ive also just been told by a very good friend who has a very deep interest in x men comics that jugiie is not limitless in power , if true that collapses his cant be hurt invincable angle, also his cant be stopped. i dont know how this would effect his physical strength. something about cytorak having unknown levels or something, and this has now been confused into limitless, and yes juggie fan i remember your hulk cut out saying limitless but my mate is pretty adament, perhaps wynndar\ u can elaborste for me. ( ps dont shoot me down if im wrong here on this one, i hate using other peoples arguments)
My personal belief is that his powers of invincibilty are only marginally greater than other people who appear to be invincible...That is why he fell to his knees when punched in the stomachby a pissed off Hulk. He has stated that he was hurt...even by weak little nightcrawler when he threw a burning torch into his eyes. Others however totally ignore these facts and say that it would defy physics for Jugs to be stopped, hurt, or out-classed in strength...I totally disagree with them though.
wow, this thread has grown 3 extra pages since I was gone.
Isnt Juggernaut good now??
8th day Juggernaut was a monsterous beast, he was like super huge wasnt he? He looked crazy and uncontrollable.
Isnt War Hulk just a version Hulk that just got an increase of strength because Apocalypse increased his anger??? What version of Hulk was he before he turned to War Hulk?
Originally posted by Tough Guy
ive also just been told by a very good friend
this alone is laughable... ha ha ha... this is what they call "hear-say" information. i'll just delete everything else
so the writer says juggernaut is limitless in power himself... but since your FRIEND says it, the writer has to be wrong 😆
Originally posted by Wynndar
My personal belief is that his powers of invincibilty are only marginally greater than other people who appear to be invincible...That is why he fell to his knees when punched in the stomachby a pissed off Hulk.
but a previous more powerful pissed off hulk couldnt do anything to him.... it didnt cause any physical damage. you know it.. i know it... but every ones entitled to thier opinion and i cant change that.
Originally posted by Wynndar
He has stated that he was hurt...even by weak little nightcrawler when he threw a burning torch into his eyes.
talk about bad writing eh????
Originally posted by Wynndar
Others however totally ignore these facts and say that it would defy physics for Jugs to be stopped, hurt, or out-classed in strength...I totally disagree with them though.
you can disagree, we ask no more that you atleast hear our side as juggernaut fans. but again its in there. all the information that is.
Originally posted by x_danny_x]
wow, this thread has grown 3 extra pages since I was gone.Isnt Juggernaut good now??
8th day Juggernaut was a monsterous beast, he was like super huge wasnt he? He looked crazy and uncontrollable.
Isnt War Hulk just a version Hulk that just got an increase of strength because Apocalypse increased his anger??? What version of Hulk was he before he turned to War Hulk?
-Juggernaut is not only good...but he is dead now
-Yea 8th Day wasnt even in control of his actions
-War was arguably a increased version of Professor Hulk.
He'll be back, that's been Marvel's plan all along. Only thing is Chuck "The Suck" ****ed it all up with that his last story and the whole black hole thing, so it may be a while before a fully powered Juggernaut is seen again.
And true Tough Guy, his roots do lie in X-Men. But, many villains start off as villains to some characters, and end up as rivals or bigger threats to other characters (i.e. Absorbing Man starting off as a Thor villain, and ends up being one of Hulk's biggest foes).
Originally posted by Wynndar
]-Juggernaut is not only good...but he is dead now
-Yea 8th Day wasnt even in control of his actions
-War was arguably a increased version of Professor Hulk.
juggernaut was in control of his actions... he was just trying "to be somewhere" because he heard the call...
juggernaut will be back.
how did he died???
And I think they are just going to bring a new Juggernaut, not Cain. Unless they are going to bring him back like DC returned Superman. However Superman is a like GOD along with Batman in the DC Universe.
I dont know if Juggernaut will be back cause he is not in the same popularity level as Superman, Batman or who ever is number #1 guy in Marvel.
How the hell is that an excuse........ end is it me or is there some major juggernaut bashers in here? end 🤨 yeah hulk will get mad end 😠 then he will get green or purple or blue or gray end 😈 then juggernaut will look at a man wich he has beaten down before and laugh end 😆
after the match is over and juggernaut is in a bar drinking end 🍺 and maybe a smoke after end 😮💨 poor hulk will be at the doctor when he wakes up that is end 🧑⚕️
if you havent noticed i like to piss you guys off ✅
mainly because you put me to sleep 😖leep: hell sometimes you make me sick 😘
so please i am allergic to bullcrap
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I have my money on Marko, The hulk has a lot going going gone for him, but Juggs is " unstoppable " he is strong & mysticly backed no air no problem no sleep no problem The question becomes after seing/ owning the comics where banner got his clock cleaned by the dirty rat that is Cain, how tired are they gonna be if & when marko wins.
if being if he don't get bored & give up first.
