Today i saw a most interesting comic. It was the Thor "Acts of Vengeance" story arc. I have to say details of this fight were completely ignored by you Jugfan. In this comic Thor, in a devilitated state, is endangered because of the Jug. Jug is clearly moving toward Thor. Thor then uppercuts him sending Jugs flying in the other direction. This is important because not only does Thor stop Juggernaut, he completely counters his foward motion. My point, If a dibilitated Thor can send juggernaut flying then so can Hulk. Juggernaut quickly replies to this somethin like "nice punch (insert cute pejorative here cause i can't remember exactly) but it didn't hurt." Well jugs, I wish i could beleive you, but this simply isn't true. Jugs here is clearly trying to get by on his rep of being unstoppable, which isnn't true. The only intellegent conclusion one could make is that he is also not unhurtable. Physical strength alone can overcome the Juggernaut and for this task basically no one is more able than the Hulk.
As for Jugs being as strong as Hulk, Bah. Jugs has about Namor strength at best. Yes he dented walls Hulk could not, but this is because of his "unstoppable" nature not because of his strength. This isn't the first time he's been imprisoned. Why didn't he just smash threw this like the dimensional barriers (now come on, dimensional barriers! this is cheese!) If he were truly unstoppable, by definition, no barrier could stop him. If he were truly unstoppable, he would have just walked out from under that mountain of rubble. If he were truly as strong as the Hulk, he would of smashed the X-men a long time ago (instead he's held at bay by the likes of Collosus.) If he were truly as strong as the Hulk, he wouldn't let wet cement slow him down.
Don't hate on Namor!!! He is 100 class, in and out of water, he just weakens when he is away from contact of water for a long time. He beat Thing, he beat Superskrull, he would have wiped out both the original X-men and the Evil mutants had it not been for his disgust of land dwellers (I have the comic to prove it, it's in Marvel's Masterworks volume 3, or the X-men #6) Namor's might shook an entire island. Namor can hold his own versus the Hulk. Namor defeated Hulk once under water, he fought off the Avengers as well, crushing Iron man and beating on Giantman......omg, everyone underestimates spidey, namor, and collosus!!!!! (sorry 4 venting)
Originally posted by Wynndar
Juggernautfan...I did not make those pictures, i got if off a site...apparently they had some pannels cut out...here is the part u were talking about i think...I also saw some cool parts of theComic where Hulk kicked Gladiator's ass
gladiator vs. hulk???? which comic??? i would like to know.
Originally posted by Wynndar
about 404...he still fell to his knees, dont try to put all that spin on it "hman reaction"....he got hurt
it was a human reaction and the writer addressed this very incident since so many people were wondering about juggernaut being hurt... he said that was the purpose of the backlash because he was under the impression the juggernaut was invulnerable or something of the like.
Originally posted by Abaddon
Iv'e read the issue of X-men where Jugs landed in Jersey from an Onslaught beating...my question is: Is there a comic that shows them fighting? If so what is the titile and number?
the first battle was never shown 😉
the second one was however. right before onslaught warped juggernauts perception of the mansion his phsychic mist manifested and the background changed/altered........ for the telepathic assault that put juggernaut down 😉
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Uncannyxmen.net says the gem came back to Earth and a kid named Stevie was screwing around with it. It didn't turn the kid into Juggernaut though. They were extremely vague about it but it says the gem was infused into Cain's body. Some day that's false but they have a picture of the kid and everything so it must be true!
the gem did get bumped back down, but it never said juggernaut retrieved the gem. its pure speculation that juggernaut "infused" the gem within himself.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
As for Jugs being as strong as Hulk, Bah.
bah to you too.......
