Juggernaut or The Hulk?

* prof hulk is not unlimited in strength dumb ass, so ur just fighting a regular 100 tonner ther, of course juggie would win
* juggies powers are running where he wants and invincibility. neither good enough for a victory, and how long would a snapped neck on the hulk take to heal a savage hulk would heal v fast. i read his healing rate increases with his anger in a marvel bio featuring hulk and some enemies like abom years ago, though t it common knowledge, oh well.
* hulk did brace 150 billion tonnes, FACT, and smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth, lifted whole castles against advancing armies, and that didnt take days to get to
* children my whole war point was to say it WASNT a credible hulk victory as has too much controversy, as juggie knocking out prof hulk is not credible, there are no encounters providing a clear winner face it ladies. ( and i mean i m man enough to take u both on so bring it juggie fan and gi jane )
*some guy at marvel says juggie is POTENTIALLY strnger due to limiltless power of cytorrak, hmmmmmm well he must be a s dense a juggie fan as u guys as hulk is limitless in srength, how can u get stronger, a physical impossibility, ill take his opinion, and take it as seriously as yours
* one site is marvel encyclopedia .com, another was some bio funnily enough from a juggernaut site .
* i dont try to rely on previou encounters as they prove no decisive victor, also comics are famously inconsistant, ie hulk mad for 2 days, theoratically would be in realms of strength we have not even seen in comics lol, but writesrs arent gonna do that cos if they stay true to hulks character hed whip juggie in 2 comic squares, so maybe he adds a kilo an hour to his bench press when he fights juggie, who knows, all im saying is this makes no sense.
* everything juggie does IS bad writing if hes overpowering something that has no limit to his power, ( by that i mean strength, and most brawls come down to this especially if ur looking at infinite strength potential) i mean wheres running in some or other direction or being invincible gonna help u kick arse against some character growing strong enough to hold up a friggin mountain, or whatever, makes no sense to anyone with a brain, but then again its you 2, so i better not be too harsh
* lastly, its all my opinion, welll er durrrrr, hello, there is no real juggie or hulk babies, good grief, all we can do is argue OPINION based on their respective powers and potential
* yes i want your address

END i win, u cant argue against these points as they are basically un arguable, u prove this whenever u start saying issue this or i heard that, when u break the core charcters down theres no reason hulk could not grow strong enough quick enough to trounce anything non celestial, unless theres a twist to it somewhereEND i keep saying them u keep sidestepping them and coming back with the fact you think this or that, well im sorry your wrong , live with it, ur great foes but ive had better.

wyndar i was interested if u could shed some more light as u seemed baffled too with the whole juggie infinite power thing, basically tron and juggie fan bore me and i was hoping for some intelligent discussion

Originally posted by talon00x
Why would it matter if wynddar or tough guy said he cheated by wearing street cloths in the fight. Their first fight hulk ripped off juggernauts helmet it would prove hulk is an idiot if he cant remember a face. Right???????? Besides what is his famous quote "Hulk no like, Hulk smash!!!!!

I keep hearing it would be a stalemate untill hulk reached juggernauts strength, Ok lets think on that for a second, If hulk has to climb drastically to reach juggernauts strength why would it be a stalemate? When juggernaut hits him hulk will be dazed and it will hurt like hell, He will probably here a buzzing, I mean come on if juggernaut hits hulk he isnt going to get up like it didnt even happen, it will take him a while. Sure hulk can take it and more but how much more.

I look at it like this pretend for a sec. Lets say someone walkes up to you and hits you as hard as he could with a base ball bat, Do you get angry or do you cry or become unconscious. Im not saying hulk would start to cry but think about it.

