it as some form of a dispute that it was in some way the reason for War Hulk slowing Cain down, and making him scream out "IMPOSSIBLE". The Green Scar also slowed or stopped Cain's approach, or he would not have sped off into the lake bed once the Hulk side stepped. he did not have any Celestial tech to aid him either, which should be noted. this means that everything that War did was well within the Hulk's ability to do without utilizing such tech. he only needed to tap into his well of power.

Originally posted by Stoic
The tendril had nothing to do with his ability to stop or at the very least slow Cain to a near halt. This knife bit that you have going on is nonsensical. Please refrain from using it as some form of a dispute that it was in some way the reason for War Hulk slowing Cain down, and making him scream out "IMPOSSIBLE". The Green Scar also slowed or stopped Cain's approach, or he would not have sped off into the lake bed once the Hulk side stepped. he did not have any Celestial tech to aid him either, which should be noted. this means that everything that War did was well within the Hulk's ability to do without utilizing such tech. he only needed to tap into his well of power.

^yeah, that's why Apocalypse was explaining that it was the power of the Celestials that accomplished it. That's on panel. It's a fact. And the feat isn't legal anyways per the discussion as proof as Hulk is considered amped.

Also, Juggernaut took off because once Hulk stopped holding him back, he instantly gained momentum, but wasn't ready for it and got caught off guard when WWH let go. It would be like us playing tug of war, neither able to move the other, then I suddenly let go of the rope.

Hulk outsmarted Juggernaut to BFR him.

If the fight had continued to either KO or Death, Cain would have eventually won.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I see a weak Hulk beating an depowered Juggernaut, that's like beating a Kryptonian next to the red sun with some KRyptonite up his ass.

😕

Originally posted by Odekahn
^yeah, that's why Apocalypse was explaining that it was the power of the Celestials that accomplished it. That's on panel. It's a fact. And the feat isn't legal anyways per the discussion as proof as Hulk is considered amped.

Also, Juggernaut took off because once Hulk stopped holding him back, he instantly gained momentum, but wasn't ready for it and got caught off guard when WWH let go. It would be like us playing tug of war, neither able to move the other, then I suddenly let go of the rope.

Hulk outsmarted Juggernaut to BFR him.

If the fight had continued to either KO or Death, Cain would have eventually won.

What you said was exactly what I said, but you attempted to twist it. The Hulk held an opponent from advancing on him due to his immense strength advantage on Cain which is shown in the scan that Rage posted of Thor overpowering Cain, and showing how strong he truly is without his force field. The Hulk side stepped, and Cain sped off in the direction that he was pushing in, and at a rate of speed comparable to the speed that he pushed War at. War was not as powerful as the Green Scar version of the Hulk, which was written on panel, and not in a citation of wiki that can be edited at any given time by someone more than willing to lean on their own understanding like yourself.

The Celestial tech only used what was there from the get go. They did not re-invent the Hulk or how his powers work. I'm hoping that something this simple to see will be acknowledged by you, but if not... I'm sorry for your lack of comprehension. The green Scar went above the power rating that it took to just stop Cain, and if he really went at it with Cain the way that he went at it with Betty in the Dark Dimension, he would have defeated Cain with ease.

Odekahn isn't making one bit of sense. If he/Juggernaut wasnt pushing against Hulk, he wouldn't have flew off like he did once Hulk side stepped him. Also, the only thing that was Celestial about War Hulk is the sword and whip...that's it. The helmet came from Apocalyse and the armor was Apocalypse as well.

Lol, you guys are spending way too much time indulging his trollish lunacy. He doesn't have a cogent argument, hence the circles he keeps going around in and the asinine things he says "Also, Juggernaut took off because once Hulk stopped holding him back, he instantly gained momentum, but wasn't ready for it and got caught off guard when WWH let go." ... which is basically where he flips back to the disconnect of "but Juggernaut was standing still and just punching. He wasn't trying to move forward!".

