Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by talon00x
Apocalypse can increase his strength by drawing on outside energy sources, his strength is potentially incalculable. He can alter the atomic structure of his body at will in order to change his form. He can even increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source.

Dont even try and tell me hulk is stronger than Apocalypse, in case you dont know he was the one who beat down hulk and made him War.

apocalypse is the one on the left box

I've seen charactures described as having Infinite this and Infinite that, com'on, that means about as much as they calling so and so Omnipotent. There always somebody stronger and there is always somebody more powerful. Besides these are comics, half the time they use these descriptions is just to emphasize a certain feat or characture, don't take these decriptions literally.

Thank you very much Evangel. I didn't wanna say it, but you said it for me, so thank you.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I've seen charactures described as having Infinite this and Infinite that, com'on, that means about as much as they calling so and so Omnipotent. There always somebody stronger and there is always somebody more powerful. Besides these are comics, half the time they use these descriptions is just to emphasize a certain feat or characture, don't take these decriptions literally.

although not to be taken "literally" i believe it does put apocalypse' power into scope. he is definately a running match in raw strength alone when it comes to the hulk ... 🙂

savage hulk is in the 100 tonnes range and spends most his time well over that fact my dear boy.
*juggie did NOT knock down war, he was obliterated FACT
*What form of hulk has iron man knocked out, and all it does is reinforce my point that hulk will get knocked out by these dweebs ye later on survive an atom bomb or smash a planet or something. Wynndar could u elaborate on this iron man stuff. ( i dont read much about iron man as i find his character my least favourite in aLL UNIVERSES, a poor mans batman
*apocalpse is way more powerful than hulk, er so what talon hed kick the hell out of juggie and hulk together as his strength increases n a way very similar to hulks
* hulk heels fast enough FACT
* er 1 beam would snap holding up 150 billion tonnes you would need well billions, hulk didnt he hgeldit after it was DROPPED ( imagine all that extra force) on him, live with it juggie fan
*juggie can claim what he likes hulks attacks dont get weaker thats not in his character
* juggie cannot get whatever powers he wants from cytorak, thats not been said in anything other than on here, i mean u r warping arguments when u dissempower hulk, and re arrange juggie, juggie has invulnerability and unstopabbleness, except for stories altering him, as we had hulkaltered to war, live with it, if u need to change your guyinto something else to stand with hulk what does that say about your guy. al im doing is showing whats well within hulks powers to do. and they are welll documented if u wish to look.
* ATOMIC THUNDER. WELL TILL U CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS IM SAYING ATOMIC EXPLOSIONS. or something eqully as powerful.
* if were gonna start saying juggie can call on what powers he wants lets put a red cape on him and some blue tights and pack him off to dc lol.
* on we go hulk aparently cant grow strong unless it suits the juggie fans, grows weak /tired very easily, gets knocked out easily and really cant match juggie on strength as now juggie has unlimited strength, invulnerability, unstoppableness ( maybe hes a champion ice skater now) i mean marvel writers need shooting for the times he has proved earths mightiest mortal ( if not for the times thayve had him beaten when he ahouldnt have, i remember the snake lol namour, abom, etc) so lets see the next argument, hulk must also take years to increase strength, cant increase durability to be able to resist juggies blows, yup nest time i read a hulk comic ill look on him as little more than a daredevil understudy lol u guys. kevil, hulk isnt even my top hero, im far more into spider man as is more enjoyable, yet as far as heros go ive never seen anything so disillusioned as this thread for taking characters and basically getting their powers and potentials so wrong, now maybe i am a hulkster

ps your replies bare no correlation to what im saying , so till u prove what im saying wrong dont come back at me with answers so wide of the mark its annoying ( juggie fan)

oh and hulk increases strength fast enough, er thank u very much ladies and gentlemen

Originally posted by Tough Guy
savage hulk is in the 100 tonnes range and spends most his time well over that fact my dear boy.
*juggie did NOT knock down war, he was obliterated FACT

he was obliterated?? he wasnt knocked down?? re-read that.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
*What form of hulk has iron man knocked out, and all it does is reinforce my point that hulk will get knocked out by these dweebs ye later on survive an atom bomb or smash a planet or something.

blah blah blah... it happened. fact.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
Wynndar could u elaborate on this iron man stuff. ( i dont read much about iron man as i find his character my least favourite in aLL UNIVERSES, a poor mans batman

do you rely on wynndar for all your information?? cant you do a little research?? i bet you havnt read half the issues you talk about.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
*apocalpse is way more powerful than hulk, er so what talon hed kick the hell out of juggie and hulk together as his strength increases n a way very similar to hulks

apocalypse is -very- powerful statistically. thats all...

