Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Wynndar
he starts out pretty strong...his problem is his personality makes it hard for him to get dangerously Mad/Strong until after he messes up...that why people often beat him the first time around Mad Man, Juggernaut, Trauma, Maestro, Hoarfang, etc...but then got really messed up or killed, when they f#cked with the pissed off Professor...personally, I really enjoyed that period when Peter David was writing Hulk.

it was also peter david that said juggernaut was probably stronger too 😉

p.s. this thing grows like 8 pages a day i cant keep up... on to other threads i suppose. its all in there somewhere. my thoughts... your thoughts... everybodies thoughts... interesting almost 80 page read if you got the time or the desire.

Well that makes sense considering he wrote for Prof Hulk, who was probably who he was refering to. He wrote Mad Man knocking Hulk out with one punch...nothing would surprise me...do u think Mad Man is stronger than Jugs in that case?

no... but i do think juggernaut is stronger than hulk... juggernaut > hulk. just my opinion.

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good debating with u guys...im going to pick back up tomorrow...remember:

hey who is that chick with the green lipstick in that pic?...so hot.

the most powerful hulk seen has been war, guilt, dark, devil, etc are manifestations in the mind of banner, the trouble with war is we have no ideas really of his power/ potential as he only faught juggie with it, and absorb man, then er threw away his armour and went bak to normal. 8th day juggie would start out much more powerful , but to make things fair u would need to use a war hulk using hulks potential rather than a savage etc i think.
* yes thank the lord tron, it is my opinion and your right im entitled to it as u r, im just saying your arguments have not made me see the light, also im arguing more from a basis of just looking at their powers u r looking at previous fights and trying to use those as ur points, ive read them and dont see that a savage hulk, ( my fave and the most popular form ) would be taken out by classic, not current juggie, sorry but there,. i know juggie is more than strong enough to hang with hulk, the difference of opinion seems to be after hulk is gonna get very mad, strong, who will then be a considerable victor, i say considerable as i m quite prepared to believe the chances are juggie would not be lets say majorly hurt as has invulnerability, ( i can hope though as war showed that there are ways to break this invulnerability, meaning he is technically not invulnerable but u guys are not gonna like that.)
finally tron yes i agree their potential may be the same ( savage, prof, but really savage is the 1 who will be growing in strength quicker and more effectivly as its in his nature more than prof), oh and ive said countless times i know other heros will start off stronger than hulk, ive said it over and over, i just know hulk grows a lot quicker in strength than i think u realise, after all he need only get angry to do this

peter david may well be talking about base level strength, after all hulk has infinite potential so in the long run can by simple maths get stronger than anyone

i say this as prof hulk seems to be slower to increase strength and more likely due to his defeats to look weaker

Originally posted by Tough Guy
peter david may well be talking about base level strength, after all hulk has infinite potential so in the long run can by simple maths get stronger than anyone

you still arent making sense... by your logic, juggernaut is just as infinitely capable as hulk. considering he has limitless amounts of energies to call upon. since his energies manifest -mostly- as strength, then why doesnt he have just as much potential as hulk???

well, he does. this is my opinion, dont bother replying

as for your longer post i'll get to it later, i gotta go.

I used to put up a huge fight on behalf of Hulk but now it's to the point where people need to start using common sense.

Juggernaut is a character designed to be able to handle the likes of the Hulk. He doesn't feel physical pain, he's always got enough strength to do whatever he needs....just like the Hulk. And he's got that impentrable barrier....

Hulk could be infinitly stronger, he could be smashing the living hell out of Juggernaut for a week straight.....based on how the character is written....Hulk isn't meant to be able to beat him.

It's not that Juggernaut is unbeatable...he's just designed to be able to go toe-to-toe with the likes of the Hulk and win. Characters like Psylocke have a better chance of taking down Juggs than characters like the Hulk.

