God / Religion Thread [merged]

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Force... That car thing... I'm not sure whether to laugh, or to be offended. God wasn't answering your damned prayer for a better car, if you think he was, you need serious help. There are people in the world who have MUCH bigger problems than little old you having to drive a crappy car. Which do you think is more important to God, a little girl in the Middle East who just got her legs blown off by a mine and might die of an infection, or some rich American kid who hates his car?

I'm not going to find a good church... You know why? Because I've come to the point where I think Christianity is complete bullshit. Not the religion in and of itself, but how it's interpreted. Hitler was a practicing Christian, who killed millions of people. You say he can still get into heaven? Hitler is probably the most evil person of the 20th century, and the one who single handedly caused the world more pain and suffering than any number of Saudi terrorists ever did. But you look at somebody like Ghandi, on the other hand, who was not Christian, but did nothing but good for the world, and HE'S the one who gets to rot in hell for all eternity?

Manson is a Satanist... But like I said before, he never hurt anybody. He's not "evil". Why are there so many evil Christians who get free tickets to heaven just because they went to church every Sunday, but so many non Christians who are anything but evil who have to go to hell? Like AC said, Moses would be rolling in his grave if he knew the commandments which he worked so hard to get were being overlooked.

So, if I had a mid-life crisis and became a Christian when I was 35, my MANSION when I got to heaven would be small and empty? I thought Christianity was opposed to materialism? So if I'm a Christian, I shouldn't care how much crap my MANSION has in it. And since you're a Christian, you shouldn't care about your car either. This is the main reason why I think Christianity today is a load of bull... hypocrisy. The bible says that you should give up all your possessions, but you pray to God to get a new car while little children are starving in Korea.

So for the last time... I'm not a Christian and probably never will be again. I've rejected that way of thinking.

first of all i'm no where near rich, and second, God answered something i prayed for because inturn i would need that prayer answered, so no he would just blow me off and go help someonelse, because he's everywhere, all the time, so he could be helping me and that kid, but i'll say it now, we got ourselves into these predicaments, and we can try to get ourselves out fully, but it doesn't ever work out that easily, but God can get you outta that stuff, if you would just ask him.

I told you there was only one way into heaven, and i told what that way was, heck if you were a cannibal all you life that murdered and then ate people, if you realized somethign was wrong, went into a good christian church, repented and ask jesus into your heart, then BAM, your set.

Dude, like i said, your a christian when you accept that Jesus died for you, not because you go to church, the real reason to go to church is so you can learn more about the Bible. And yes Moses already had that happen to him, ya know with the israelites, and the golden idol. That split his wig. 😂 anyways we aren't acting any different than the israelites were.

ok say what now? in your 4th paragraph, are you saying that me as a human should not want material things?now that is BS right there, and it is not what Christianity is about, whoever told you that was wrong. Where does it say in the Bible to give up all your possession, just give me the verse so i can find it. Anyways there's not much i can do for the homeless kids out there in other country, i'm 17. All i can do is pray. and then why don't you do your part to help to?

first of all i'm no where near rich, and second, God answered something i prayed for because inturn i would need that prayer answered, so no he would just blow me off and go help someonelse, because he's everywhere, all the time, so he could be helping me and that kid

How about the story of Cain and Able

At times christians are such a bunch of hypocrites they make me wanna puke

It is true that praying is for the cleansing of ones soul ... but there are many times in the bible where physical means were accomplished by prayer... like the walls of Jericho falling .... food and water in the desert while moses led the Jews... and countless battles fought specifically said were won by prayer and faith .... 😄

Perhaps its the ideal that one can have faith in something that does not directly assists you is the problem Finti.

"What kind of schools are you talking about? Teachers tell kids to shut up when they are rowdy and don't let other kids learn! I don't blame teachers for that!"

I had some of the rowdiest kids in my class, I still got the job done because you get out what you put in. Which is what many Christians believe is the case.

"I help charity not addicts. Why should I try to help a crackhead that doesn't want to be help in the first place?"

What if the charities you help, help addicts? They wont turn anyone away.

