Originally posted by ODG👆
Gladiator no-sold a punch and got carried off into the air and thrown away. Juggernaut was not stopped.
The comic book adaption of that event was a little different, but still similar enough:
Well, since Odekahn cannot in any way bring forth anything to go against Juggernaut running at Hulk, I'm going to give some people something to think about.
Since we know for a fact that Juggernaut is not unstoppable to someone on Hulk's level, that leaves the question of how far his unstoppability goes. Which, using how we know momentum works, he'd be harder to stop the faster he goes. Which might lessen the feat of WWH, but keep in mind he still did what was supposed to be impossible.
Basically, WWH can stop a running Juggernaut instantly. The Godblast can instantly stop him and push him back. And War Hulk can stop a full force speeding Juggernaut after some problems.
Now, if his unstoppability has nothing to do with speed, then all of these are the exact same. And if his unstoppability works better the faster he goes (which sounds ****ing retarded), then WWH did the bare minimum to stop him.
Though of course, none of this matters since Hulk isn't dumb enough to get into a pushing contest with him... It also stopped mattering because I completely lost my train of thought after like the second paragraph and gave up entirely after the last paragraph
I think the unstoppability would be invalidated, even in its more modest and demonstrably stoppable form, if it had any relation to the momentum Juggernaut built up.
Aside from the force of the collision, Juggernaut's weight and the speed he's travelling at, I don't imagine any thing else is added to the "unstoppability".
If it does have a relation to how fast the Juggernaut is travelling to begin with, then by the very fact of that relationship it becomes a question of degree and not an "absolute". Which would then lead into the whole - "WWH" stopped a slow Juggernaut, Godblast pushed back a walking Juggernaut and War Hulk stopped a faster Juggernaut...
Juggernaut's enchantment is hyperbole, which is natural as everything in comics is hyperbolic, but the fans can't accept that. Which is why you'll find people arguing for Juggernaut against Galactus on KMC.
People just forget that Juggernaut is only a fraction of the power of Cyttorak and he himself is pretty much a minor force in MU, so he cannot genuinely provide "unstoppability", no more than Odin can imbue Thor with the power to fight Cyttorak...
Originally posted by Galan007PC Superman everyone
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(fun starts at 1:50)The comic book adaption of that event was a little different, but still similar enough:
Originally posted by janus77Juggernaut's unstoppability enchantment is about as much hyperbole as Mjolnir's worthiness enchantment is. As in, it's not.
I think the unstoppability would be invalidated, even in its more modest and demonstrably stoppable form, if it had any relation to the momentum Juggernaut built up.Aside from the force of the collision, Juggernaut's weight and the speed he's travelling at, I don't imagine any thing else is added to the "unstoppability".
If it does have a relation to how fast the Juggernaut is travelling to begin with, then by the very fact of that relationship it becomes a question of degree and not an "absolute". Which would then lead into the whole - "WWH" stopped a slow Juggernaut, Godblast pushed back a walking Juggernaut and War Hulk stopped a faster Juggernaut...
Juggernaut's enchantment is hyperbole, which is natural as everything in comics is hyperbolic, but the fans can't accept that. Which is why you'll find people arguing for Juggernaut against Galactus on KMC.
People just forget that Juggernaut is only a fraction of the power of Cyttorak and he himself is pretty much a minor force in MU, so he cannot genuinely provide "unstoppability", no more than Odin can imbue Thor with the power to fight Cyttorak...
Originally posted by janus77I agree in a way.
I think the unstoppability would be invalidated, even in its more modest and demonstrably stoppable form, if it had any relation to the momentum Juggernaut built up.Aside from the force of the collision, Juggernaut's weight and the speed he's travelling at, I don't imagine any thing else is added to the "unstoppability".
If it does have a relation to how fast the Juggernaut is travelling to begin with, then by the very fact of that relationship it becomes a question of degree and not an "absolute". Which would then lead into the whole - "WWH" stopped a slow Juggernaut, Godblast pushed back a walking Juggernaut and War Hulk stopped a faster Juggernaut...
Juggernaut's enchantment is hyperbole, which is natural as everything in comics is hyperbolic, but the fans can't accept that. Which is why you'll find people arguing for Juggernaut against Galactus on KMC.
People just forget that Juggernaut is only a fraction of the power of Cyttorak and he himself is pretty much a minor force in MU, so he cannot genuinely provide "unstoppability", no more than Odin can imbue Thor with the power to fight Cyttorak...
I mostly threw it out there because Odekahn's arguments blow all sorts of anus blood.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Clearly anyone above the power of the enchanter would be able to do so.
Why Odin is a God, but not of consequence to someone like Beyonder etc etc...
That's why I say the claim that Juggernaut is unstoppable is naturally hyperbole. It just cannot be so when you look at the powers out there in the MU.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sucks copious amounts of sackskin?That better?
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By the way...good post everyone. Its as clear as day what happened during that scene. I'm interested in Bran question above. What or who could stop Juggernaut...the weakest person? I don't think using Hulk as a pedistal, especially the versions of Hulk that stopped him is a good way to start.
Originally posted by carver9Unfortunately that's all we have besides the Godblast, and the Godblast probably should have killed him... So you basically have to work backwards from an amped Hulk either way and try and figure that out...
😂 😂By the way...good post everyone. Its as clear as day what happened during that scene. I'm interested in Bran question above. What or who could stop Juggernaut...the weakest person? I don't think using Hulk as a pedistal, especially the versions of Hulk that stopped him is a good way to start.
Which is a terrible basis, and also doesn't look good for a lot of characters actually stopping Juggernaut.
It involves a crazy amount of speculation, which is good for Juggernaut's character, but not for finding out an actual limit. Somewhere under War Hulk/WWH level is the limit though.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Unfortunately that's all we have besides the Godblast, and the Godblast probably should have killed him... So you basically have to work backwards from an amped Hulk either way and try and figure that out...Which is a terrible basis, and also doesn't look good for a lot of characters actually stopping Juggernaut.
It involves a crazy amount of speculation, which is good for Juggernaut's character, but not for finding out an actual limit. Somewhere under War Hulk/WWH level is the limit though.
So we would have to debate on/find characters "as strong" as those two (War and WWH)?
Originally posted by carver9For finding out who could do it? Yes.
So we would have to debate on/find characters "as strong" as those two (War and WWH)?
But it's doubtful his enchantment was just capped off at WWH/War Hulk level, so it's likely a lesser level could do it. How much lower is quite a question though.
Lower like Thor? Lower like Superman? Lower like Doomsday?
It just becomes complete speculation at that point. But we know someone just a bit stronger than Juggernaut can't stop Juggernaut in Kuurth, so you basically have to go up from there but then below WWH.
Enchantment > A little above Juggernaut strength level. But WWH > Enchantment. Figure out that middle ground.
Muddy stuff basically.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
For finding out who could do it? Yes.But it's doubtful his enchantment was just capped off at WWH/War Hulk level, so it's likely a lesser level could do it. How much lower is quite a question though.
Lower like Thor? Lower like Superman? Lower like Doomsday?
It just becomes complete speculation at that point. But we know someone just a bit stronger than Juggernaut can't stop Juggernaut in Kuurth, so you basically have to go up from there but then below WWH.
Enchantment > A little above Juggernaut strength level. But WWH > Enchantment. Figure out that middle ground.
Muddy stuff basically.
Makes sense. Sounds hectic as hell though. During that instance, would you consider WWH pissed, rage pissed?
