Juggernaut or The Hulk?

sorry when (other than as a lumberjack) else has juggie beaten hulk tron, to prove he has what he needs to beat hulk, i think u r very very mistaken. i only turn the thing around as to say well hulk has unlimited ( not unknown ) strength so that really kicks ass in a brawel, what has juggie got thats gonna BEAT a savage hulk growing rapidly in strength and healing anything almost instantanously ( thats why i argue hulk is almost as invulnerableas juggie). what prey tell, no issue numbers will save u, i grant that juggie would murder grey hulk, would in my opinion be a victor over prof hulk, but a savage or mindless hulk........that is where im coming from.
* my whole point abpout the onslaught / juggie saga was to show how inconsistant/ignorant comic writers/editors actually are, something u seem to se from my original post, therefore thats why i find some editor mumbling on about juggie being stronger than hulk, ( a savage hulk would not have any limit to his potential so would reach whatever he needed v quickly ad infinitum for his task, how u top that is byond the realms of reason) easy to discard.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
sorry when (other than as a lumberjack) else has juggie beaten hulk tron, to prove he has what he needs to beat hulk, i think u r very very mistaken. i only turn the thing around as to say well hulk has unlimited ( not unknown ) strength so that really kicks ass in a brawel, what has juggie got thats gonna BEAT a savage hulk growing rapidly in strength and healing anything almost instantanously ( thats why i argue hulk is almost as invulnerableas juggie). what prey tell, no issue numbers will save u, i grant that juggie would murder grey hulk, would in my opinion be a victor over prof hulk, but a savage or mindless hulk........that is where im coming from.

well i've been talking about savage hulk for some time now... and juggernaut still proved that he is strong enough to put hulk down (on his own power) while hulk has not. so what "prey tell" do you think hulk is going to do to win?? break his knuckles trying to hurt juggernaut... thats what i think cause juggernaut has unlimited (not unknown) so that really kicks ass in a "brawel". like i said in the other thread, i'm going to make it a point to skip over your posts. you keep saying "bios say unlimited, bios say unlimited"... blah blah blah more moot points when we all have decided that bios dont really bring relyable information to the table. blah blah blah.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* my whole point abpout the onslaught / juggie saga was to show how inconsistant/ignorant comic writers/editors actually are, something u seem to se from my original post, therefore thats why i find some editor mumbling on about juggie being stronger than hulk, ( a savage hulk would not have any limit to his potential so would reach whatever he needed v quickly ad infinitum for his task, how u top that is byond the realms of reason) easy to discard.

onslaughts gay... anybody trying to use that as a reference should be strung up. blah blah blah, more moot points. i'm sure there is some interesting "facts" in there but i'm not going to read it.

Ok to be serious i have a question for the hulk fans, posibly the juggernaut fans, is it true that hulks healing factor improves when he gets angry? (why have i not heared of this?) If not how is it better than wolverines? He was hit my a car half of his bones were broken, his spleen damaged lungs liver kidneys and heart, He was only a few seconds from flatlining and he just stood up and all his crap was healed. 😱

wolverine #92

and at ground zero did the bomb hit him or was it just close to hitting him, If it was just close radiation doesnt bother him and he could survive the explosion, But i dont believe he should survive a direct hit from a bomb like that. 🙄

and if so can you provide the issue number.

I have read somewhere that Hulks healing factor is greater than Wolverines. But this fight will end up in a stalemate. I dont see how any one can hurt eachother. Yea I know Juggy knocked Hulk out before and two issue later hulk knocked juggy on his @ss. But I would be cheering for Juggernaut to win.

hahaha...their healing abilities r entirely different...and Hulk has survived nuclear and gamma explosions on more than one occasion.

er when has juggie laid the smackdown on savage hulk???????? please inform me of this juggie fan u ignorant speck of flea cum, i give u prof hulk yup he was knocked out, fair dos, savage hulk, didnt he smash juggie into a mountain then walk off, er i think so my simple minded bollock scratcher, yes it could go either way, but sorry a savage hulk should take juggie more often than not based on his limitless power to get stronger.
* this brings me to my other point, juggie limitless strength what a load of piss, i mean ur making it up now, thats not what the character was created to be, and ive only heard of this since discussing with u, unknown vast strength yes, i accept this, unlimited no. his unlimited power as far as ive ever read /heard is being unstoppable once has built up momentum in a particular direction, and being incredibly durable to the point of invulnerability, this is where his power goes, lets not start adding hulks powers to his, anyway if u were right and your not, who gets stronger quicker???? i mean if they start giving other heroes unlimited strength then these questions will leave readers even more unsure of their heros powers and your confused enough.

