Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by radioboy121
If someone continues to provoke you, just ignore the person.

I think I have posted here before (80+ pages, I must have) but current Juggernaut does not fall from a character who uses physical strength as their weapon. In that case, Huk doesn't have the essential tools, regardless of how ridiculously powerful he is.

For Hulk to do anything, he will just have to hurt him a little here and there until the human side of Marko says quits and just leaves (Juggernaut can still be hurt, but he just heals too fast to cause permanent damage). Humans, as Marko in the very core essence is will continue to have emotions like boredom and a certain threshold for certain things (pain). Jab him in the eye enough times and Juggernaut will say "This is not worth it" and leaves.

Its funny you say that being juggernaut does not feel physical pain the way we do. Yes his eyes can be damaged but not like ours, shatterstar stabbed out his eye only to grow back in 2 seconds. Jabbing him in the eye will make him very angry and a angry juggernaut vs an angry hulk will be a great fight. 😎 his eyes are vunerable and his inside organs are vunerable. everthing else you would need magic to hurt him i think thats right let me know jug fan or tron

umm....so basically the only way jugz wins this is if he leaves? or gets bored?? that's dumb.....so the fact that jugz will get BORED and figures out it is NOT WORTH IT....means that he is victor....never seen a boxin match won like dat....i can see where ur commin from,...i just dun think its a feasable argument to back up jugz victory....

Originally posted by Tough Guy

*What form of hulk has iron man knocked out......

Since you supposedly know so much about the Hulk, you should know this already.

Do you even read the comic?

Originally posted by Tough Guy
oh so u can pick and choose can u...... hmmmmmmmmmmm talon i find this whole thin one sided towards juggie when it suits u we look at comics when it doesnt we dont, if i say comics r inconsistant im a fan boy, if i quoute facts from bios or trump cards etc im to be mocked for looking at statistics. hmmmmmmmmm very interesting

good point

Jug. has always been portrayed as a mentally weaker character...when Tom looked like he was hurt, Jug. freaked out and quit...when he saw he couldnt beat Onslaught, he cried and begged for his life like a punk...

Iron Man didnt knock him out...later on Stark figured out that the Hulk was faking it and admitted that no one can beat the Hulk, or that Hulk is the strongest there is, or something to that degree.

I'm still voting for the Hulk.

Originally posted by ayjay
umm....so basically the only way jugz wins this is if he leaves? or gets bored?? that's dumb.....so the fact that jugz will get BORED and figures out it is NOT WORTH IT....means that he is victor....never seen a boxin match won like dat....i can see where ur commin from,...i just dun think its a feasable argument to back up jugz victory....

😛 did you even read what he said? he said "if Hulk can do anything." that's like saying Hulk might have a chance if he did this or that. geez. anyway, Hulk wins cause' Juggie is Black Tom's spanking boy. 😄

Hulk could do plenty, Juggs loses plain and simple.

well not according to the x-men cartoon!

LOL! Good one. Cartoon logic, the same reason Ghost Rider beats Galactus in 5 seconds flat.

I couldnt agree with u more...some of the stuff people say on here....the way they pick and choose what issues count and which issues dont...there is some serious fanboyism going on

Yeah, it's easy to turn the other way and ignore your favorite character getting whippped when you're a grade A fanboy. People should realize that there is a possibility that they could just maybe at least in part be completely way out there totally wrong.

thank u wynndar for the iron man clear up i dont remember him beating hulk, looks like fly needs to actually read these comics.
* i use ump cards bios as clearly they are more consistant to the characters
* talon what the hell u r on i dont know but get me some , i made a simple fact everyone else got but u, guys if u want to use comics then be prepared for the incoconsistancies thrown up, and they are there for juggie, aging and dying etc moves him away from immortality etc,
* plan and simple hulk gets stronger , hulk smash till juggie either does get hurt ( very contraversial ) or ends up buried under 150 billion tonnes of rock, where he has to take years to get out, like b4 when he was created.
* yes war was KNOCKED as he leapt to the city, that gave juggie nothing as it just knocked war into some cars, not like he was brawling and did it, it was wars momentum, though i can see how your point of view will give some credibility to juggie through it
* im off away for a couple of days now ( juggie fan linkasaurus, tron, talon i can hear your tears) for Christmas. A VERY HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO U ALL, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR BATTLES AFTER CHRISTAMS, GOD BLESS

Later tough guy...... 😖anta:

Back to the biz...... Ok juggernaut aging? Sorta like when he was in that deminsion and time went by real fast and he was aging becoming really old. He looked at it like a diseas and he became young again. Now i dont know if it still works like that but that how it did work.

So saying he ages well ummmmm is there any proof, i showed mine.

