Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
It is not a fact that Juggernaut can't be hurt.

sure it is 😉

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

It has been proven many times that he CAN be hurt.

and its been proven many more times that he is -physically- indestructable. there are ways to hurt him. but not physically.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

It just takes a more powerful force than his mystical force.

his mystical-ness isnt a force in the first place so how can a physical force overcome it??? you cannot surpass it unless you are so powerful than you can make literally impossible things happen. this is going to happen when you are talking about extremely powerful beings like eternity. can hulk do it??? can hulk hit so hard he makes reality buckle?? can hulk hit so hard that he can make things fall up??? can hulk hit so hard that he makes ice catch on fire??? can hulk hit so hard that he can make fish drown in water??? can hulk hit so hard that he causes physical harm to juggernaut??? NO he cannot.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

While both Juggernaut and Hulk have defeated the other, Juggernaut only won by an ambush.

to which hulk DID fight back. and hulk has only won being exponentially boosted by 2 universes of engergies and celestial tech allowing him to harness it. whats your point???

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

Hulk has beaten the holy hell out of Juggernaut and would eventually do so in any fight where he was aware of who his opponent was.

he hasnt "beat the holy hell out of juggernaut". you are the kind of person that reads half the story then assumes he knows everything about it. please state one issue where he beats the holy hell out of juggernaut on his own power?? this should be interesting.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

This whole 'nobody can hurt Juggernaut' is absurd.

the whole hulk can physically harm juggernaut is absurd....

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

That's what the CHARACTER CLAIMS.

its also what hulks writers claim with the incident in hulk 404. hulk cannot harm juggernaut physically.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

When you actually READ his appearances, you will see he can be hurt by stronger foes such as Thor and Hulk. This would be a difficult fight, but Hulk CAN hurt Juggernaut, simple as that.

thor damaged him by negating -most- of his powers. then he would theoretically be harming cain marko. he could never harm the JUGGERNAUT. neither could hulk. i have read and still do read his appearances. i think its you who should take a look at them, and if you have read them do so a little closer. this would be a good fight, but hulk CANT hurt juggernaut. simple as that.

But he has. I guess things'll start falling up soon in the Marvel U.

hahaha

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
sure it is 😉

thor damaged him by negating -most- of his powers. then he would theoretically be harming cain marko. he could never harm the JUGGERNAUT. neither could hulk. i have read and still do read his appearances. i think its you who should take a look at them, and if you have read them do so a little closer. this would be a good fight, but hulk CANT hurt juggernaut. simple as that.

So by your standards if Thor hits Hulk, he's actually hurting Bruce Banner...but wait Banner is Hulk?...isn't Cain Marko Juggernaut?.....Wait a minute...I understand! JuggernautFan is running out of arguements!!!!!

Originally posted by Abaddon
So by your standards if Thor hits Hulk, he's actually hurting Bruce Banner...but wait Banner is Hulk?...isn't Cain Marko Juggernaut?.....Wait a minute...I understand! JuggernautFan is running out of arguements!!!!!

no i'm not running out of arguements you are wait a minute..... here it comes......... to stupid to understand

cain marko possesses the power of the juggernaut. if you negate that mystical energy he is no longer the juggernaut. you shouldnt compare bruce banner and hulk to cain marko and the juggernaut. the juggernaut is anybody who is powered by the crimson bands of cyttorak. not just anybody can be hulk 🙂

Umm yeah, anyone who was in the gamma radiation blast could of been Hulk. As illustrated by the what if story where that guy Banner saves is Hulk instead.

yes, but after that...... there is only 1 hulk. anywhere anytime anybody who touches the crystal of cyttorak can become juggernaut. it is totally different.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan

cain marko possesses the power of the juggernaut. if you negate that mystical energy he is no longer the juggernaut. you shouldnt compare bruce banner and hulk to cain marko and the juggernaut. the juggernaut is anybody who is powered by the crimson bands of cyttorak. not just anybody can be hulk 🙂

Ok, I'll compare him to Iron Man then (since anyone can wear the suit). If you hit Iron Man you hurt the one inside. Cain Marko is still the Juggernaut. By the same principle, if you hurt Juggernaut (which I admit is very hard) you hurt Cain Marko. If you don't like Iron Man as an example, how about Venom? SHAZAM!? The way you talk about Juggernaut, I could swear you want to bear his children.

