Anyone who actually thinks Spiderman could beat Batman obviously hasn't been reading comics for a very long time. Batman is in every way superior to Spiderman. If you know comics then you know intellect wins a fight not witty banter. You don't need special powers to be the best superhero, as evident by Batman's entire career as a comic book superhero. Bats hands down on this fight.
I disagree with you and I know comics.Both characters. I am open to suggestion though, but you havn't come up with anything concrete knightfall. This debate is about a fight, not whos thje best superhero.Of course bats is the best superhero but could he beat-up spiderman. I think spiderman would be Bats' bogeyman, the one who he would struggle to beat always. Spidey's unpredictable and chaotic fight-style would be too much in my opinion, aswell as the massive strength and speed advantages. Why don't you come up with more?
Originally posted by Knightfall
Anyone who actually thinks Spiderman could beat Batman obviously hasn't been reading comics for a very long time. Batman is in every way superior to Spiderman. If you know comics then you know intellect wins a fight not witty banter. You don't need special powers to be the best superhero, as evident by Batman's entire career as a comic book superhero. Bats hands down on this fight.
😆 how does batman go from being superior in every way, to not needing power's to win?
Batman is DC staple hero. Spider-man ((among other's)) is Marvels
career is no way to judge this fight
like Kal-el said, spider-man is a chaotic fighter when facing someone hes stronger than. he bounces around slapping them silly((did you see what he did to the entire X team?))
VENOMfan, you quoted me again. I am honored. 😎
Both VENOMfan-- master of all things slobbery and ugly-- and Kal-El, vigilante defender of the mean streets of London-- are right, Knightfall.
The Batman is overall a more impressive icon than Spider-Man, but that hardly makes him superior in every way.
I myself testified that the Batman could conceivably beat Spider-Man with a little warning before a confrontation, but that's still a long-shot.
Spider-Man is superior to the Batman in every single physical area except physical size and weight, which is almost irrelevant and actually works to Spider-Man's advantage.
Spider-Man is brilliant, as is the Batman. The only edges Batman holds are his overly-practiced analytical skills, his superior tactical knowledge, and his resources. That may be enough to make the difference.
If the Batman were able to find a gadget able to circumvent Spider-Man's metahuman intuition, then he could win. Hand-to-hand, with no gadgets, he has absolutely no chance of beating Spider-Man.
Batman is superior in every way concerning combat specifically. As he is well versed in a great many martial arts styles he is more than capable of dealing with "super strength." The first thing you learn in martial arts is to not rely on strength, it means nothing. Batman is also the ultimate tactician he would break down Spiderman's every move as well as the various psychological driving forces within him. Batman has defeated countless foes who are stronger, faster, etc. because of the fact that he uses his brains and finds there weaknesses. If you were to take him at face value then of course he would never beat any meta-humans, he's just a simple human right? Wrong. He is a master at what he does. The only piece of evidence you've provided is that when Spiderman meets stiff competion he "bounces around and slaps them silly." While that may appear as an effective combat strategy to some, to others who know better, it surely isn't when involving someone of competence. Furthermore, as I believe Herr Logan noted, if this were an actual published fight Batman would win regardless of who is a better fighter. He is an older, more well-established character, who is far wiser. That's just how comics are written. Now don't get me wrong, I love Spidey as much as the next guy, but you are comparing him to Batman who in my opinion is easilly the greatest superhero ever. This is because he proves that you don't need super powers to be heroic and that a superhero can exist even in the hearts of the most ordinary people. Sorry guys, but there's no way you are going to effectively argue that the comic-relief superhero is gonna beat the dark knight.
I agree with nearly all your points knightfall, except the result of a fight between the two. I totally agree with strength not meaning much when you're good at martial arts but in the real world, know one is that much stronger than anyone(10 tonnes!!spidey's limit) or faster(40times faster).You obviously know that one punch from spidey could really hurt bats big time, even disable him or kill him if spidey wanted to(but never would), and you can't expect anyone to believe that bats could stop spidey hitting him.You should know that guys who train martial arts to the limit, realise that against someone else who also knows every technique, strength is the deciding factor, thats why kung-fu monks conditon fists and bodies to be rockhard and capable of shattering bones and withstanding body blows, coz the actual skills and techniques alone are not enough. Batman IS the greatest SH of all time but he CAN'T beat up spiderman! I guess we're gonna have to just disagree on this but I don't wish to change anyhone's mind anyway! True about an actual published fight. It would prob never happen coz a result would be too close to call and no writer would wanna put himself on the line like that! Liked reading your post Knight!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Batman
[B]VENOMfan, you quoted me again. I am honored. 😎
Both VENOMfan-- master of all things slobbery and ugly-- and Kal-El, vigilante defender of the mean streets of London-- are right, Knightfall.
LOL 😆 MATE - you CRACK ME UP! 😆
And I'm honoured to be described like that!
again your argument dosent apply to spidey, career will not help him in this fight Spiderman can handle martial art's master's hes fought Iron fist and many others.