"he's everywhere, all the time"

Clearly he is if he exists. In which case why would you be told you NEED church one day a week?

"I told you there was only one way into heaven, and i told what that way was, heck if you were a cannibal all you life that murdered and then ate people, if you realized somethign was wrong, went into a good christian church, repented and ask jesus into your heart, then BAM, your set."

So........believe in God or it's eternal suffering? Whatever happened to forgiveness? What you just said sounds like a cheap and obvious ploy into converting others and playing off man's inner fear so that he comes to Christianity.

"Dude, like i said, your a christian when you accept that Jesus died for you, not because you go to church, the real reason to go to church is so you can learn more about the Bible."

Jesus died of his own free will. He chose to die. He didn't die for me. Listen to the line in the Tool song Eulogy. "You've claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own Eulogy?". If he was prepared to die for "us" why the hell are people wandering around like he got forcefully murdered? He made a choice. Deal. If I choose to rob a store to feed a homeless guy, does he spend the rest of his life indebted to me because I made the wrong choice?

"are you saying that me as a human should not want material things?now that is BS right there, and it is not what Christianity is about, whoever told you that was wrong. Where does it say in the Bible to give up all your possession"

Son there's a big difference between wanting material things and praying to the omnipotent, all seeing Lord for them. Which you did. THAT is BS. You should really wake up. You're a walking contradiction.

"Anyways there's not much i can do for the homeless kids out there in other country, i'm 17. All i can do is pray. "

So you're willing to pray to God that he helps them, which isn't gonna happen. Yet you're not willing to actually help them yourself? That's what I mean about your kind of Christian. You always look to the skies for each and every thing. I bet you'd have God wipe your butts for you if he could.

-AC

I'm sorry but I have to agree with AC.

"Son there's a big difference between wanting material things and praying to the omnipotent, all seeing Lord for them. Which you did. THAT is BS. You should really wake up. You're a walking contradiction."

Here because he's said plain and simply that all of us want material things, that's a part of human nature. But I seriously doubt that I'd pray to the Almighty for those boots I really wanted. I'd be more likely to ask my mum to buy me them for Xmas. She's the Omni when it comes to such things. I'm sorry Force, you know I love you to bits but half of this thread is filled with you spouting utter crap. And I will be honest. I'm not looking at it from an Atheist point of view either, I'm looking at it from my own. And personally, you seem to have a little too much faith in The Faith, if you get my drift 🙄

"So you're willing to pray to God that he helps them, which isn't gonna happen. Yet you're not willing to actually help them yourself? That's what I mean about your kind of Christian. You always look to the skies for each and every thing. I bet you'd have God wipe your butts for you if he could."

Gotta concur here too; it's all well and good clasping your hands together and kneeling at the foot of your bed, but when all is said and done, did you really actually do anything? You probably made yourself feel good, perhaps you truly believe that your prayers will be duly noted, but from my point of view you took five minutes out of your day to make a few requests in order to do your 'good deed'. More BS I believe........

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I had some of the rowdiest kids in my class, I still got the job done because you get out what you put in. Which is what many Christians believe is the case.

Good for you! Unfortunally not everyone has your abilities.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What if the charities you help, help addicts? They wont turn anyone away.

That's right! They don't turn anyone away. But they also keep track of those that are common guests. They keep records (I think) so if the guy is an addict most likely he will be reported to the social services and maybe them will get him to kick the addiction. See, I still don't see a reason why I should a quarter to a homeless guy. No matter how guilty the argument is trying to make me....I will not give that hobbo a single red cent. He wants money......either get a job.....or get on welfare.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[quote] What you just said sounds like a cheap and obvious ploy into converting others and playing off man's inner fear so that he comes to Christianity.

Men inner fear? How can a Christian put fear of God into a person who is an Atheist? If you don't believe God exist...why would you fear such a being? Maybe those that are converting are trying to get more spiritual? In the end a person chooses his beliefs.

Hey hey hey!!!

Why the hell do people say "I'm sorry but I gotta agree with AC"?.