I care not for your opinion wynndar i want some issue numbers. isnt hulk imune to radiation. Your putting me asleep again 😖leep:

Originally posted by Tough Guy
sorry when (other than as a lumberjack) else has juggie beaten hulk tron, to prove he has what he needs to beat hulk, i think u r very very mistaken.

Apparantly, you need to read all of The Incredible Hulk #172, where Juggernaut proved he was just as much of a match (if not more) for Hulk. How the fight would've finished is debateable, but I'll tell you this, it wouldn't be as easy for Hulk as you claim it to be, win or lose. You think I'm mistaken, I think you're mistaken, just our opinions though.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i only turn the thing around as to say well hulk has unlimited ( not unknown ) strength so that really kicks ass in a brawel, what has juggie got thats gonna BEAT a savage hulk growing rapidly in strength and healing anything almost instantanously ( thats why i argue hulk is almost as invulnerableas juggie).

Potential for unlimited strength, as I've always said. And, where's that "unlimited strength been in most of his fights (his first fights with Juggernaut, Abomination, etc.)? Juggernaut has what he's always had to beat Hulk on most days, not ever time mind you, but some times at least, as was shown in Hulk #172. And, an accelerated healing factor does not make for invulnerability, it just means he heals fast as hell, and he can still be injured.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
what prey tell, no issue numbers will save u, i grant that juggie would murder grey hulk, would in my opinion be a victor over prof hulk, but a savage or mindless hulk........that is where im coming from.

Ummmm, so? There's plenty of characters that can beat Grey Hulk, what's your point? No one brought on Joe Fix-It, you act like you're trying to give me charity or something, lol.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* my whole point abpout the onslaught / juggie saga was to show how inconsistant/ignorant comic writers/editors actually are, something u seem to se from my original post, therefore thats why i find some editor mumbling on about juggie being stronger than hulk, ( a savage hulk would not have any limit to his potential so would reach whatever he needed v quickly ad infinitum for his task, how u top that is byond the realms of reason) easy to discard.

Yeah, Onslaught was crap, but I don't completely blame the writers, they were more or less forced to merge their respective books together to try and make the big crossover work. So you think some writers saying Juggernaut is crap, your opinion, and I find Hulk being able to destroy an asteriod twice the size of Earth crap without destroying everything around it (wouldn't that make it a planet anyways).

Originally posted by Tough Guy
er when has juggie laid the smackdown on savage hulk????????

Again, read Hulk #172, again if you have already, and stop looking at it from a bias point of view. Hulk didn't lose I know, but you can't say he really won either. Juggernaut was getting the best of him, I don't know how you could see otherwise.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
savage hulk, didnt he smash juggie into a mountain then walk off

Sure, right after Juggernaut was about to try to break Hulk's neck. Sure he got tossed into a mountain, Hulk having no clue, figured the fight was over and started to walk off. Of course, it didn't take long for Juggernaut to get out, and get ready to attack Hulk from behind, lucky for Hulk Professor Xavier, Jean, and Cyclops just happened to be driving by, and hit him with a psychic assault, the end. I'll admit, it was a pretty f*cked up and funny coincidence, and the only thing that kept Juggernaut from continuing the fight.😉

Originally posted by Tough Guy
but sorry a savage hulk should take juggie more often than not based on his limitless power to get stronger.

You're opinion of course, and I've already mentioned the whole "potential" thing, so I won't bother.😉

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* this brings me to my other point, juggie limitless strength what a load of piss, i mean ur making it up now, thats not what the character was created to be, and ive only heard of this since discussing with u, unknown vast strength yes, i accept this, unlimited no.

Wolverine, Venom, Punisher, and others weren't meant to be what they grew to be either, doesn't mean a thing in comics though. I'm glad you've accepted that no one knows just how strong Juggernaut really is though😉

Originally posted by Tough Guy
his unlimited power as far as ive ever read /heard is being unstoppable once has built up momentum in a particular direction, and being incredibly durable to the point of invulnerability, this is where his power goes, lets not start adding hulks powers to his, anyway if u were right and your not, who gets stronger quicker????