fair point linkalicious but remember hulk too becomes far more impervious the angrier he gets, as his healing quickens with rage. juggie is good enough to go toe to toe till hulk is majorly pissed then sorry not in the same league, juggie is unknown limit to strength, hulk is limitless, work out the differences juggie fan, his power provides an unstoppable momentum, and invulnerability in any thing ive read on him, not enough to do anything other than pis off hulk more and more. yes juggie would be stronger than prof hulk , also as ive said prof would be severely disabled in growing stronger just due to his personality, im surprised he did knock down juggie to be honest with u, i only read that issue a few mths ago ( my collection got stored with a mate who moved lol). ANYWAY lets say juggie was unlimited in strength potential, firstly why would hulk not be able to acces his faster for example, and it would mean theyd be the same not hulk being weaker. it does not matter, they would have to be making juggie different than he is to start giving him unlimited strength, why not give him a cape and laser eyes and also if he needs to be more like hulk lets give him some purple pants too, maybe make him green lol. i say this as his strength limit has always been stated as unknown, hence make him immensly powerful, yet stopping b4 limitless, hulk has been described as limitless many times b4, its his flaming claim to fame, ur strong im gonna get stronger, live with it, its not juggies power

also juggie is not quite such an established detailed character, hence the need for a forcefiles yet is supposadly indestructable, if indeed marvel are gonna make him lets say infinite in strength, or someone did make tha decision then bollocks to them , why give him hulks main power??? hulk was first. if that is the case and i strongly believe it isnt maybe thats why hes been made less powerful as some writer with a brain noticed that all they did was make another hulk yet 1 that can run in any direction without being halted by physical means, is indestructable yet needs a force field ( how inconsistant) . that my dear boy would be pointless. anyway this is all speculation dont bother telling me u think this didnt happen it was just a thought lol

Good point...
Hulk will be so strong if he push it to than even jugg will be beat.
Hulk can't lose a strength combat its all...

Ok, now if Juggernaut is impervious to physical pain.

What good does your arguement about limitless strength do?

Juggernaut's strength is not only unknown, it has thus far been proved to be limitless.

Not because a comic writer said so, not because Stan Lee said so, but because no one can name ONE instance where Juggernaut has been too weak to do something.

the angrier Hulk gets, the faster he heals...this is true, but the more Hulk fatigues...the slower he heals. Juggernaut could fight Hulk for months on end. Hulk can't do that with Juggernaut...he'd fatigue, then return back to Banner form. Limitless strength does not mean limitless energy.

What Juggernaut does to Hulk affects Hulk in the long run, the same can't be said for Juggernaut.

as long as hulk is angry he does not fatigue...he has even fought in realms outside of our timestream for extremely extended amounts of time...one of his draw back when he does this: he grows closer and closer to losing control and his humanity.

if Hulk is taking a beating...he gets fatigued.

Doesn't matter if he's mad or not, he gets fatigued. Of course, in almost all cases, his rage surpasses that fatigue, but in a battle against Juggernaut....Hulk would eventually tire to the point where he either reverts to Banner form or just loses interest and jumps away into the sunset.

A heightened concentration of adrenaline precipitates the mutation of Bruce Banner into the Incredible Hulk, granting him increased mass and strength. As this concentration increases, so does the efficiency of his metabolism, thereby making him exponentially stronger.

This means that the strength of the Hulk peaks once his metabolism reaches 100% efficiency.

However, pushing any organ, in this case the adrenals, to 100% efficiency causes organ failure.

This means that it is possible to defeat the Hulk if one can enrage him to that point, and if anyone has the ability to hold out that long, it is the Juggernaut.

hulk has a healing factor there guy.

well this isnt biology its comic books. hulk would also not tire, he spent months swimming the pacific . Y would hulk take a beating? where has this juggie has unlimited strength aswell come from????? ,he hasnt shown he cant lift something yet , but u can tun round that argument by saying what hulk HAS done holds hm out top till he is proved inferior. END. Now no one here disputes juggies unknown strength is likely to be higher than hulks, but juggie uses magic, not physical strength anyway and according to what ive rwad on juggie that magic is to make him unstoppable once he starts moving, and indestructable, neither are hulk winning powers, u make mistakes when u start to look on hulk as anything other than a limitless physical power house that can get as angry or strong as well the situation calls for really, and that is a fact. as for exploding adrenal glands thats a little desperate as if were gonna quote scientifically u wouldnt have a magic gemstone END

i think people here need to listen to logic and if u need issue numbers ask wynndar, hulk is far more developed and deatailed a character, also one that was made with a power that when u think about it lets him sreally whip anyone in a fist fight, the fact he doesnt at times is ( as savage ) in my opinion is a lot due to inconsistant writing, hell all u need to do to beat the guy is trick him for heaven sake