I never ssaid he cheated...But it was deceptive and devicive for Jugs to fight in street clothes, thus Hulk held back the whole time. Professor Hulk is certainly not as formidable as other incarnations while he is calm...additionally, he thinks too much, is cocky, and overconfident...in the end this limits him because he doesnt get very mad until AFTER he fails...just like how he dropped Jugs two issues later when he got pissed off. There is no denying it....Jugs is not ultimately invulnerable, Hulk hit him twice and he fell to his knees with a look of disbelief on his face. A pissed off Professor Hulk is very formidable...Its just like when Traume kidnapped Atlanta and PRof tried to talk it out calmly...Trauma's soldiers blasted a hundred holes in Prof...when he got up and Trauma and his people flew off Prof was bleeding everywhere and totally furious and screaming with rage. With one casual punch he shattered the entire landscape. This is an instance where Prof Hulk would have also dropped Jugs...Jugs knocking out an unenraged Hulk is no big deal, especially seeing that Mad Man knocked him out with one punch three issues later, does that mean Mad Man would beat Juggernaut?

Originally posted by Tough Guy
wyndar i was interested if u could shed some more light as u seemed baffled too with the whole juggie infinite power thing, basically tron and juggie fan bore me and i was hoping for some intelligent discussion

The Editor who called Cyttorak infinite was just stating his opinion of infinite...compared to Spiderman...or Gambit...Cyttorak appears omnipotent...but he is no more powerful than a skyfather in my opinion...and in the scope of all the cosmic types out there in the MU, that is not infinite...pre-retconned beyonder said Hulk's power was like his own, and that Hulk was infinite...that guy is infinitely powerful, not Cyttorak...The Living Tribunal called Hulk a threat to the universe...that guys is Infinite, not Cyttorak. Jugs is dead, so he's neither invincible or invulnerable.

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Originally posted by Wynndar
I never ssaid he cheated...But it was deceptive and devicive for Jugs to fight in street clothes, thus Hulk held back the whole time. Professor Hulk is certainly not as formidable as other incarnations while he is calm...additionally, he thinks too much, is cocky, and overconfident...in the end this limits him because he doesnt get very mad until AFTER he fails...just like how he dropped Jugs two issues later when he got pissed off. There is no denying it....Jugs is not ultimately invulnerable, Hulk hit him twice and he fell to his knees with a look of disbelief on his face. A pissed off Professor Hulk is very formidable...Its just like when Traume kidnapped Atlanta and PRof tried to talk it out calmly...Trauma's soldiers blasted a hundred holes in Prof...when he got up and Trauma and his people flew off Prof was bleeding everywhere and totally furious and screaming with rage. With one casual punch he shattered the entire landscape. This is an instance where Prof Hulk would have also dropped Jugs...Jugs knocking out an unenraged Hulk is no big deal, especially seeing that Mad Man knocked him out with one punch three issues later, does that mean Mad Man would beat Juggernaut?

say do you have pictures of when Hulk faced Juggy and with two punches put him down?????

Also do you know of sites that has all of their fights??? It doesnt matter which Universe, I want to know all of them 🙂

I posted them about a month ago...i'll have to find them on here

According to http://www.marvel.com/universe:

The incredible Hulk poseses:
[list][*]superhuman strength that increases as he becomes enraged

[*]the ability to leap vast distances

[*]a powerful healing factor[/list]

The unstoppable Juggernaut poseses:
[list][*]supernatural strength

[*]invulnerability

[*]a telepathy-blocking helmet[/list]
It goes on to state that Juggernaut is vulnerable only to "magical forces of sufficient strength" and is "susceptible to psionic attack" without his helmet.

Originally posted by Wynndar
The Editor who called Cyttorak infinite was just stating his opinion of infinite...compared to Spiderman...or Gambit...Cyttorak appears omnipotent...but he is no more powerful than a skyfather in my opinion...and in the scope of all the cosmic types out there in the MU, that is not infinite...pre-retconned beyonder said Hulk's power was like his own, and that Hulk was infinite...that guy is infinitely powerful, not Cyttorak...The Living Tribunal called Hulk a threat to the universe...that guys is Infinite, not Cyttorak. Jugs is dead, so he's neither invincible or invulnerable.

so should i believe your opinion, or the writers opinion??? i'm going with the writers opinion....