Would you like me to get into all the powers he's ever displayed? I won't go there yet, unless you ask nicely😉. And who gets stronger quicker? I'd personally go with the guy who's already massively strong. But like I've said, Hulk has the potential to get stronger than Juggernaut, but ask yourself this, just how far does Hulk have to go before he gets there? Judging by the first fight, and the characters Hulk has had some matches against who have been easier for Juggernaut, I'd say pretty damn far.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i mean if they start giving other heroes unlimited strength then these questions will leave readers even more unsure of their heros powers and your confused enough.

As much as I like Hulk, I personally don't think any character should have unlimited strength, Hulk and Juggernaut included. Potential for it is one thing, but when they start doing ridiculous things like hold up mountains or destroy asteroids much bigger than Earth (which should have more gravity than earth as well, and would be it's own planet), then they start going into the Pre-Crisis Superman type of ridiculous power, that's just me though. And, I think you might be one of the only few people that would be confused by such a thing as character's powers😉.

please dont keep repeating porential, i know he has potential its just he only needs to get pissed to reach this, this my dear boy is my point. its not like he has to i dont know recite all of shakespear backwards to get there, yes i agree with you lets not let the powers go silly, the trouble is, if u have some other hero doing something almighty ,with hulk u then have to go something even better etc till u get galaxies being hurled around etc, ( i dont think well ever see marvel go as bad as dc). i also know hulks lost to ur aboms, namours etc but that makes no sense t me when u look stricty at powers, i mean i cant answer why hulk would not have grown i strength at that time but decided to on others, but thats comic books, inconsistant. as for 172 well hulk has been given the smackdown b4 only to get real pissed and come back at the end of the fight too strong, im sure wynndar will give exact issue numbers here, so i would advise dont read too much in too juggie smashing hulk for a while, hulk usually has to put up with a hell of a lot of punishment sometimes b4 escalating in strength.

and i think hulk having unlimited strength potential is fine, so long as writers respect thats his power and dont start handing it out to every other tom dick or harry, i mean thats his power ( incredible healing, and some immunity to psychic attacks are sort of secondary to this), if u just have him strong,then ud get someone stronger and the whole hulk character would be much weakened, i mean i dont have a prob with juggie having the potential to be indestructable, in my eyes you can still fight sucessfully against these powers without doing the character a disservice

and yes if pluto is a planet an asteroid that size of course would be a planet with its own gravity, and probably weather too lol, but again writers of comics........

Originally posted by talon00x
I care not for your opinion wynndar i want some issue numbers. isnt hulk imune to radiation. Your putting me asleep again 😖leep:

Radiation only evolves his powers...makes him better...some people like X-ray, have used radiation to burn Hulk at the moment, but in the long run it only makes him stronger, just like the Fantastic Four.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Radiation only evolves his powers...makes him better...some people like X-ray, have used radiation to burn Hulk at the moment, but in the long run it only makes him stronger, just like the Fantastic Four.

Im not in the mod to go searching for issue numbers...i will get them at some point today.

alright so if radiation evolves his power why are you saying surviving gamma explosions and so on is so great? When would his healing factor come into play with something that makes him better?

merry christmas everyone
😖anta:

also like someone said before in a post, Just because he has a healing factor doesnt mean he will become to the point were he cant feel pain.

Pain will still be there and being that juggernaut always has the power to get the job done. (besides onslaught and war who totaly embarased him)
I just cant see hulk grapping juggernaut and throwing him either now that the both know who they are fighting.

And this is a savage hulk and not a war hulk the outcome will be in juggernaut favor. (pain hurts my friends trust me)

Dont get me wrong im not saying this is going to be a landslide victory, but it wont be as close as some of you say ❌

yet i still believe that juggenaut will be the one walking away laughing

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Tough Guy
please dont keep repeating porential, i know he has potential its just he only needs to get pissed to reach this, this my dear boy is my point. its not like he has to i dont know recite all of shakespear backwards to get there, yes i agree with you lets not let the powers go silly, the trouble is, if u have some other hero doing something almighty ,with hulk u then have to go something even better etc till u get galaxies being hurled around etc, ( i dont think well ever see marvel go as bad as dc).

