Well, I'm sticking by the hulk in an all-out, to the death throw-down..
The Hulk's Advantages:
Durability
Rapid healing factor
Infinite Strength
Extra-ordinary leaping ability
Quickness despite size
Invulnerability
Juggernaut:
Invulnerability
Extra-ordinary BUT "finite" strength
Durability
Hulk's Disadvantages:
Dumb but makes up for in power
Jugg's Disadvantages:
Dumb but makes up for in power
Slow moving
Too one-dimensional(only has one strength to fall back on)
If I'm not mistaken it was the Juggernaut whom "begged" Onslaught for his own life, I mean literally stating, "Please Onslaught, don't kill me"
The hulk despite having Jean turn off his "mind"(She didn't assist him as far as power is concerned, she just "unlocked" HIS OWN potential), the hulk rose to the occasion and KNOCKED off Onslaught's armor, something Jugg's couldn't do...
Face it, Say for argument's sake, Juggs' power is 100, his enemies power is 150, the conclusion Juggs<Enemy BUT the hulk's power is 100+(meaning it rises accordingly) while his enemies is 150, the conclusion, Hulk>=his enemy..
Common logic would tell you, 100+>100 and THAT's that.....The simple truth, Jugg's my be invulnerable to physical attacks according to the X-men or the avengers, BUT when he faced off against the hulk on many occasions he physially "felt" EVERY blow, and NO it didn't take hulk twenty years just to get angry and reach Jugg's level, he was already there from the start.....Jugg's power is finite, hulk's is infinite, yeah..it comes to that...
Here's "every" confrontation between the Hulk and Juggernaut and NO the hulk didn't have to take 20 years to get angry just match the Juggernauts power..
Hulk vs. Juggernaut- Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #172
Hulk and Juggernaut team up to escape the army’s cell, but Juggernaut’s meanness turns Hulk off and the fighting is on. The two go back and forth fighting. The most that can be said is that Hulk manages to get Juggernaut’s helmet off. Hulk thinks that the fight is over, but Juggernaut is getting back up when the X-Men arrive. Professor X, Marvel Girl, and for some reason Cyclops knock Juggernaut out.
WINNER: None, SCORE: Juggernaut 0, Hulk 0
Fight 2:
Hulk vs. Juggernaut II- Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #402
Hulk is the new leader of the Pantheon and decides to take it upon himself to investigate in the amazon rain forest where acres upon acres are being leveled. When he finds a man there that looks like a big lumberjack he thinks nothing of it. The lumberjack turns out to be the Juggernaut and before Hulk realizes what he is into the Juggernaut knocks him out.
WINNER: Juggernaut, SCORE: Juggernaut 1, Hulk 0
Hulk vs. Juggernaut III- Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #404
Hulk was being mentally controlled by the Red Skull and teamed up with the Juggernaut under the pretense that Juggernaut was his father. Juggernaut is so pleased that he compliments Bruce. Bruce knows that Juggernaut can’t be his father because he never complimented him. Hulk fights the control and when he does finally break it he causes a psychic backlash that knocks Juggernaut out.
WINNER: Hulk, SCORE: Juggernaut 1, Hulk 1
Hulk vs. Juggernaut IV- Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #457
Hulk has been enlisted in Apocalypse’s army as War. The New World Order sends out Absorbing Man and Juggernaut against him. Absorbing Man is almost a non factor, and Juggernaut doesn’t fare much better. Hulk does the impossible and stops Juggernaut’s charge, and then smacks Juggernaut around. Juggernaut isn't knocked out, but he gets handled.
WINNER: Hulk, SCORE: Hulk 2, Juggernaut 1
Hulk vs. Juggernaut V- Defenders vol. 2 #10
Juggernaut and every other villain on Earth are controlled by the Headmen and forced into battling the Defenders (the only beings on Earth not under their control). Nighthawk manages to wrest the means to control everyone on Earth from the Headmen and stops the fight. Every villain is returned to where they came from.
WINNER: None, SCORE: remains Hulk 2, Juggernaut 1
So, in a nutshell, The Jugg's is NOT invulnerable to hulk's attacks...Whomever said Hulk can't topple the Juggernaut is full O' Crap..