Originally posted by Tough Guy
END i win, u cant argue against these points as they are basically un arguable, u prove this whenever u start saying issue this or i heard that, when u break the core charcters down theres no reason hulk could not grow strong enough quick enough to trounce anything non celestial, unless theres a twist to it somewhereEND i keep saying them u keep sidestepping them and coming back with the fact you think this or that, well im sorry your wrong , live with it, ur great foes but ive had better.

you are an idiot, you still have yet to say one fact except "hulk can get stronger" to which he hasnt....... ever gotten stronger than juggernaut. except by celestial tech.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* prof hulk is not unlimited in strength dumb ass, so ur just fighting a regular 100 tonner ther, of course juggie would win

yes this is true. juggernaut did win. but he also matched the hulk in his savage form. regardless of how mad he was. that is a FACT. you are the one side stepping.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* juggies powers are running where he wants and invincibility.

still stuck on the running thing i see 😉 he doesnt need to run from hulk... you know it... i know it, and to say otherwise is just dumb.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
neither good enough for a victory, and how long would a snapped neck on the hulk take to heal a savage hulk would heal v fast.

well, it still would have given juggernaut a victory... and whos to say juggernaut couldnt do it again?? you... who am i going to believe yet again... writers or "tough guy" on some forum who never states facts only opinion??

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i read his healing rate increases with his anger in a marvel bio featuring hulk and some enemies like abom years ago, though t it common knowledge, oh well.

"i read" "i heard". isnt this what you are lecturing on... that we are doing?? you are using some random bio to say that hulk would win, yet we provide PROOF from writers and previous appearances, yet somehow you are still right?? whatever dude, you are so full of yourself.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* hulk did brace 150 billion tonnes, FACT, and smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth, lifted whole castles against advancing armies, and that didnt take days to get to

he didnt brace the mountain 😉 iron man blasted out a pocket, and hulk just simply stopped what was directly on top of them from caving in. hulk would have been crushed if not for iron man hollowing out a spot for them to fall into.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* children my whole war point was to say it WASNT a credible hulk victory as has too much controversy, as juggie knocking out prof hulk is not credible,

its not credible simply because it doesnt help your argument... your arguements get worse and worse my friend.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
there are no encounters providing a clear winner face it ladies. ( and i mean i m man enough to take u both on so bring it juggie fan and gi jane )

so we are not "man" enough to discuss it with you?? what is your piont in all this mumbo jumbo that means nothing.... it proves NOTHING.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
*some guy at marvel says juggie is POTENTIALLY strnger due to limiltless power of cytorrak, hmmmmmm well he must be a s dense a juggie fan as u guys as hulk is limitless in srength, how can u get stronger, a physical impossibility, ill take his opinion, and take it as seriously as yours

so do we believe a writer at marvel ( a hulk writer at that ) who says juggernaut is -probably- stronger. or do we take your word for it, because you read it on some random bio??? hulk isnt limitless in strength. he has alot of potential. but he has never beaten juggernaut 🙂

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* one site is marvel encyclopedia .com, another was some bio funnily enough from a juggernaut site .
* i dont try to rely on previou encounters as they prove no decisive victor,

yet the bios that you found do right??? WRONG. the only thing we have to go on is previous encounters and writer opinions. because they are after all the ones that make the stories happen.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
also comics are famously inconsistant, ie hulk mad for 2 days, theoratically would be in realms of strength we have not even seen in comics lol,

but juggernauts already there 😉 what is so hard to grasp there?? it happened. yes there are inconsistancies that happen to every character, but its obvious the case that juggernaut just starts out stageringly high on strength. and can potentially increase it just like hulk ( considering hulk writers say this ).

Originally posted by Tough Guy
but writesrs arent gonna do that cos if they stay true to hulks character hed whip juggie in 2 comic squares,

they are staying true to hulks character, they are also staying true to juggernauts. just because you dont like him, doesnt mean you have to try to say he's weak. because he is far from it...

