Originally posted by JuggernautFan
you are an idiot, you still have yet to say one fact except "hulk can get stronger" to which he hasnt....... ever gotten stronger than juggernaut. except by celestial tech.
Never been stronger than Jugs?...what r u talking about? Hulk is the strongest on Earth and has obviously demonstrated it over and over again. Hulk is the strongest...Thor lifted Jormungad which is pretty impressive...Herc lifted the Island of Manhattan...has Jugs demonstrated strength like this? no, he is pretty unstoppable, pretty invulnerable, but not as strong as these guys. And by strength, im talking about who has lifted the most. Hulk has gotten stronger than Jugs dozens of times outside of his fights with Jugs. And he looks stronger than Jugs in that pic where he is on his knees.
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
he was far from knocking juggernaut out 😉 he simply "cosmetically" knocked him down. this is again all from hulks own writer. if hulks own writer can accept that hulk is invincible, and he is -probably- stronger, why cant you?? the whole scene was about 2 seconds long, juggernaut simply didnt get back up because of a backlash... not because hulks blows.
Oh did I say Hulk knocked him out? no i didnt, I said he dropped him, that Jugs fell to his knees...because he did. Im sure he would have gotten up if it werent for the Backlash. But so would the Thing, or Thor, or Herc...I was simply illustrating how Juggernaut's percieved invulnerability is only marginal...btw, I think you ignored the rest of my post.
Originally posted by Wynndar
please...I know ur an intelligent guy...and u have read a decent amount of comics...both of us know without the help of any temporary and uninfluential editor that Cyttorak is not infinite... 😆
so you can accept that hulks power is unlimited... but a being who gave juggernaut his power (a fraction of his power at that) is not unlimited??? how can you possibly say this when juggernaut is -atleast- on par with hulk in total power and in strength. so hulk is more powerful than cyttorak now?? you are so off its not even funny
come on now, how stupid does that sound???
Originally posted by Wynndar
Never been stronger than Jugs?...what r u talking about?
exactly what i said... your a smart guy, figure it out.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Hulk is the strongest on Earth and has obviously demonstrated it over and over again.
how so??? just because hes been put in a situation that juggernaut hasnt?? so if i bench press 300 lbs and you have never tried it, does that automatically mean i'm stronger than you??? think about it.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Hulk is the strongest...Thor lifted Jormungad which is pretty impressive...Herc lifted the Island of Manhattan...
actually i think hercs was retconned. so it never happened. but again, a position juggernaut has never been in.
Originally posted by Wynndar
has Jugs demonstrated strength like this? no, he is pretty unstoppable, pretty invulnerable, but not as strong as these guys.
well, that would be a matter of opinion. he hasnt demonstrated strength "like that" because he's never been in that situation. but he has demonstrated great strength.
Originally posted by Wynndar
And by strength, im talking about who has lifted the most.
see here is where we are thinking different. you are thinking "hulk has done this, juggernaut hasnt" when its obvious hulk has been in a billion different issues, where juggernaut only has a handfull of appearances. i'm comparing strength in punching power, and thier battles vs each other because its the ONLY fair way to do it.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Hulk has gotten stronger than Jugs dozens of times outside of his fights with Jugs. And he looks stronger than Jugs in that pic where he is on his knees.
well, i disagree, and always will until hulk *on his own power* sufficient haults/overpowers/beats down juggernaut. he just simply -hasnt-. simpe as that 🙂
and the pic of him on his knees, whos to say juggernaut wouldnt have gotten back up?? again, the writers said the backlash was added because no physical damage was done. hulk couldnt have kept juggernaut down, and wouldnt have kept juggernaut down. so let me ask you again... who should i believe... you or "just some writer"??? i'm going with the writer every time.