I only say that because although physically he's capable of it, the only thing is (in my opinion) he can only get so angry. While the strength may be "unlimited, his anger is not, and has only been shown to go past his normal levels in some situations. That's just how I see it though.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i also know hulks lost to ur aboms, namours etc but that makes no sense t me when u look stricty at powers, i mean i cant answer why hulk would not have grown i strength at that time but decided to on others, but thats comic books, inconsistant.

Well, Hulk can't win them all. Of course he could grow in strength, but it doesn't help if he's beaten before he gets stronger than his opponent. Abomination beating him in their first fight was perfectly understandable, after all, he WAS twice as strong as Hulk was. And Namor, he fought Hulk on his terms, in the water, which automatically made him stronger, but, has been shown to be pretty damn strong out of the water too. Hulk can't win every single physical confrontation. If he's winning every single one, then how would that look on most other character's credibility? It wouldn't hurt Hulk none, after the few fights he's lost, people still look at him the way they do.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
as for 172 well hulk has been given the smackdown b4 only to get real pissed and come back at the end of the fight too strong, im sure wynndar will give exact issue numbers here, so i would advise dont read too much in too juggie smashing hulk for a while, hulk usually has to put up with a hell of a lot of punishment sometimes b4 escalating in strength.

True, but that doesn't mean an automatic win for Hulk. he's done it before, but, that was usually against opponents he could actually hurt. If there's anyone who can take everything Hulk can throw and give just as much, it's Juggernaut. Hulk would get stronger, but no one knows just how long that could take. I've said before, the fight could go either way, but it would depend on the circumstances. If the location's right, then a possible "ring-out" would be in favor of Hulk, unless he wants to do it the hard way. And Juggernaut could also put Hulk down before he gets any stronger. It all depends on the situation, and although Hulk is capable of winning, I'd still put my money on Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
and i think hulk having unlimited strength potential is fine, so long as writers respect thats his power and dont start handing it out to every other tom dick or harry, i mean thats his power ( incredible healing, and some immunity to psychic attacks are sort of secondary to this), if u just have him strong,then ud get someone stronger and the whole hulk character would be much weakened, i mean i dont have a prob with juggie having the potential to be indestructable, in my eyes you can still fight sucessfully against these powers without doing the character a disservice

I don't mind having the potential for unlimited strength, that's one thing. But, it's a problem if any character has "unlimited" strength, cause then you pretty much have everyone jobbing to them. I know you said there are other ways to win, but as for physical challenges, I just don't wanna see it. It would get lame after a while (i.e. Pre-Crisis Superman). And, writers respect Hulk's powers fine, they're not out giving other characters "unlimited strength. But, they do accept that there are characters out there who are simply stronger (i.e. Champion, Thanos). I have no problem with it at all, I don't see them doing a diservice to anyone. Marvel's a big universe, Hulk can't just be the strongest out there, that's just me though.

And talon00x, I think Wynndar may have been referring more to the actually explosion than the radiation from it. Just my guess though.

true i must agree tron if juggie was able to win before hulk increased in strength fine, though this would be very hard to do as savage hulk as he would start to get very mad the instant he was attacked really, etc, i agree that though we have no idea the speed his strength increases so well have to live with our own opinions on that.
* my main point throughout is still there though that well he has no limit to his anger and this is all he needs to get stronger so starting off with an abom or namour shouldnt take hulk ( logically dont quote me issues) to surpass, writers are clearly lending credibility to these characters though at hulks expense. i mean yes in water namour touches the 100 tonne class, i mean big deal, yet he manages to knock out a well psyched hulk, ridiculous and totally written in favour of namour, this highlights comic inconsistencies.
* i strongly believe hulk should be bloddy impervious in these kinds of scuffles, heres why
1 . his powers are perfect for one brawling which is what these battles mainly come down to.
2 no matter how much stronger than hulk ( and there are many heros who start out much stronger) hulk has the power to match then surpass these heros just through his LIMITlESS rage, also heals quicker to the point of it being instantaneous, oh and talon, pain just makes the hulk madder etc. and ive just explained what that does.
3 i want more imagination, have him have a fist fight bt make it so that betty will die if he gets past a certain level of rage, or have him beaten shitless as grey or prof hulk, 2 versions i openly see as being very beatable, mindless and savage need to be used more in situations where the odds call for nigh on fantastical levels of strength /power, and if these fall into brawls then i cant see how savage SHOULD lose. i mean if hurting him only makes him stronger and heal quicker in a fight u r pretty much in a pickle