Yeah, this fight did go both ways on many occasions BUT in a long lengthy fight till' the death the hulk would win..(See my previous post on why)...
we already went through the 1 point per win fight 😉
juggernaut tells hulk he is getting weaker, while juggernaut grows stronger and is sucker punched by xavier jean and cyclops.... 1 for juggernaut
juggernaut pummels hulk... 2 for juggernaut
there you have it folks... juts evened the score
the point is, you are giving hulk a win in 457 when it wasnt even hulk. he didnt even have the same mind set. it was war, therefor is irrelavant.
hulks only win, is 404, while very short. had it not been for a phsychic backlash, who knows what would have happened.
but despite all this, its 50/50.
well..jugernaut's strength has been measured hasn't it? so it has a limit...but hulk's strength has never been measured...thus he has more potential than juggernaut....if juggernaut presents hulk with a fierce enough battle...hulk will undoubtedly rise to the occasion and equal and surpass juggernaut....
Originally posted by ayjay
well..jugernaut's strength has been measured hasn't it? so it has a limit...but hulk's strength has never been measured...thus he has more potential than juggernaut....if juggernaut presents hulk with a fierce enough battle...hulk will undoubtedly rise to the occasion and equal and surpass juggernaut....
no... juggernauts strength has never been measured 😉 do you people just rabidly assume that if its not hulk his strength cant possibly be great??
Juggernaut can leap really far too.... What does that have to do with anything that hulk can leap really far? Who said to a fight to the death hulk would win?..... 😆 hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha 😆 juggernaut cannot die!!! He cannot be hurt (physicaly) he cannot be knocked out (physicaly), he cannot be bleed (unless magic is involved.) HE DOESNT FEEL PAIN!!!!! (physicaly) He doesnt need air, He doesnt get tired or exhausted! saying in the long run hulk will win is BS. The longer hulk takes yes he will get stronger but he will also get tired. If he does anything he will have to do it before the fight even begins.
Better take some vitamins hulk your gonna need up boxing
But no matter what juggernaut will be the one walking away laughing laughing
the people on this board act like Juggernaut can't be defeated..
In those previous fights I posted the Juggernaut "felt" physical pain, he felt each and every blow dealt to him by the hulk in which made it an even battle...
And YES the Juggernaut strength is "finite" meaning it has a limit, we're not "rabbidly" assuming anything, I "never" seen on any bio or comic for that matter that Juggernaut's strength gradually increases therefore it's safe to assume that although he is "extremely" powerful, Jugg's strength can't excel past a certain point..If anyone's "assuming" anything it's you people assuming that Jugg's strength is "infinite" just by viewing his accomplishments, you juggfan's are basically "giving" him powers he doesn't posess..It's "understood" that Jugg's strength has a limit since no Marvel bio/writer/comic ever said anything about him having unlimited strength, he just has power and durability THATS ALL..
Talon: He doesn't feel pain?! He sure as hell felt Onslaught's asskickin as he begged(and I quote) "Onslaught, please don't kill me"-Juggernaut
So what he doesn't need air, or food, the hulk doesn't either, and besides THAT what does not needing to eat or breathe air have to do with him clobbering the hulk into the ground? Gladiator doesn't need food or water yet the Hulk clobbered the hell out of him....
Until you can proove to me by posting any comic faqs about juggernaut's strength being infinite then you're fighting a losing battle.
Until then I'm going to give the fight to the hulk, fact it, the hulk's potential shot up to "Onslaught's" level as the hulk toppled a "supreme being"...Juggernaut "begged" for this being not to KILL him...LOL..you do the math 🙂...
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
In those previous fights I posted the Juggernaut "felt" physical pain, he felt each and every blow dealt to him by the hulk in which made it an even battle...
he felt pain?? news to me... name one panel... one image where he felt pain from a hulk punch. you cant do it cause it didnt happen.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
And YES the Juggernaut strength is "finite" meaning it has a limit, we're not "rabbidly" assuming anything, I "never" seen on any bio or comic for that matter that Juggernaut's strength gradually increases
but you have also NEVER seen juggernaut not able to physically do something 😉
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
therefore it's safe to assume that although he is "extremely" powerful, Jugg's strength can't excel past a certain point..
well apparently hulks cant either, as hes never overpowerd juggernaut 😉
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
If anyone's "assuming" anything it's you people assuming that Jugg's strength is "infinite" just by viewing his accomplishments,
so how do you determine how strong he is?? by looking at the things he hasnt encountered?? thats just a silly way to look at it.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
you juggfan's are basically "giving" him powers he doesn't posess..