I'm not a damn ogre. Jeez.

"Men inner fear? How can a Christian put fear of God into a person who is an Atheist? If you don't believe God exist...why would you fear such a being? Maybe those that are converting are trying to get more spiritual? In the end a person chooses his beliefs."

Yeah but we all know "people" by the majority don't like to do stuff for themselves. They like to be told what to believe. So if you tell a middle aged man, who fears Death, that if he converts he'll go to Heaven if all he gotta do is repent, that to me is playing off his fear just to get a recruit.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"What kind of schools are you talking about? Teachers tell kids to shut up when they are rowdy and don't let other kids learn! I don't blame teachers for that!"

I had some of the rowdiest kids in my class, I still got the job done because you get out what you put in. Which is what many Christians believe is the case.

"I help charity not addicts. Why should I try to help a crackhead that doesn't want to be help in the first place?"

What if the charities you help, help addicts? They wont turn anyone away.

"he's everywhere, all the time"

Clearly he is if he exists. In which case why would you be told you NEED church one day a week?

"I told you there was only one way into heaven, and i told what that way was, heck if you were a cannibal all you life that murdered and then ate people, if you realized somethign was wrong, went into a good christian church, repented and ask jesus into your heart, then BAM, your set."

So........believe in God or it's eternal suffering? Whatever happened to forgiveness? What you just said sounds like a cheap and obvious ploy into converting others and playing off man's inner fear so that he comes to Christianity.

"Dude, like i said, your a christian when you accept that Jesus died for you, not because you go to church, the real reason to go to church is so you can learn more about the Bible."

Jesus died of his own free will. He chose to die. He didn't die for me. Listen to the line in the Tool song Eulogy. "You've claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own Eulogy?". If he was prepared to die for "us" why the hell are people wandering around like he got forcefully murdered? He made a choice. Deal. If I choose to rob a store to feed a homeless guy, does he spend the rest of his life indebted to me because I made the wrong choice?

"are you saying that me as a human should not want material things?now that is BS right there, and it is not what Christianity is about, whoever told you that was wrong. Where does it say in the Bible to give up all your possession"

Son there's a big difference between wanting material things and praying to the omnipotent, all seeing Lord for them. Which you did. THAT is BS. You should really wake up. You're a walking contradiction.

"Anyways there's not much i can do for the homeless kids out there in other country, i'm 17. All i can do is pray. "

So you're willing to pray to God that he helps them, which isn't gonna happen. Yet you're not willing to actually help them yourself? That's what I mean about your kind of Christian. You always look to the skies for each and every thing. I bet you'd have God wipe your butts for you if he could.

-AC

we are told to go to church so we can learn more, and listen to a pastor can help you to realize things that you don't get. And you learn more about the bible so you can tell other people about it, and be able to back up what you say. Case and Point.

What the heck, read it for yourself, God gives us a choice to go to heaven, and he tells us what we have to do, it's not that hard to follow and your benefitted from it. Just because it sounds like something that you don't want to believe and what you don't want to do, does not mean that it is the wrong way into heaven, there is no way else.... God says it's the only way. Case and Point.

Jesus died, becaused there wasn't another way for us to get out of going to hell, he made a way by his death, so we could ask forgiveness from our sins and then we could get into heaven, there is no sin in heaven, so when jesus died he took those sins that held us to going to hell, and allowed us to go to heaven. And the reason we mope around because of this is because jesus was convicted of something he didn't do, he was convicted, tortured and crucified, and he did it for us, so that we wouldn't half to suffer for enterity, but unfortunetly, alot of people are suffering because of ignorance. Anyways you could be convicted of stealing... because you stole, even if it was for good. Case and Point.

Don't tell me about God when you try to limit him yourself. God cares about us, he loves us, he wants the best for us, and he can do these things and more if you follow what he says, and not do your own dang thing (and when you guys stick your head out of the crowd, you can see where that leads you.) WE don't call him father for nothing, in the bible it says that we are his children, so what's wrong with asking for something that i needed, there is nothing wrong, and if you think theree somethign wrong about that then you a seriouly, religiously mistaken. Even in the old testament they could ask for things without be killed. And we can to. So read a bit more then tell me that i'm a contradiction. Case and Point.

