see what i mean..... where are your facts?? do you even know which comics hulk and juggernaut fight in??? have you ever read any of them for a basis of comparison?? have you ever read any hulk vs. thing fights or the juggernaut vs. thing fight?? have you even read the onslaught/juggernaut "fight" or the hulk/onslaught fight?????
you have no basis for comparison at all........
you said juggs physically broke dimensional barriers and you keep asking for references and facts but give none as to this aspect instead saying that whatever you say is automatically true so there is no need to do this. I say that buy your standards if Jugs is capable of such a feat by Physical means, Hulk can break the Juggernaut.
If you go back and read all my posts, Iv'e never said my opinion on the winner. I'm simply trying to prove that you will defend Juggernaut for the sake of him being Juggernaut. It could be Juggernaut vs. Superman and you would claim Jugs would win. That alone is a different debate. Iv'e also noticed that when people question you, you get upset and attack peoples character. I'm done arguing with you about this.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
you said juggs physically broke dimensional barriers and you keep asking for references and facts but give none as to this aspect instead saying that whatever you say is automatically true so there is no need to do this. I say that buy your standards if Jugs is capable of such a feat by Physical means, Hulk can break the Juggernaut.
so what do you want issue numbers???
Originally posted by Abaddon
I'm simply trying to prove that you will defend Juggernaut for the sake of him being Juggernaut.
when the time is right, i do.....
Originally posted by Abaddon
It could be Juggernaut vs. Superman and you would claim Jugs would win. That alone is a different debate.
check out the superman/juggernaut doomsday/juggernaut threads. you would be pleasantly surprised as to who i back in DC/Marvel crossovers. its not who you think it is....... again i back juggernaut when i think somebody cannot get around his powers. hulk is one of them.
Originally posted by Abaddon
Iv'e also noticed that when people question you, you get upset and attack peoples character. I'm done arguing with you about this.
who was attacking who??? you were the one not presenting any facts what-so-ever yet were talking trash about me.....
how is that a fact when Juggernaut beats up on thing rather easily (hulk has never done that). when juggernaut *in a weakened state* beats up rhino easily (hulk has done that but not as easy). hulk has never beat up on thor the way juggernaut does....... and last but not least juggernaut physically proves himself against hulk also.
it is accepted among comic fans that "hulk is stronger". but he has never proven this.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It's easy to beat on people when they can't hurt you back. You don't need as much strength. Thing is a better fighter than Hulk. Rhino's powers have changed so much i don't care to comment on that one.
well thing landed 0 blows on juggernaut. Juggernaut knocked thing out in 3 blows. so what does it matter if thing can hurt him or not???
hulk has never been able to knock out thing so easily. nor has hulk ever been able to hanle thor like juggernaut has. nor rhino. it still doesnt change the fact that juggernaut -is- that strong. or was..... he is severily depowered at the moment.
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
well thing landed 0 blows on juggernaut. Juggernaut knocked thing out in 3 blows. so what does it matter if thing can hurt him or not???
[i]hulk has never been able to knock out thing so easily. nor has hulk ever been able to hanle thor like juggernaut has. nor rhino. it still doesnt change the fact that juggernaut -is- that strong. or was..... he is severily depowered at the moment. [/B]
Like i said Thing is a better fighter. Thor and Hulk are of relatively equal strength, and i'm still not commenting on Rhino. Hulk can be hurt, as can Thor, this gives Juggs the early edge.
i really think juggernaut should be taken out of battles, imo he's just a huge plot hole because his power level has differed so much from writer to writer, one comic he's truly unstoppable and he doesnt even have to breathe underwater, the next he's getting beaten by the xmen WITHOUT taking off his helmet or using any telepathy at all...and then people would argue that him being truely unstoppable is right, and others would argue that it isnt
Originally posted by Havoc470
i really think juggernaut should be taken out of battles, imo he's just a huge plot hole because his power level has differed so much from writer to writer, one comic he's truly unstoppable and he doesnt even have to breathe underwater, the next he's getting beaten by the xmen WITHOUT taking off his helmet or using any telepathy at all...and then people would argue that him being truely unstoppable is right, and others would argue that it isnt
Juggernaut is always taken down by telepathy by the x-men, where are you drawing YOUR conclusions from??? unless you are refering to the imposternaut.
no im referring to xmen comics where he's taken down by the blue team ALONE without any telepathy at all, and in the hunt for xavier story arc they hint that cerebro alpha is harder to take down than juggernaut with their current team of storm, rogue, gambit, and colossus
and here's were the argument i was talking about begins
Originally posted by Havoc470
no im referring to xmen comics where he's taken down by the blue team ALONE without any telepathy at all, and in the hunt for xavier story arc they hint that cerebro alpha is harder to take down than juggernaut with their current team of storm, rogue, gambit, and colossus
how exactly do they take juggernaut down???