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i mean yes in water namour touches the 100 tonne class, i mean big deal, yet he manages to knock out a well psyched hulk, ridiculous and totally written in favour of namour, this highlights comic inconsistencies.

actually i believe this would have more to do with namor can clearly out-tag hulk in the water, while hulks abilities would clearly be hampred by water. its obvious namor is in his element in water, while hulk is out of his element. of coarse hulks going to lose.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* i strongly believe hulk should be bloddy impervious in these kinds of scuffles, heres why
1 . his powers are perfect for one brawling which is what these battles mainly come down to.
2 no matter how much stronger than hulk ( and there are many heros who start out much stronger) hulk has the power to match then surpass these heros just through his LIMITlESS rage,

but juggernaut has limitless amounts of energy to call upon 😉 arguement nullified..

Originally posted by Tough Guy
also heals quicker to the point of it being instantaneous,

juggernauts regenerating/healing abilities are quite clearly well above hulks 😉 everything you say to hulk also applies to juggernaut. he has shown to heal all of his body (except his bones) instantly when his power returned...

Originally posted by Tough Guy
oh and talon, pain just makes the hulk madder etc. and ive just explained what that does.

basically nothing...

juggie fan come up with something intelligent, juggie has not got inginite strength and thats it so dont bother typing out time nand again he has END, in water im soryy but hulk escalates so far up the strength graph that this would be of no factor, writers just wanted to add credibility to namour. Juggies energy will go into his invunerability so what, that wont hurt hulk, ive just bought a collection of marvel top trumps that have juggie weaker than abom, thor, and many others ( and this is classic juggie) ha ha ha, ( no i dont take them seriously but do find it amusing.) and my point dumb dumb i if hulk is healing quicker and quicker juggie punching will be as useless as hulk punching him. juggie would then pale as hulk got stronger and thats what happens when he gets mad, not basically nothing er idiot, er whats that your sorry and need to rectify yourself with my all conqueing power well i allow u to live another day ie juggie fan pnly as u amuse me

oh ans hulk has healed his body from bones too , so er what

Originally posted by Tough Guy
juggie fan come up with something intelligent, juggie has not got inginite strength and thats it so dont bother typing out time nand again he has END, in water im soryy but hulk escalates so far up the strength graph that this would be of no factor, writers just wanted to add credibility to namour. Juggies energy will go into his invunerability so what, that wont hurt hulk, ive just bought a collection of marvel top trumps that have juggie weaker than abom, thor, and many others ( and this is classic juggie) ha ha ha, ( no i dont take them seriously but do find it amusing.) and my point dumb dumb i if hulk is healing quicker and quicker juggie punching will be as useless as hulk punching him. juggie would then pale as hulk got stronger and thats what happens when he gets mad, not basically nothing er idiot, er whats that your sorry and need to rectify yourself with my all conqueing power well i allow u to live another day ie juggie fan pnly as u amuse me

don't go telling him that he needs to come up with something intelligent...you need to look in the mirror first.

Prove that Juggernaut doesn't have infinite strength. Name one instance where he wasn't strong enough to do something. You're so quick to shoot it down, yet your pathetic arguement can't even come up with any form of proof for your claim. Go ahead, name an instance where Juggernaut was too weak to perform a task.

Juggernaut's energy will go into his invulnerability? yah, that reaks of intelligence. And when has Juggernaut ever run out of energy? or shown a true lack of energy?

The point, dumb dumb, is that Hulk actually has to use energy in order to heal himself.....Juggernaut does not.

You calling Juggernautfan names only shows your immaturity. Sounds like you're just mad because Hulk has lost to normal Juggernaut 2x and only War could beat Juggernaut.

and your arguement about Thor being stronger than Juggernaut is a mute point because when Thor went head to head with Hulk....Thor was beating Hulk so bad with Mjolnir that Hulk had to grab a civilian and threaten to kill her if Thor didn't fight without it. They went toe-to-toe, destroying a city until Hulk ran away.