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Jugs has about Namor strength at best.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Yes he dented walls Hulk could not, but this is because of his "unstoppable" nature not because of his strength.
how the hell do you figure that..... he punched the walls and they moved. his unstoppability applies to his whole body not just his fists
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
This isn't the first time he's been imprisoned. Why didn't he just smash threw this like the dimensional barriers (now come on, dimensional barriers! this is cheese!)
like i said, juggernaut doesnt walk around in a state of power that he was in when he was mashing down dimensional barriers. it was his "true potential". he does have access to this power, but chooses not to explore it beyond what he already uses.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
If he were truly unstoppable, by definition, no barrier could stop him.
there has been no barrier yet that could stop him.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
If he were truly unstoppable, he would have just walked out from under that mountain of rubble.
the mountain of rubble he was burried under was when he first gained his powers. i'm sure he knew nothing of his powers then, nor why he survived/could breathe/couldnt feel pain.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
If he were truly as strong as the Hulk, he would of smashed the X-men a long time ago (instead he's held at bay by the likes of Collosus.) If he were truly as strong as the Hulk, he wouldn't let wet cement slow him down.
he is usually taken down by telepathy on the x-men. handy weapon to have when dealing with the juggernaut. also, he isnt held at bay by colossus. its obvious you dont read much juggernaut. colossus is in no way a match for juggernaut. he lays him out pretty handily.
i think a man as strong as juggernaut has such a big argument because when you look at his past, he's mostly been incarcerated by police, stuck in another dimension, or stuck in a mountain or underground for a while, he never physically gets defeated but he does get pushed around alot
as for who would win, im going with juggernaut, although ultimately at the end bruce banner/hulk would be free and juggs would be incarcerated or thrown somewhere else yet again
i notice juggs has like a phobia for anyone taking off his helmet, since he was in a dimension that accelerated time the only thing holding back his rapid aging was anger but then beast took off his helmet to help him and juggs aged rapidly since his anger quickly changed to fear although it was just beast lol
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Physical strength alone can overcome the Juggernaut and for this task basically no one is more able than the Hulk.
I know a thing or two about Hulk and Juggernaut, and I never saw something written down by Juggernautfan that was not correct. I like Hulk more than Juggernaut, but let's face it, Juggernaut has what it takes to defeat Hulk, so theoretically, he's very capable of beating Hulk.
It's not disqualified because it's a magic sword. The point was that Juggernaut could bleed and be hurt, not that he could be hurt by a butter knife.
Juggernaut is stronger than Namor, clearly. Namor is up there, but as has been stated before, out of water he's overmatched real fast. Of course he's the most powerful underwater, it's a bit hard for anyone else to fight in the ocean. He is not stronger than Hulk, however. Nor than Thor. Indeed Thor stopped his forward motion, because it CAN be stopped. Juggernaut did not know this, however, which explains his shock and fear once he figured it out. Again, it just takes a superior force.
Juggernaut is capable of beating Hulk, sure. No question. But that doesn't mean he would every time they fight. The times they've fought were not under normal circumstances except for one, where Hulk left, believing he won. Juggernaut would have come back, but the writers wanted to go to bed so gave it a cheap ending. He has trouble with Juggernaut because of the simple fact that Juggernaut keeps coming back, Hulk is not used to that. However, in the end, Hulk is capable of beating Juggernaut down if he gets angry enough. Hulk is capable of beating anyone down if he gets angry enough.
The unfortunate thing about Juggernaut is that for most of his entire Marvel career, he's been handled by multiple writers. This is because Juggernaut is not specifically a villain for JUST the X-men as, say, Dr. Doom is for the Fantastic Four. Because of this, different writers have written Juggernaut differently for their own specific situations.
Some writers believe that Juggernaut should be portrayed the way Stan Lee created him to be portrayed. Unstoppable along with the "No force on earth can halt his progress, only slow him down."
Other writers, however, choose to write Juggernaut significantly weaker because in their story, the person of their choosing has the upper-hand to win regardless of who they're fighting. Thor halting the Juggernaut's movement entirely and knocking him back is an instance of this.
Because Juggernaut does not have one set of rules he logically does not have any set powers except for his super strength. The only real way we will ever know the answer to this question is if Stan Lee himself decided to depict this battle.
I remain solid in my decision that this battle would be a draw, that both fighters would continuously bat each other around, with neither tiring out, and with neither being incapacitated.
Its a dead-end fight without someone interfering.
Btw: Intellect has nothing to do with a slugfest. All the brains in the world aren't going to help you in a boxing match.