God helps them, but just like any other human they'll have to find him to, whether they're told by a missionary, or they are rescued by a missionary, there day will come. And what about my kind a christian now, huh? We look to the sky becuase we can, and when we do, God is right there wating for us with open arms, but then again he's not just a magic genie or an item, and so he does not need to be treated like one. Just know this God loves you and he's waiting for you, he'd got a plan for you, like he does everyone else. Case and Point.

Also just to add something, i'll admit i am a hypocrite, mainly in the field of lust. It's something i've got to give up, but i guess i'm not ready yet. Anyways, I know what i'm talking about in means of the Bible.

- The Force

WE don't call him father for nothing

I know what i'm talking about in means of the Bible

And you learn more about the bible so you can tell other people about it

I belive that god makes us, and gives us a reason to be here. But I do not believe he controls events on earth

Did God make us?
1) Which God?
2) No, he/she/it didn't. Anyone who believes otherwise should offer some proof of this.

no! we made ourselves!(note the sarcasm)

Howdy yall. for those of you who aren't believers of JesusChrist, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, I do not wish to offend! God to me is an incredibly real, loving God. He is an almighty and very personal God, who, With out Him, my life would be much different and a lot harder. Jesus rocks my socks off!!

Look, don't try to wrap your finite mind around and infinite being and concept plain and simple.😕

Originally posted by finti
so the gender is set

oh really could have fooled me

Now here is the consept you never grasp, has it ever occured to you that people might NOT WANT to hear about it at all

well, we don't call God a she, but he is also just a name, God is a spirit, he has no gender. Like we have a gender.

How'd i fool you? 🙄

IT's not that people don't want to hear it, but it's something that people will need to hear, sooner or later. And hopefully it's sooner...

As i said, Ignorance will keep people from going to heaven...

First off when one enters heaven they are no longer human. Their basic physiological, and psychological needs become obsolete. As widely believed, there will be no need to eat in heaven but you will be able to, and the desire for things outside of perfection will be gone. Heaven is not perfect by our defenition solely but by the Lord's Word and standards. We really do need a theological and paranormal forum, don't we??✅

"we are told to go to church so we can learn more, and listen to a pastor can help you to realize things that you don't get. And you learn more about the bible so you can tell other people about it, and be able to back up what you say. Case and Point."

In school my teacher taught us about Ancient Egypt when I was really young. I wanted to learn more BY MYSELF. So I got books out of the library. If you wanna learn more do it yourself. Don't accept being told how to learn. You do coz you are a sheep.

"What the heck, read it for yourself, God gives us a choice to go to heaven, and he tells us what we have to do, it's not that hard to follow and your benefitted from it. Just because it sounds like something that you don't want to believe and what you don't want to do, does not mean that it is the wrong way into heaven, there is no way else.... God says it's the only way. Case and Point."

All you ever do is say "God says......". Stop following and open your eyes. Everything you say has probably got God cracking up right now. I don't know what bible you read but everything you say contradicts everything that God is supposed to be about.

"Jesus died, becaused there wasn't another way for us to get out of going to hell, he made a way by his death, so we could ask forgiveness from our sins and then we could get into heaven, there is no sin in heaven, so when jesus died he took those sins that held us to going to hell, and allowed us to go to heaven. And the reason we mope around because of this is because jesus was convicted of something he didn't do, he was convicted, tortured and crucified, and he did it for us, so that we wouldn't half to suffer for enterity, but unfortunetly, alot of people are suffering because of ignorance."

If there was no way out of us going to Hell then we clearly deserved it. So Jesus would have went against his "fathers" will. Right? Shhhh. Sit down. People fought in World War 2 and died for you, where's your worship of them? Especially seeing as that's actually provable.

"Anyways you could be convicted of stealing... because you stole, even if it was for good. Case and Point."