The simple facts are that, those who do not like the fact that Marvel depicted Hulk as stopping Juggernaut, twice. Will always deny it, try and worm their way out of it, deny logic, writer intent, writer statements and common sense.

You have Apocalypse saying that Hulk's power allied to the Celestial tech is enough power to challenge The Celestials themselves. You have him commenting on how the tech channels and manages the energies pouring through the Hulk. And you have War demonstrating that he uses pure strength to stop Juggernaut.

Accept that some people hate the character or got themselves into a stupid position and are too embarrassed to concede to common sense.

It's wisest to realise that KMC is hostile to Hulk in general, has been for years.

Originally posted by Stoic
What you said was exactly what I said, but you attempted to twist it. The Hulk held an opponent from advancing on him due to his immense strength advantage on Cain which is shown in the scan that Rage posted of Thor overpowering Cain, and showing how strong he truly is without his force field. The Hulk side stepped, and Cain sped off in the direction that he was pushing in, and at a rate of sped comparable to the speed that he pushed War at. War was not as powerful as the Green Scar version of the Hulk, which was written on panel, and not in a citation of wiki that can be edited at any given time by someone more than willing to lean on their own understanding like yourself.

The Celestial tech only used what was there from the get go. They did not re-invent the Hulk or how his powers work. I'm hoping that something this simple to see will be acknowledged by you, but if not... I'm sorry for your lack of comprehension. The green Scar went above the power rating that it took to just stop Cain, and if he really went at it with Cain the way that he went at it with Betty in the Dark Dimension, he would have defeated Cain with ease.

Smh. I'm not sure how many more times I'm going to have to make this point.

Juggernaut needs momentum to become unstoppable. If he is already stopped like he was when grappled up with Hulk then he isn't marching forward. He was pushing, in place, against Hulk and visa versa. He didn't have any momentum at that point because rather than charging through Hulk like he should have, he was pissed and started punching him instead.

And I'm done explaining the obvious. The War Hulk feat isn't applicable.

You have him commenting on how the tech channels and manages the energies pouring through the Hulk.

Did he really said that? Well, I think if u can provide some kind of scan or something for that, then this debate will probably be in Hulk's favor. From my readin this debate, Khan was simply saying that during the match up with War Hulk, Apocalypse credited celestial tech for the outcome...which was shown on panel...so i can see why he's questioning the validity of Hulk's inherent ability.

Originally posted by janus77
Lol, you guys are spending way too much time indulging his trollish lunacy. He doesn't have a cogent argument, hence the circles he keeps going around in and the asinine things he says "Also, Juggernaut took off because once Hulk [b]stopped holding him back, he instantly gained momentum, but wasn't ready for it and got caught off guard when WWH let go." ... which is basically where he flips back to the disconnect of "but Juggernaut was standing still and just punching. He wasn't trying to move forward!".

The simple facts are that, those who do not like the fact that Marvel depicted Hulk as stopping Juggernaut, twice. Will always deny it, try and worm their way out of it, deny logic, writer intent, writer statements and common sense.

You have Apocalypse saying that Hulk's power allied to the Celestial tech is enough power to challenge The Celestials themselves. You have him commenting on how the tech channels and manages the energies pouring through the Hulk. And you have War demonstrating that he uses pure strength to stop Juggernaut.

Accept that some people hate the character or got themselves into a stupid position and are too embarrassed to concede to common sense.

It's wisest to realise that KMC is hostile to Hulk in general, has been for years. [/B]

Juggernaut WAS trying to advance forward against Hulk when they locked up. But since he didn't have any momentum AT THAT POINT he wasn't unstoppable.

Originally posted by dynamix
[B]You have him commenting on how the tech channels and manages the energies pouring through the Hulk.

Did he really said that? Well, I think if u can provide some kind of scan or something for that, then this debate will probably be in Hulk's favor. From my readin this debate, Khan was simply saying that during the match up with War Hulk, Apocalypse credited celestial tech for the outcome...which was shown on panel...so i can see why he's questioning the validity of Hulk's inherent ability. [/B]


There are scans of it, where Apocalypse states the purpose of the tech.