Originally posted by Abaddon
Ok, I'll compare him to Iron Man then (since anyone can wear the suit).

ok.......

Originally posted by Abaddon

If you hit Iron Man you hurt the one inside.

actually tony stark could never go toe-to-toe with hulk. but iron man can 🙂

Originally posted by Abaddon

Cain Marko is still the Juggernaut. By the same principle, if you hurt Juggernaut (which I admit is very hard) you hurt Cain Marko.

see here is where you are contradicting yourself. so long as cain marko possesses the power of the juggernaut, you cant harm him. thor negated the "juggernaut" power. or most of it anyway. hence he could harm cain marko. not the juggernaut......... get it yet??

Originally posted by Abaddon
If you don't like Iron Man as an example, how about Venom? SHAZAM!? The way you talk about Juggernaut, I could swear you want to bear his children.

all of the afformentioned peoples powers work different than juggernauts...... you are so hell bent on trying to compare somebody but its not going to work.

Originally posted by Abaddon
I'm gay

really should keep things like this to yourself.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
yes, but after that...... there is only 1 hulk. anywhere anytime anybody who touches the crystal of cyttorak can become juggernaut. it is totally different.

Ummm... yeah that's what i mean. Anyone, anywhere, anytime if someone is in the right zone of a gamma bomb they can become the hulk.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Ummm... yeah that's what i mean. Anyone, anywhere, anytime if someone is in the right zone of a gamma bomb they can become the hulk.

then why is there only one hulk???? many people can share the power of juggernaut.......... hulk cannot split his power to 15 different people. but juggernaut can.

if you guys want to discuss something worthy please get back on topic and stop acting like morons.......

I refer you to my What if reference.

All your saying is that Jugs and Cain are different people, stop trying to bend words and meanings to get a false point across. Jugs and Cain are one and the same. Cain bearing the power of Jugs is the same as Stark wearing armor. It is also the same as Billy Batson bearing the powers of SHAZAM! And whether you like it or not, Juggernaut can be harmed.

what ifs................. are different realities and mean nothing in main stream marvel. if you want to talk about what ifs and alternate time/realities pick up the J2 story line. in which J2 (juggernauts son with half or less of juggernauts power) stalemates hulk. how is that for alternate realities????

obviously even J2 means nothing. so i dont have to refer to any alternate realities......

Originally posted by Abaddon
All your saying is that Jugs and Cain are different people, stop trying to bend words and meanings to get a false point across. Jugs and Cain are one and the same. Cain bearing the power of Jugs is the same as Stark wearing armor. It is also the same as Billy Batson bearing the powers of SHAZAM! And whether you like it or not, Juggernaut can be harmed.

weather you like it or not...... he cant...... not by physical means anyway.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
what ifs................. are different realities and mean nothing in main stream marvel. if you want to talk about what ifs and alternate time/realities pick up the J2 story line. in which J2 (juggernauts son with half or less of juggernauts power) stalemates hulk. how is that for alternate realities????

obviously even J2 means nothing. so i dont have to refer to any alternate realities......

What Ifs may be alternate realities but they are also the speculations of the Watchers. This has to be at least as valid as some of the speculations made by the people on these forums, which is why i beleive them to be valid for the porpuses of these debates.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
What Ifs may be alternate realities but they are also the speculations of the Watchers. This has to be at least as valid as some of the speculations made by the people on these forums, which is why i beleive them to be valid for the porpuses of these debates.

they mean nothing. you do know there is a "what if the punisher killed the universe" or something along those lines...... so does that have validity???

actually by you saying they do you just admitted juggernaut at half power (an inexperienced half powered juggernaut at that) could stale-mate the hulk. so by extension you would have to admit that a full powered juggernaut would murder him.

Juggernautfan, get your mouth off of Jugernauts d*ck and learn how to make fun of people. The gay comment was very original, just like your Juggernaut comments. In other words, stop making stuff up.

Originally posted by Abaddon
Juggernautfan, get your mouth off of Jugernauts d*ck and learn how to make fun of people. The gay comment was very original, just like your Juggernaut comments. In other words, stop making stuff up.

u said it not me....... you are just angry cause you dont know what you are talking about. how do i know you dont know what you are talking about?? cause you make comparisons bewteen things that have nothing to do with each other, and you havnt provided any facts....

I'm sorry, let me make it up to you. I'll get you some knee pads for those long nights with Juggernaut. Here's a fact: your retarted.