juggie fan all u do is look at the facts and say well ur wrong and expect myself wynndar to say oh ok, some editer says juggie is stronger, ( ITS IMPOSSIBLE DUMB DUMB). if u read my post correctly, and im sure u can, running towards away from, sideways er is not hthat impressive, stoppable or not, kind of like an improved rhino, hulk could just jump over him.. thank u wyndarr for elaberating in a little more detail what im trying to say, these guys clearly need pictures to help them. so yes it is it, hulk is stronger by definition of physical strength, juggie is invulnerable ( proves what a ailly character he is, answer me this why does he ghave a force field if he is indestructable without it lol) no juggie has not claimed a decisive victory as i keep saying, tron juggie fan live with it. juggie is very formidable but from what i see thats it and u have not givn any conclusive reasons as to why hulk would lose. wynndar ill be back on on friday or sat day, times are a bit jumbled as your states im uk but im very interested in ur opinion on 3 things.
*the whole war, celestial energy, 2 universes, strength thing
*why hulk seems to sometimes ( in comics ) have quick increases in strength, others slow
*more obviously with regards to hulk juggie, also if u could private message or e mail [email protected] some hulk thor banter
oh tron juggie fan stop going round in circles, just learn your arguments are not pursauasive enough END
how so??? just because hes been put in a situation that juggernaut hasnt?? so if i bench press 300 lbs and you have never tried it, does that automatically mean i'm stronger than you??? think about it.
Look, Hulk has limitless strength, Juggs does not.
well, that would be a matter of opinion. he hasnt demonstrated strength "like that" because he's never been in that situation.
Or maybe he was never put in that kind of situation because he doesnt have that kind of strength.
he starts out pretty strong...his problem is his personality makes it hard for him to get dangerously Mad/Strong until after he messes up...that why people often beat him the first time around Mad Man, Juggernaut, Trauma, Maestro, Hoarfang, etc...but then got really messed up or killed, when they f#cked with the pissed off Professor...personally, I really enjoyed that period when Peter David was writing Hulk.
Originally posted by Wynndar
he starts out pretty strong...his problem is his personality makes it hard for him to get dangerously Mad/Strong until after he messes up...that why people often beat him the first time around Mad Man, Juggernaut, Trauma, Maestro, Hoarfang, etc...but then got really messed up or killed, when they f#cked with the pissed off Professor...personally, I really enjoyed that period when Peter David was writing Hulk.
do you what issues when Juggernaut fought the Professor Hulk the second time and other times that he got beat by the Hulk!??
Never posted a link before of someone's Photobucket Account that had a bunch of comic images. That is how I saw Thor VS Superman......well the Avengers vs JLA crossover.
Professor Hulk's experiences with Juggernaut only take place over the three issues we've been discussing: when Juggernaut beat the Hulk in the rain forest...then the next issue was Red Skull brain washing the Hulk, and Hulk and Jugs confronting the Avengers...then the next issue Hulk and Jugs fought the Avengers until Hulk broke free of the mind control then dropped Juggernaut to his knees with those two punches...other than that, Prof Hulk and Jugs havent fought...unless u want to count War Hulk, but I cant really say if it was professor Hulk or not.
I see, this thread is like numerous pages long!
Did you guys argue the strongest version of each fighter?
8th Day Juggernaut is the strongest version of Juggernaut right? And I believe Savage Hulk is the strongest version of Hulk,
did you include this fight? 8th Day Juggernaut vs Savage Hulk??
Also there was a stronger version of Juggernaut, it was when Juggernaut was with the X-Men and Cyttorak(spelling) made a new Juggernaut out of some kid that Juggernaut new killed some Animals.
It was on the day of his Trial!
No we just talk about the regular Juggernaut usually...8th Day Jugs is way more powerful than classic Jug...he's not really in control of his actions either. Savage Hulk isnt the most powerful version of Hulk, he's the most common...Guilt Hulk, Dark Hulk, or Devil Hulk would probably be the most dangerous forms of Hulk.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
juggie fan all u do is look at the facts and say well ur wrong and expect myself wynndar to say oh ok, some editer says juggie is stronger, ( ITS IMPOSSIBLE DUMB DUMB).