Spidermans speed is far greater,Strength far greater, hes wildly combat intellegent yes so is batman but Bat's dosent posses a great enuf advantage here to aid him in this fight. and as far as fighting skill goes Spidermans abilities combined with his spidersense have formed a FORMIDABLE combat style that no one can emulate((other than Scarlet Spider))
like I said before if bat's was aware of Spiderman and wanted to take him down THEN batman could defeat him. and rather easily thats what batman does, but in a random incounter Batman couldnt beat Spidey unless bad writing was involved.
The only bad writing I could forsee would be Batman losing to Spiderman. There just isn't anything you could say to convince me otherwise. I've read both titles extensively and firmly believe Batman would win. It would be a good fight I'm sure, but in the end, Bat's always gets the upper hand. And rather than trying to assert that you are right, why not recognize everyone's opinion as equal in it's own right, Venom.
Another signature quote! Now you gotta change your name to "TheBatmanFan." It's slobberin' time! 😉
Knightfall, much respect for your reference to the wise and knowledgable Herr Logan, even if he is an arrogant bastard who spends too much time debating superheroes. 😎
I definitely think the deciding factor here is the spider-sense. It's the one thing that ensures that Spider-Man's abilities will counteract any tactical expertise the Batman possesses. The big question is, can the Batman disable or work around the spider-sense? The Green Goblin did it. Hell, even Mysterio did it. I believe preparation is, as everyone is always saying about when it comes to the Dark Knight, is the key here.
If Batman couldn't defeat the spider-sense, then Spider-Man would win that fight as surely as Kal-El is keeping London's seedy underworld in a state of primal fear as we speak. 😎
If Batman couldn't defeat the spider-sense, then Spider-Man would win that fight as surely as Kal-El is keeping London's seedy underworld in a state of primal fear as we speak. 😎 [/B][/QUOTE]
😆 LMAO!!That has made my night.I got back early from criminal patrol tonight, just lager-louts coming out of pubs, no super-villains about.
Knightfall, I respect your posts totally and agree that we disagree amicably. If only there were a writing/artist team-up who've written both characters like Miller/McFarlane to create such an epic encounter.
Originally posted by Spider-Dan
The only way Batman could beat Spider-Man is in his dreams. C'mon, Batman is only a puny human.
People like you piss me off. Batman beat Superman. With a little preparation time, he beat Spawn to a draw. He did well against Wonder Woman with no preparation at all. He engeneered the defeat of the Justice League. But forget all that. He's only human, so he can't possible fight a nonhuman successfully. Bleh.
I'm not saying Batman will win. I don't know who would win, and I don't care. But you'll have to do better than "Batman is only human."
First of all: Batman is one of the most overrated superheroes ever. Don't get me wrong, I really like him, but I read here on a forum somewhere that writers tend to exaggerate him, and that's indeed true.
According to these writers, Batman can do about ANYTHING: he has mastered over a hundred fighting styles, he has lots of money, is a genius in about every scientific field and has apparently also mental abbilities: there are some fans of Batman who really think that the Bats just has to look at somebody to know all of his weaknesses. Yeah right...
Another mistake lots of fans make, is that they alway refer to the :"Batman has beaten Superman"-fact. Big deal. In the Dark Knight Returns, he had help when fighting Superman (he also planned the whole fight weeks in advance), and had also some Kryptonite with him. A child knows that Supes is very weak to Kryptonite.
My point here is : every! superhero has beaten mighty villains who were much stronger than they were, so please tell me another story of the heroism of Batman. Spiderman has fought his heroic battles as well, and has been doing this since he was a teenager.
But no, all the Batman fan keep repeating themselves: Batman has "beaten" - in a way – Superman (Superman was very weakend by the Kryptonite, but he also kicked Batman’s ass, he broke a few ribs from Batman, the Batman fans always forget to mention this detail) so Batman never never never can loose anymore. From nobody !!! End of discussion !!! Sigh... If that's true, then Batman is a very boring hero.
I would like to stress the fact that I like Batman, but I don't like the almost superhuman version of Batman, the Man who can do Anything (and who never is afraid, or hungry, or sleepy, or sad, or tired, or in a bad mood, or sometimes just stupid), just because "He is Batman". When somebody like Spiderman of Superman hits Batman with full power, it’s exit Batman. Come on people, he is still human.
By the way: Batman versus Spiderman: Spiderman wins easily. He is truly superior on every physical level (speed, strength, agility, reflexes) and is also tougher than Batman. Batman can take some heavy punches, but not in the same way than Spiderman. Spidey can take some real heavy-shit punches, punches that would actually kill every human (including Batman) but still keeps coming.
In the end it comes down to one thing: one punch from Spiderman. It won't be a problem for Spidey to hurt Batman, but it will be a very major problem for Batman only to hit Spiderman. If Spiderman wants, he can knock down a stone wall in half a second. He is too strong, too fast and too unpredictable for Batman. And also by the way: Spiderman can kick Bane around every hour of the day.
But of course, Batman has beaten Superman (with help), so he never can loose again... :-) from nobody !!! sigh...