Originally posted by Tough Guy
so maybe he adds a kilo an hour to his bench press when he fights juggie, who knows, all im saying is this makes no sense.

it doesnt matter if it makes sense to you... because it happened. hulk had sufficient time and rage... but he didnt overpower juggernaut. who cares if it doesnt make sense. again, you try to discredit it, because it doesnt help out your arguement.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* everything juggie does IS bad writing if hes overpowering something that has no limit to his power, ( by that i mean strength, and most brawls come down to this especially if ur looking at infinite strength potential)

still rely-ing on the bad writing issues i see??? cant you atleast bring 1 fact into the debate... i'm waiting.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i mean wheres running in some or other direction or being invincible gonna help u kick arse against some character growing strong enough to hold up a friggin mountain,

juggernaut never has, and never will run... and hulk didnt lift the entire mountain. whos to say juggernaut couldnt have did the same thing in hulks spot??? the writers seem to think he can ( hulks writers ) so i'm going to stick with thier opinion vs yours.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
or whatever, makes no sense to anyone with a brain, but then again its you 2, so i better not be too harsh

it seems to make sense to the HULK WRITERS at marvel. the only one that it doesnt seem to be getting through to is YOU.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* lastly, its all my opinion, welll er durrrrr, hello, there is no real juggie or hulk babies, good grief, all we can do is argue OPINION based on their respective powers and potential
* yes i want your address

well then pm me and i'll give you my address... also, i'm still sticking with hulks writers opinion that juggernaut is stronger vs your opinion that hulk has no physical equal which is obviously not the case.

Originally posted by Wynndar
I never ssaid he cheated...But it was deceptive and devicive for Jugs to fight in street clothes, thus Hulk held back the whole time. Professor Hulk is certainly not as formidable as other incarnations while he is calm...additionally, he thinks too much, is cocky, and overconfident...in the end this limits him because he doesnt get very mad until AFTER he fails...just like how he dropped Jugs two issues later when he got pissed off. There is no denying it....Jugs is not ultimately invulnerable, Hulk hit him twice and he fell to his knees with a look of disbelief on his face. A pissed off Professor Hulk is very formidable...Its just like when Traume kidnapped Atlanta and PRof tried to talk it out calmly...Trauma's soldiers blasted a hundred holes in Prof...when he got up and Trauma and his people flew off Prof was bleeding everywhere and totally furious and screaming with rage. With one casual punch he shattered the entire landscape. This is an instance where Prof Hulk would have also dropped Jugs...Jugs knocking out an unenraged Hulk is no big deal, especially seeing that Mad Man knocked him out with one punch three issues later, does that mean Mad Man would beat Juggernaut?

he was far from knocking juggernaut out 😉 he simply "cosmetically" knocked him down. this is again all from hulks own writer. if hulks own writer can accept that hulk is invincible, and he is -probably- stronger, why cant you?? the whole scene was about 2 seconds long, juggernaut simply didnt get back up because of a backlash... not because hulks blows.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* prof hulk is not unlimited in strength dumb ass, so ur just fighting a regular 100 tonner ther, of course juggie would win

Now we've gone down to name calling, yeah, that help you to be taken serious a lot more now. Anyways, Professor Hulk has the same physical abilities Savage Hulk has, I haven't seen anything that says any different. But, like Wynndar said, Professor doesn't get as angry as Savage does, basically because he thinks too much, and is cocky. He's just as capable as Savage Hulk, the only thing that limits him is his the way he thinks.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* juggies powers are running where he wants and invincibility. neither good enough for a victory, and how long would a snapped neck on the hulk take to heal a savage hulk would heal v fast. i read his healing rate increases with his anger in a marvel bio featuring hulk and some enemies like abom years ago, though t it common knowledge, oh well.

No one's denying Hulk's ability to heal. And, apparantly Juggernaut's powers are more than enough to be a match for Hulk, but you wanna ignore that, but oh well...

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* hulk did brace 150 billion tonnes, FACT, and smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth, lifted whole castles against advancing armies, and that didnt take days to get to

Twice the size of Earth? Issue # please?