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* hulk heels fast enough FACT

juggernaut heals faster...

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* er 1 beam would snap holding up 150 billion tonnes you would need well billions, hulk didnt he hgeldit after it was DROPPED ( imagine all that extra force) on him, live with it juggie fan

i am living with facts while you are living in a world of denial. all he did was stop it from caving in. holding up 150 billion tons was on the cover, which means nothing as to what was inside.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
*juggie can claim what he likes hulks attacks dont get weaker thats not in his character

but they did... as hulk -fatiguely- backhanded juggernaut. thats when he made the comment.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* juggie cannot get whatever powers he wants from cytorak, thats not been said in anything other than on here,

hulks writers said it. and at times juggernaut has shown that he has -much- more energy at his disposal. plus cyttorak is where he gets all of his power from. you havnt seen it anywhere but here because you dont read the issues you talk about. you make vague assumptions that are so far off in the distant you cant see them with the naked eye.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i mean u r warping arguments when u dissempower hulk,

just like you do to juggernaut... 😉 i'm only telling you what happened. because its apparent you dont read the issues yourself.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
and re arrange juggie, juggie has invulnerability and unstopabbleness, except for stories altering him,

so his massive size doesnt also imply strength??? yeah right... thats just absurd.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
as we had hulkaltered to war, live with it,

when was juggernaut altered??? besides his recent depowering... to which he will come back ???

Originally posted by Tough Guy
if u need to change your guyinto something else to stand with hulk what does that say about your guy.

i'm not changing him at all... i dont even know why you are saying this. hulk is the one who had to be changed to defeat juggernaut. what does that say about him?? you are a s s backwards pal.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
al im doing is showing whats well within hulks powers to do.

and well within juggernauts is all i'm trying to show you.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
and they are welll documented if u wish to look.

you act as if i dont know who hulk is, or if i dont read his books... i do, but you just make rabid assumptions that juggernaut is -only- innulnerable and unstoppable. he has no strength what-so-ever- which is obviously false.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* ATOMIC THUNDER. WELL TILL U CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS IM SAYING ATOMIC EXPLOSIONS.

lol, this is why i dont take your posts serios. it said in the issue atomic thunder... i assume it meant really loud booms. nothing more, nothing less. you are trying to hype hulk up again. so who is changing the character and trying to make them look better?? oh wait... its you. a s s backwards i tell ya.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
or something eqully as powerful.

not even close. if it were atomic explosions nobody would have been able to see the fight because they would have been irradicated. most of the present characters couldnt have survived a nuclear explosion. you are hyping hulk up. ha ha ha, i bet you havnt even read this issue either. just more hear-say information on your part.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* if were gonna start saying juggie can call on what powers he wants lets put a red cape on him and some blue tights and pack him off to dc lol.

maybe we should... but i dont read dc. you are the one thats hyping hulk up. please read above.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
* on we go hulk aparently cant grow strong unless it suits the juggie fans, grows weak /tired very easily, gets knocked out easily and really cant match juggie on strength as now juggie has unlimited strength, invulnerability, unstoppableness ( maybe hes a champion ice skater now)

hes not the most graceful character... but he is powerful none the less. its ok to accept hulk has unlimited strength, but when juggernaut has something unlimited... its blasphemy.... sounds like something comming from hulk fan-boys 😉

Originally posted by Tough Guy
i mean marvel writers need shooting for the times he has proved earths mightiest mortal ( if not for the times thayve had him beaten when he ahouldnt have, i remember the snake lol namour, abom, etc)

every character has to be beaten. nobody is perfect. they all have thier times of "bad writing". but why is it so hard to accept juggernaut is a big muscle man also, and he has what it takes to take on hulk and win??