Originally posted by image3320
I have my money on Marko, The hulk has a lot going going gone for him, but Juggs is " unstoppable " he is strong & mysticly backed no air no problem no sleep no problem The question becomes after seing/ owning the comics where banner got his clock cleaned by the dirty rat that is Cain, how tired are they gonna be if & when marko wins.
if being if he don't get bored & give up first.
a fight doesnt necessary has to be "to the last man standing".
If a fighter keeps bashing and making another fighter his "b!tch" even though he cant kill him and just gives up and throws him away to some far distance place.
that is how i see how the Hulk and Juggernaut fight is going to be and I have to declare the Hulk the winner.
Unless if you put War Hulk in the picture, Then he would of killed Juggernaut hands down.
i was looking for an answer juggie fan, NOt stating a point, just interested me when i was talking to him ( my friend), and he seemed to think it laughable that hulk (in theory) would not be able to increase n strength beyond juggie, stop looking for a ruck.we can all see im right and ur desperately trying to hold on to some notion of juggie being superior to the hulk. hulk is stronger when he gets angry and juggie has no powers to beat him with, juggie goes flying, or gets buried END
wynndar can u give a point by point account of how u think this fight will go and why?? might be hard but i would appreciate it.
Also didnt onslaught rip the gem from juggies chest after he kicked his arse??? and didnt hulk smash onslaughts nigh indestructable armour?? and how right am i wen i say hulk would kick juggies arse?? ( i know thats gonna get cut and pasted by juggiefan ha ha, with the answer, no he wouldnt cos in the comics juggie knocked out profeesor hulk, well guess what, i could knock out prof hulk, maybe im tougher than juggie)
Originally posted by Tough Guy
i was looking for an answer juggie fan, NOt stating a point, just interested me when i was talking to him ( my friend), and he seemed to think it laughable that hulk (in theory) would not be able to increase n strength beyond juggie, stop looking for a ruck.
It's okay to ask a friend what they think, but, it's just that, what they think. I've said myself that Hulk "could" become stronger than Juggernaut, but seeing as how Juggernaut's stronger is unknown (in other words, no one knows just how strong he really is), that may be a feat in itself.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
we can all see im right and ur desperately trying to hold on to some notion of juggie being superior to the hulk. hulk is stronger when he gets angry and juggie has no powers to beat him with, juggie goes flying, or gets buried END
"We" don't see anything, you still have yet to really prove your case. He has just what he needs to beat Hulk, which has been shown already (and no I'm not referring to him beating Professor Hulk, since we're simply ignoring that moment now). And with both their respective power, either can go flying or get buried.
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Originally posted by Tough Guy
Also didnt onslaught rip the gem from juggies chest after he kicked his arse???
You mean the gem that was never there to begin with? Sure he did, after Onslaught said he could not hurt Juggernaut as long as he was connected to his power.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
and didnt hulk smash onslaughts nigh indestructable armour??
Yes he did, no denying that.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
and how right am i wen i say hulk would kick juggies arse?? ( i know thats gonna get cut and pasted by juggiefan ha ha, with the answer, no he wouldnt cos in the comics juggie knocked out profeesor hulk, well guess what, i could knock out prof hulk, maybe im tougher than juggie)
Sounds like you're asking for an opinion, which Wynndar's given more than once already. You knock out Professor? Well, lets get you drawn into a Hulk comic and find out.😉
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do the Pro-Juggernauts want to address the fact that Madman knocked prof Hulk out in one punch just three issues after Cain did? Or how was it that Cain fell to his knees from two of prof Hulk's punches (before the psychic backlash)? This demonstrated the unstoppable and invulnerable properties of Juggernaut are only marginal, and in the presence of an angry Hulk, non-existent.
Will we bring up the psychic backlash again? does this mean that once Hulk knocks off Jug's helmet, he will inevitably be KOed by the psychic presence of a pissed Hulk?
Well, I never mention the whole "unstoppable" thing on here, since there's too much arguement on it. And the two punches that dropped him, just like some of the other things here, is just another one of those "agree to disagree" moments, since ideas have been stated on them already. And, I thought the whole psychic backlash thing was already dealt with, and unless Hulk just happens to be psychically controlled again, his "psychic presence" ain't knocking out anyone.😉