so now he doesnt possess immense strength?? because hulk fans dont want him to have it??? is that how its supposed to go? the answer is no.. he's always had strength, and he will always have strength. when connected to his magics
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
It's "understood" that Jugg's strength has a limit
a limit that is -well- above hulks.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
since no Marvel bio/writer/comic ever said anything about him having unlimited strength,
oh but you are wrong 😉 hulks own writer said that juggernaut was probably stronger. this is the part where i tell you that you can take your foot out of your mouth 😄
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
he just has power and durability THATS ALL..
yea, no strength what so ever. this is what lead me to say rabid assumptions in the first place. all hulk has is built up adrenal glands. THATS ALL.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Talon: He doesn't feel pain?! He sure as hell felt Onslaught's asskickin as he begged(and I quote) "Onslaught, please don't kill me"-Juggernaut
always relying on, onlsaught, whom was bad writing regardless of the appearance he made.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
So what he doesn't need air, or food, the hulk doesn't either,
do you know how un-intelligent you sound?? hulk has admitted he could drown (needing air) just as easily as any other person (thats right, normal people). hulk also needs food.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
and besides THAT what does not needing to eat or breathe air have to do with him clobbering the hulk into the ground?
well, eventually hulk will have to recharge his body and will need to breathe continually throughout the fight, whereas juggernaut... doesnt have to do these things. i'd call that a major advantage.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Gladiator doesn't need food or water yet the Hulk clobbered the hell out of him....
since when has beating gladiator after the first 2 pages been a major accomplishment??
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Until you can proove to me by posting any comic faqs about juggernaut's strength being infinite then you're fighting a losing battle.
you mean about how he clobbers an insanely raged out hulk?? pretty strong if you ask me... hulk #172.
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
Until then I'm going to give the fight to the hulk,
and i to juggernaut 😉
Originally posted by SarKastic_OJ
fact it, the hulk's potential shot up to "Onslaught's" level as the hulk toppled a "supreme being"...Juggernaut "begged" for this being not to KILL him...LOL..you do the math 🙂...
onslaught is your only comparison?? its obvious that onslaught had a power that has often defeated juggernaut. thats telepathy. and as far as the battles go, onslaught was using it to defeat juggernaut 😉
if you want to compare like opponents... look at thing whom juggernaut clobbered easily. look at rhino, whom juggernaut demolished (in a depowered state) without much effort what-so-ever. these are physical battles compared to the above mentioned telepathic battle (to which its obvious juggernaut is going to lose).
When a comic doesn't "go your way" its always bad writing...When your favoriter character gets his butt tossed around and begs for his mere life its "bad writing"..
Like someone has already said one to many times on this board, it's almost impossible to argue with a "fan"..They'll always twist your logic and manipulate your own reason to their own desire and MAKE it seem like they have a point, when they only end up sounding more and more like a fan in the PROcess..
We've seen(the thing, hercules, Thor,Strong guy) DO strong things but yet we haven't deemed their strength infinite..Just because jugg's strength is irrmeasurable doesn't make it infinite, its just "never been measured", no writer actually ever really cared enough to state on Jugg's power to deem it infinite..So like the many "strong guys" of marvel WITH the exception of the hulk, his strength is "understood" to be finite...Powerful BUT finite, the limit of Juggernauts strength was shown in the Onslaught battle, if he was so strong then why couldn't he managed even the "slightest" offensive in that battle? His limit wasn't "enough" for Onslaught...Hulk's was...the sad truth(at least to a Juggy fan)...Face it...come to terms with it...
And in that same book you mention OJ, Onslaught also said himself that he couldn't do any physical harm to Juggernaut as long as he was connected to his powers. If you're gonna mention one thing in a book, you better be prepared to acknowledge the rest.😉
And there's not a single person on here that said Juggernaut can't be beaten. Hulk is extremely strong, and his strength can grow over time, but against a being like Juggernaut, it's an uphill battle, as was shown in Hulk #172. And, mentioning Onslaught beating Juggernaut won't help you either. Naturally, a reality warping uber-psionic could deal with Juggernaut with ease, especially when he makes him his very first target, and especially when it's pretty personal (being Xavier and all).