Originally posted by Tough Guy
so lets see the next argument, hulk must also take years to increase strength, cant increase durability to be able to resist juggies blows, yup nest time i read a hulk comic ill look on him as little more than a daredevil understudy lol u guys.

i know he has a healing factory. but as his rage increases, you are saying he -cant- tire and -cant- be hurt. thats just absurd...

Originally posted by Tough Guy
kevil, hulk isnt even my top hero, im far more into spider man as is more enjoyable, yet as far as heros go ive never seen anything so disillusioned as this thread for taking characters and basically getting their powers and potentials so wrong, now maybe i am a hulkster

the only one that has the powers wrong is you 😉 honestly... how many juggernaut issues have you read??? probably a few what-ifs or an age of apocalypse appearance?? if that.

*u saying juggie cant be hurt is absur, he can
* hulk has a healing factior that increases with rage live with it
* i dont care about what writers do to give or take hulk credibility as all issues brought up on here have been seeped in controversy, inconclusive, like marvel editors claiming juggie is infinite in strength, y on their trump cards and in his bios do we not read this, then why do they half dis power, if he is limitless they couldnt do this??????
* wynndarr clearly has more specific knowledge of issues and specifics than i do, hence how he constantly rubbishes your arguments with the issue numbers u clearly crave.
*juggie is a muscle man compared to your collossuss things etc, just not in hulks league, what puts him in the top league is his invulnerability MAGIC that also leaves him unable to tire. hulk would not tire quick enough for this to be an issue though so so what
*im aware hulk has lost , but find it absurd that a python would make him pass out, or iron man or namour ( a little less surprised at abom who started off 2 or 3 times stronger) as he has shown himself far superior in other comics or stories, that if u lok up in a dictionary is what inconsistency is.
*atomic thunder? noise??? of course why sherlock uve sussed it, er not, if u interpret that fine to me it was emphasising that he was punching with that power as that was what was required to break the armour ( that all avengers and juggie etc couldnt even dent).
*fanboy, read my post properly for once juggie fan ( er fanboy ahem) my point is on this thread juggie has been CLAIMED to have infinite strength, invulnerability, not able to be stopped, now i can see proof for the last 2 outside of celestial magic , but its only on this site that juggie has managed to gain infinite strength????? u designing a new character for us, crossed with hulk?????
* as his healing factor reached instant proportions how is he gonna be hurt????? and it doesnt take long to really piss him off.
* hulk not graceful, oh and juggie is???????
* most characters were nowhere near hulk v onslaught, his last punch was so powerful it seperated him from banner.
* hulks writers said this or that, well hulk has infinite power at his disposal i suppose now marvel are re writing whats possible, even in comic format???????
* apocalypse would annialate hulk and juggie accept it, he has celestial energy at his disposal, unlimited strength ( thats a fact) and power over his own atomic structure
* he held up 150 million tonnes thats why it didnt cave in, id have more respect for u if u didnt keep denying the bloody obvious, spider man was taunting him to help his strength increase, i wont bother arguing this point again.
* lastly no, ur saying that juggie has this or that then when hulks limitless strength became a problem decided he has that too as cytorak has unlimited MAGIC power, well if thats so all bios and parafanalia related to juggie would state his strength is limitless and so is his invulnerability, and he cant be stopped and can do what he wants, well it doesnt so stop making it up.
* no one is arguing his size doesnt put him in the 110 tonne club, it does he is there , but his main power is not his physiacal strength, and no he doesnt compare to hulk in tha, and beacause hulk is stronger i believe he would survibe a brawel with juggie better and ( not having to be able to hurt him) get the better flinging him off somewhere, though some part of me to shut u fanboys up ( i can call u that too) would love to see him increase in strength to the point he hurts juggie, a lot, and we discover he isnt invulnerable and leaves marvel to take up mud wrestling.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
your last post was requesting proof on hulks limitless strength actully......

Actually No.

this was my last post.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
tough guy's aren't supposed to cry when they've been proven wrong.

run along little one...reading your pathetic use of the English language is mind numbing.

a fact? Says who? you? 😆 The proof I want...is a comic reference. You claim to know this for a fact...so how did this fact come into being?