But....but I did it out of good and kindness for the needy! Surely that man should therefore worship me. As I got convicted for ending his hunger. Yeah like I said, sit down.

"Don't tell me about God when you try to limit him yourself. God cares about us, he loves us, he wants the best for us, and he can do these things and more if you follow what he says, and not do your own dang thing (and when you guys stick your head out of the crowd, you can see where that leads you.) "

So we're born to be robots basically? God created us to do nothing but follow his will? You really are dumb. Really. That alone would contradict the reason he would have created us. For crying out loud man, open your goddamn eyes.

"WE don't call him father for nothing, in the bible it says that we are his children, so what's wrong with asking for something that i needed, there is nothing wrong, and if you think theree somethign wrong about that then you a seriouly, religiously mistaken. "

In the paper it said that George Bush is a good, Christian man. He isn't. I'm not God's child. Jesus was God's child if he actually existed. What's wrong with asking for something? Well jeez. Erm, what really is wrong with asking the lord for something that will only lead to personal gain rather than something that will benifit the world. Hmmm, I dunno. Really. Then again, what's wrong with GOING AND MAKING IT HAPPEN FOR YOURSELF? If you love God so much, please him by showing him you're not a redundant, dependant leech. Which is what you are.

"And what about my kind a christian now, huh? We look to the sky becuase we can, and when we do, God is right there wating for us with open arms, but then again he's not just a magic genie or an item, and so he does not need to be treated like one"

So.........treat God with so much respect that we end up becoming robots, not living for ourselves. Yet we should also not treat him like something magical. Well boy, you asked for contradiction and there you go.

"Also just to add something, i'll admit i am a hypocrite, mainly in the field of lust. It's something i've got to give up, but i guess i'm not ready yet. Anyways, I know what i'm talking about in means of the Bible."

Simply put, you haven't a clue. Really.

"well, we don't call God a she, but he is also just a name, God is a spirit, he has no gender. "

God is a spirit and has no gender yet you refer to God as HE right after. Funny that.

"IT's not that people don't want to hear it, but it's something that people will need to hear, sooner or later. And hopefully it's sooner..."

Yes, yes it is. Some people don't want to hear it. Some people don't want to hear it from people like you. YOU are doing nothing but making Christianity seem terrible (I think it is anyway) and driving people AWAY from learning. Coz if someone looking for a religion read your posts, they'd think "**** that. Not do my own thing? Hmm. Dubious".

"As i said, Ignorance will keep people from going to heaven..."

I'll be seeing you in Hell then.

-AC

OK, this is getting ridiculous.

You've all gotten to the point where you're itching for replies to things you've said so you can simply analyse them and then rip them apart, commenting on each piece in turn.

It's becoming very nasty in this thread, there's a clear segregation from my point of view, and I think Ush was right when he made that warning (read up those of you who ignored it), we obviously can't discuss things that are this important without getting underhanded and below the belt.

It's quite sad really ❌

Originally posted by sonofasaiyan
Look, don't try to wrap your finite mind around and infinite being and concept plain and simple.😕

huh?

If that was aimed at me then we clearly have different ideas of what's below the belt and what isn't. I don't believe I said anything offensive at all. The Force takes responsibility but he doesn't accept that people wont agree with him. If he writes complete crap then people are gonna say stuff about it. I'm not here to tear him apart. I'd say the same to anyone and I do. Anyone else that does so does so of their own free will.

He should know that if you have such set views on religion and start telling us things, someone his gonna say something back. If he gets offended it's his own problem coz I haven't set out to offend him. I have used the quote then comment technique for years and the only reason I do is to make it clear what part of the post I am referring to otherwise things really would get confusing.

I can't speak for anyone but me. I'm not being offensive so whoever is offended is just easy to offend or overly sensitive.

The Philosophy Forum is separate from every other forum in that it's where mainly intelligent people get together and debate/discuss things. If it was in the comic forum and I went around dissing people I could understand. However it's a great topic and it's hotly debated. So why take steam off a fast running train? The Force hasn't complained or claimed he's offended.

-AC