No one expects y'all to agree with us, if you do or not is up to you. And it's not imposibble for any character to be stronger than Hulk, seeing how he doesn't start off stronger than every single character (Thanos, Champion, Destroyer, Tyrant, etc.). The potential for infinite strength, not infinite strength itself. I'm not gonna try to make you see that, you're emtitled to your opinion.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
if u read my post correctly, and im sure u can, running towards away from, sideways er is not hthat impressive, stoppable or not, kind of like an improved rhino, hulk could just jump over him.. thank u wyndarr for elaberating in a little more detail what im trying to say, these guys clearly need pictures to help them.
Hmmm, now do we always see Juggernaut simply "running" towards Hulk in any of their fights? Nope, he goes toe-to-toe with him, and holds his own very damn well, so why you say this I don't know. And one pic, I figured you'd latch on to that single one. I know Wynndar also has the one where Juggernaut's kicking a tired out Savage Hulk to the ground to, cause now I got it, and I'll be happy to show it to ya' when I figure out how it post pics on here.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
so yes it is it, hulk is stronger by definition of physical strength, juggie is invulnerable ( proves what a ailly character he is, answer me this why does he ghave a force field if he is indestructable without it lol)
Again, your opinion, and we'll just agree to disagree on it. Although, Juggernaut's been shown to be strong enough to hang with Hulk, but like I said, your opinion. And the forcefield, I honestly don't know, but I can tell you it doesn't matter regardless, since he's proven that he doesn't need it time after time.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
no juggie has not claimed a decisive victory as i keep saying, tron juggie fan live with it. juggie is very formidable but from what i see thats it and u have not givn any conclusive reasons as to why hulk would lose. )
Not against Savage Hulk, that's true, but Juggernaut was getting the best of him, whether you wanna deny it or not. And that first fight was inconclussive, but there's a chance that Juggernaut could've won if not interrupted, or the fight could've continued for much longer, but that's debateable though.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
oh tron juggie fan stop going round in circles, just learn your arguments are not pursauasive enough END
You've been given pretty good arguements, whether they're persuasive enough or not is simply your opinion. And, we're only going in circles because you are, yet you're the only one that keeps repeating himself.😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
er as hulk needs to get mad to uncrease in strength the fact prof hulk is limited in this way is gonna hinder him a hell of alot more than a savagebor mindless hulk, er thank u
Of course it hinders him, I already said that, but that doesn't change the fact that he has the same "potential" that Savage Hulk has.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
hulk is nigh invincable, heals quicker the nmadder he gets, has survived ground zero atom bomb for goodness sakes.
AND JUGGIE HAS NO CONCLUSIVE VICTORY OVER A SAVAGE HULK
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More like nigh-invulnerable, invinsible is going into a totally different realm, in my opinion. He's survived a nuke, that's true (although it was said years ago that he and Abomination couldn't survive one at ground zero a few years ago, but it happened though), and Juggernaut has taken a full godblast at nearly point blank, so what's your point? And, no he doesn't have a conclussive win over Savage Hulk (now we're both repeating ourselves again), he's shown that he more than what it takes to throw down with him, if not beat him. And Tough Guy, stop talking like everything you say in the end is law. This is a debate, and everyone's entitled to their opinion, even you, and everyone's welcome to prove their case (which you still haven't, and I'm still waiting on you to do. And if you can't, them someone please help him, cause apparantly he can't do it on his own without repeating himself).
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Oh, and since we're completely writing off Juggernaut's win over Professor Hulk now, are we leaving him out of this thread altogether?
Originally posted by Wynndar
No we just talk about the regular Juggernaut usually...8th Day Jugs is way more powerful than classic Jug...he's not really in control of his actions either. Savage Hulk isnt the most powerful version of Hulk, he's the most common...Guilt Hulk, Dark Hulk, or Devil Hulk would probably be the most dangerous forms of Hulk.
are all these hulks even incarnated??? if so... then they might be the most powerful. but isnt savage the most powerful incarnation so far??
also, 8th day juggernaut wasnt (atleast didnt seem) any more powerful than himself. he also still had control over it... he was still "cain marko" in control of the power. not completely under control as he was earlier in the 8th day story arch.