Keep getting upset...it's about the only part of your post that is amusing.

Where does it even say Hulk's name...let alone anything about his strength.

Keep trying big guy....the only thing better than me proving you wrong is you proving yourself wrong.

on the post previous to that *** if u look at your post before that u will see that i am right and u cant be.
* also war was not knocked down by juggie, sorry<, juggie was annialated, sorry to confuse u

Originally posted by Linkalicious
don't go telling him that he needs to come up with something intelligent...you need to look in the mirror first.

Prove that Juggernaut doesn't have infinite strength. Name one instance where he wasn't strong enough to do something. You're so quick to shoot it down, yet your pathetic arguement can't even come up with any form of proof for your claim. Go ahead, name an instance where Juggernaut was too weak to perform a task.

Juggernaut's energy will go into his invulnerability? yah, that reaks of intelligence. And when has Juggernaut ever run out of energy? or shown a true lack of energy?

The point, dumb dumb, is that Hulk actually has to use energy in order to heal himself.....Juggernaut does not.

You calling Juggernautfan names only shows your immaturity. Sounds like you're just mad because Hulk has lost to normal Juggernaut 2x and only War could beat Juggernaut.

and your arguement about Thor being stronger than Juggernaut is a mute point because when Thor went head to head with Hulk....Thor was beating Hulk so bad with Mjolnir that Hulk had to grab a civilian and threaten to kill her if Thor didn't fight without it. They went toe-to-toe, destroying a city until Hulk ran away.

again....where do I claim that Hulk DOES NOT have limitless strength?

The more you make me quote, the worst it's making you look.

edit: where did I ever say anything about Juggs knocking down War Hulk? for christ sakes quit putting words in my mouth to prove your pathetic arguements correct. Quote me.

Originally posted by Evangel94
I've seen charactures described as having Infinite this and Infinite that, com'on, that means about as much as they calling so and so Omnipotent. There always somebody stronger and there is always somebody more powerful. Besides these are comics, half the time they use these descriptions is just to emphasize a certain feat or characture, don't take these decriptions literally.

So what your saying is the hulk haveing limitless strength is BS? 😏

Talon...is the quote in your sig from the one-shot of Juggernaut vs. D'spayre?

linkalicious u say you want proof issue numbers, er for what????? his pant size, thats where u wanted proof of his limitless strength, er thank u, i see , its o, not your fault

good grief im arguing with juggie fan, do u read anything>> can u read, is it possible u have infinite ignorance

I want proof of the "fact" that Juggernaut does not have limitless strength.

You said it was a fact....now prove it.

I'm getting sick of this crap, you're a child...a little boy who's trying to act like a man.

Your pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Telling me I have infinite ignorance when all you do is prove yourself to be a complete moron.

son shut your trap, theres a good boy ( linka whartsit), i was arguing the point hulk has infinite strength and juggie doesnt due to another guy talking about some marvel editor saying juggie has infinite strength, your post or someone elses was implying to me that they wanted proof that hulk was infinite in strength, if u want proof juggie is not limitless in strength , go read his bio, and tell me where it says he is., also why his strength on trump cards or on bio stats is always lower than hulks? run along, theres a good fellow ha ha ha ha ha yes im laughing at u, u amuse me

talon, if u actually read a little in to that point it also means that juggie is not invulnerable, unstoppable, etc too, now how u like it?????

Originally posted by talon00x
So what your saying is the hulk haveing limitless strength is BS? 😏

That was to address your statement about Apocalypse. Im not touching anything on the subject of the hulk.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
son shut your trap, theres a good boy ( linka whartsit), i was arguing the point hulk has infinite strength and juggie doesnt due to another guy talking about some marvel editor saying juggie has infinite strength, your post or someone elses was implying to me that they wanted proof that hulk was infinite in strength, if u want proof juggie is not limitless in strength , go read his bio, and tell me where it says he is., also why his strength on trump cards or on bio stats is always lower than hulks? run along, theres a good fellow ha ha ha ha ha yes im laughing at u, u amuse me

yawn

you resort to comic cards and bios....and you're laughing at me? 😕

😆

You still can't name one comic where Juggernaut has been physically too weak to perform ANY physical task.

What next? Their HeroClix stats?