I'm just not bothering to engage with his lunacy. As highlighted, he has no coherent position whatsoever and makes up "facts" about The Juggernaut, that he pulls out of his arse.

You want to believe him, go ahead 🙂.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Juggernaut WAS trying to advance forward against Hulk when they locked up. But since he didn't have any momentum AT THAT POINT he wasn't unstoppable.

You realise you're talking rubbish, right?
You didn't see Juggernaut charging at Hulk. You have no common sense, or atleast your ego is too invested to be honest about the pictures in front of you, hence the idiotic stuff you've been making up for the last few pages.

I feel sorry for people who treat you as if you were open to reason, you gave in to your ego long ago, they're just wasting time dealing with the fallout.

Originally posted by janus77
he has no coherent position whatsoever and makes up "facts" about The Juggernaut, that he pulls out of his arse.

You want to believe him, go ahead 🙂.

ODG,

This^ was my reason for posting links to websites earlier. I simply wanted to show that the idea of "once he builds momentum" wasn't shared by myself alone. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone started saying something ridiculous like this.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Juggernaut WAS trying to advance forward against Hulk when they locked up. But since he didn't have any momentum AT THAT POINT he wasn't unstoppable.

He did have momentum as he walked into the lock up with the Hulk and continued to push but was denied. You can clearly see this in the scan, but for some odd reason you want to pretend that it does not exist, even though there are traction marks beneath their very feet to prove as much. Cain was simply pushing against a guy capable of generating the need power that it would take to stop him dead, or at the very least slow him to a very slow crawl. This once again is proven when the Hulk moves aside, and Cain speeds off in the direction that Cain was pushing towards. Cain has gained momentum from walking on air, his feet do not require him to be touching any surface from on panel evidence. he was simply unable to do his routine because he ran into a power greater than his own.

There is another thing that Cain would not be able to budge even if he were walking, and that would be to budge Thor's hammer if it were sitting on the ground. You know what that tells me? He is not truly unstoppable that's what. So just like Superman has a limit, Hulk also has a limit, and Cain has a limit. It's just rare to see a character that can actually test those limits. Cain was measured, and a limit was placed on him several times in his history.

Originally posted by janus77
You realise you're talking rubbish, right?
You didn't see Juggernaut charging at Hulk. You have no common sense, or atleast your ego is too invested to be honest about the pictures in front of you, hence the idiotic stuff you've been making up for the last few pages.

I feel sorry for people who treat you as if you were open to reason, you gave in to your ego long ago, they're just wasting time dealing with the fallout.

I'm very open to reason, I just haven't seen you make any yet.

Originally posted by Stoic
He did have momentum as he walked into the lock up with the Hulk and continued to push but was denied. You can clearly see this in the scan, but for some odd reason you want to pretend that it does not exist, even though there are traction marks beneath their very feet to prove as much. Cain was simply pushing against a guy capable of generating the need power that it would take to stop him dead, or at the very least slow him to a very slow crawl. This once again is proven when the Hulk moves aside, and Cain speeds off in the direction that Cain was pushing towards. Cain has gained momentum from walking on air, his feet do not require him to be touching any surface from on panel evidence. he was simply unable to do his routine because he ran into a power greater than his own.

There is another thing that Cain would not be able to budge even if he were walking, and that would be to budge Thor's hammer if it were sitting on the ground. You know what that tells me? He is not truly unstoppable that's what. So just like Superman has a limit, Hulk also has a limit, and Cain has a limit. It's just rare to see a character that can actually test those limits. Cain was measured, and a limit was placed on him several times in his history.

He didn't walk up to him. They were shoulder width apart trading blows, lol.

Originally posted by janus77
There are scans of it, where Apocalypse states the purpose of the tech.

I'm just not bothering to engage with his lunacy. As highlighted, he has no coherent position whatsoever and makes up "facts" about The Juggernaut, that he pulls out of his arse.

You want to believe him, go ahead 🙂.

Truth.

Originally posted by Stoic
Truth.