Also apocalypse ages and he is immortal whats the real point behind the aging thing?
Even if juggernaut does age its not like he will die from it he might just return be being young again 😉

Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
This battle would be not be your typical "thinking" match but a rather hardcore "slugfest" between two 1000lb+ monsters..We've seen these two knock each other around on numerous occasions and none "floored" the other. This battle goes to WHO can withstand more attacks(more durable), WHO has the most potential strength because this battle would indeed be timely..The answer is the hulk. He heals at an enormous rate while the Juggernaut "Won't" recover from hard attacks as fast..The Hulk is loads quicker and more agilie..He just has "too many" perks as Juggernaut just has Superior strength....

I have to disagree. Juggernaut's powers make him capable of absorbing far more damage than Hulk, Hulk's punches will do little to nothing to Juggernaut (although Wynndar would argue this to the death). Also, for any physical damage that Juggernaut does happen to endure (i.e. a mystical sword through the eye, having all his flesh magically removed from his bones, etc.), he can heal from it instantly. Hulk is quicker (can't say about the agile part so I won't comment on it), but Juggernaut is far more durable.

Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Now I'm no Hulk fanboy but I DO know that both of these opponents faced off against Onslaught, Juggernaut lost badly, he had no inner "rage" to fall back on, no "potential" to get a burst of spontaneous energy, he had his limit which wasn't enough to even topple Onslaught, Hulk however has that certain potential, if his base strength is dwarfed by an opponent he at least has that "chance" to raise his strength to their opposing level, and THATS what gives the hulk the edge, their base strength may be equal BUT hulk's can rise while Juggernauts cannot..It's a rarity when the hulk is beaten in an all out blow by blow exhibition, but Jugg's been beaten on numerous occasions..

Oh I KNOW you're no Hulk fanboy, I've seen your posts, lol. Anyways, of course Juggernaut lost badly to Onslaught, after all, an extremely powerful uber-psionic decided to make Juggernaut his first target, and it wasn't like he had help like Hulk did either, but that's just how I look at it though. And Hulk's strength can rise, but, who knows just how far it has to rise to get even close to Juggernaut's power. And yeah, Juggernaut's been beaten on numerous occasions, but when has he ever been beaten in an all out blow by blow exhibition? Last I checked, it was never.

Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
My point in a nutshell is that the hulk is Marvel's top "strong guy", in a close range blow for blow battle might for might Strength for Strength confrontation you AINT gonna beat the hulk(The thing, Hercules,Abomination, Thor), THATS the hulks area of expertise and UNLESS you have a power that "absorbs, takes-away-gamma-radiation, or Beyonder type cosmic powers then you-are-not-beating-the-hulk..Bar..none...

Well, Hulk's definitely at the top of the list, but he's definitely not at the top, as far as the entire Marvel Universe goes, but he does have the potential. And, Hulk's been beaten in a few physical confrontations. He's a pro at it, no doubt, but it doesn't give him a guaranteed win all the time.

And Tough Guy, I mean no disrespect when I say this, but you've done nothing but say pretty much the same thing over and over for nearly ten pages or more, and have not brought up a single issue #, quote, pic, nothing to help prove you're case. You're pretty much just depending on bios and comic cards for most of your info, whihc won't help you because most of those are inaccurate, misinterpreted, or well out of date. The more you keep saying the same thing constantly without any "proof", the less credible you look. Hell, I even find myself now just scanning through your post. If you're gonna post like everything you say is absolute law, then you gotta bring something more than the same thing to your arguement if you wanna be taken more serious, otherwise you'll just find that you're pretty much posting to yourself. Now you don't have to take me serious on this (don't know if you will or not), but it's just something to think about.

I think the four confrontations of Hulk and Jug. make it very hard for either side to come up with a devisive argument...but i do think it is ignorant for people to talk about Hulk's losses and then omit Jugernaut's because they don't like the people who write him at the time

It's a known fact that Juggernaut is impervious to physical damage.

Now, Hulk fanboys...please explain what Hulk's limitless strength means if he all of his punches don't hurt the Juggernaut.

Fact. Juggernaut is strong enough to knock Hulk out. Fact. Hulk can't hurt Juggernaut. Fact. Hulk can't knock out Juggernaut.

support your arguement, don't just state your opinion based on fanboyism.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Hulk could do plenty, Juggs loses plain and simple.

why?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Yeah, it's easy to turn the other way and ignore your favorite character getting whippped when you're a grade A fanboy. People should realize that there is a possibility that they could just maybe at least in part be completely way out there totally wrong.

based on your answer above....who's really being the fanboy?

What can Hulk do to Juggernaut to have any affect on him?

The only way Hulk could beat Juggernaut was through some sort of BS "psychic backlash" that acted as a psionic attact on Juggernaut.
Physically, he cannot defeat the Juggernaut.

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Originally posted by Tough Guy
thank u wynndar for the iron man clear up i dont remember him beating hulk, looks like fly needs to actually read these comics.
* i use ump cards bios as clearly they are more consistant to the characters

Did I just read that correctly?

Did you just say that I actually need to read these comics?!? 😆

Please. You said that you get your information from card bios and you're telling me that I actually "have to read these comics"?

When was the last time that you even picked up an issue of the Hulk? Just like what you've been doing all through out this thread, you've contradicted yourself.