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* children my whole war point was to say it WASNT a credible hulk victory as has too much controversy, as juggie knocking out prof hulk is not credible, there are no encounters providing a clear winner face it ladies. ( and i mean i m man enough to take u both on so bring it juggie fan and gi jane )

I know Professor isn't as powerful as Savage Hulk, but why wouldn't it be credible? And besides that, there's been no clear winner, but clearly Juggernaut was shown to be getting the best of Hulk in their first fight. It happened, deal with it. (And more name calling, that makes your comments even more credible. G.I. Jane, that's original😂)

Originally posted by Tough Guy
*some guy at marvel says juggie is POTENTIALLY strnger due to limiltless power of cytorrak, hmmmmmm well he must be a s dense a juggie fan as u guys as hulk is limitless in srength, how can u get stronger, a physical impossibility, ill take his opinion, and take it as seriously as yours

Well, from what they said, it was the word at Marvel HQ, so apparantly it was more than one guy who believed that. If you have a serious problem with it though, take it up with Marvel HQ themselves. As for the rest of that, I didn't understand what you were saying (except for more insults, you're getting more and more credible by the moment.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* one site is marvel encyclopedia .com, another was some bio funnily enough from a juggernaut site .

You're referring to the Marvel Directory (not the official Marvel site), which I go to often for basic info. What's your point?

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* i dont try to rely on previou encounters as they prove no decisive victor, also comics are famously inconsistant, ie hulk mad for 2 days, theoratically would be in realms of strength we have not even seen in comics lol, but writesrs arent gonna do that cos if they stay true to hulks character hed whip juggie in 2 comic squares, so maybe he adds a kilo an hour to his bench press when he fights juggie, who knows, all im saying is this makes no sense.

Then most of what you're saying really has little credibility if you're gonna ignore what's been done within continuity, although I admit some horrible things have been done within continuity (Spider-Man vs. Firelord🤨). And who are you to say they weren't true to Hulk's power? It looked pretty true to me, and they also stayed true to Juggernaut's power (since his strenght limit is unknown, meaning no one knows just how strong he really is.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* everything juggie does IS bad writing if hes overpowering something that has no limit to his power, ( by that i mean strength, and most brawls come down to this especially if ur looking at infinite strength potential) i mean wheres running in some or other direction or being invincible gonna help u kick arse against some character growing strong enough to hold up a friggin mountain, or whatever, makes no sense to anyone with a brain, but then again its you 2, so i better not be too harsh

Again, your opinion. Nice, more insults, very very credible now😉

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* lastly, its all my opinion, welll er durrrrr, hello, there is no real juggie or hulk babies, good grief, all we can do is argue OPINION based on their respective powers and potential

Well, you seem to be taking it more serious than the rest of us for some comic characters to fight so hard and try to insult some of us. Not the way to get your point across. A don't agree with some Wynndar's statements either, but regardless, I respect his opinion and don't go so far as to insult his because I disagree. The fact that we agree to disagree on some things is enough.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* yes i want your address

I already told you my location😉

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Originally posted by JuggernautFan
he was far from knocking juggernaut out 😉 he simply "cosmetically" knocked him down. this is again all from hulks own writer. if hulks own writer can accept that hulk is invincible, and he is -probably- stronger, why cant you?? the whole scene was about 2 seconds long, juggernaut simply didnt get back up because of a backlash... not because hulks blows.

I think there's a flaw in your comment. See if you can find it.😉

Originally posted by Tron
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i end think end he end gets end a end little end carried end away end with end his end *end* end in end his end posts end.

get end my end point end??

here's the pic for xdanny x...like i said before, it looks like Jugs is pretty vulnerable in this one.

the difference between that fight and the fight before are that Hulk was mad in this one.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
so should i believe your opinion, or the writers opinion??? i'm going with the writers opinion....

please...I know ur an intelligent guy...and u have read a decent amount of comics...both of us know without the help of any temporary and uninfluential editor that Cyttorak is not infinite... 😆