Spider-Man vs Batman

Originally posted by who?-kid

You have to have time to think, even when you're a fast thinker. Spider-Man is too fast for Batman to come up with a plan. Spider-Man only needs half a second to jump behind your back and kick you with his foot.
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Originally posted by who?-kid

Sure, lot's of people have tried this kind of strategy... lots of people got their ass kicked by Spider-Man 🙂.
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Originally posted by who?-kid

Euhm, what kind of weakness are we talking about ? Like I said many times before, Spider-Man has no weaknesses that can be exploited by Batman !!
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Leonard Maltin is right, but not completely. Batman definitly couldn't take all the Marvel characters, simply because marvel loves making characters infinitly strong. Note Batman's marvel counterpart... Dr.Doom. He has no mutant powers, he uses his intelligence and mastery of the occult to go apeshit on everyone. Batman VS Doom. Now there my friends, is a fight. Doom wins only because he is so much more advanced then the Bat.

Originally posted by who?-kid

Absolutely not true. When written right, Spider-Man will play with Batman for a while, and then finish him. Too strong, too fast, too tough...

Spider-Man is too strong and too fast for Batman. How will Batman beat Spider-Man ?

He can not hit him, because Spider-Man is faster, has better reflexes and has his spider sense. Even blindfolded and standing on one leg, Spider-Man can avoid all of Batmans attacks !

Oh what the hell, even if Batman hit Spider-Man, nothing will happen. Spider-Man can take more pain than Batman can give him, and that's a fact. [/B]

I wish people would stop using the "He is too strong, too fast, and he has his spider sences" argument. Spider man himself has defeated foes that were stronger that him, faster than him and those that have special abilites, so to say that batman can not beat spider man because he is faster, stronger and has spider sences is a stupid argument.

Batman has beaten the whole of the JLA which included the flash <speed> The Martian <strength> and superman <speed/strength and a whole lot more> so stop using the strength/speed/sence as the whole basis of your argument. If that is all that you have to base your decision on then you dont know batman.

Another thing will people stop comparing the intellegence of Batman to that of Spiderman. Peter is smart when it comes to science but batman is a master strategist, there is a difference. Science is about finding solution to problems while strategy is about outthinking and out manuvering your apponent and while Peter is smart I have seen nothing in the spiderman comics to lead me to beleive that he is even in the same leage as Bruce when it comes to strategic planning.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Leonard Maltin is right, but not completely. Batman definitly couldn't take all the Marvel characters, simply because marvel loves making characters infinitly strong. Note Batman's marvel counterpart... Dr.Doom. He has no mutant powers, he uses his intelligence and mastery of the occult to go apeshit on everyone. Batman VS Doom. Now there my friends, is a fight. Doom wins only because he is so much more advanced then the Bat.

I am not saying that Batman can beat all Marvel characters, I am just saying that there are very few characters both in DC and Marvel comics that can beat Batman and Spider man is not one of those characters.

P.S why does everyone assume that Batman has to hit spiderman in order to defeat him. That is not the only way to win a battle. Batman is not an ideot and will know straight away that he can not beat spider man in a straight fight so he will not stand there and try to duke it out with him. He will probably through something from his belt like a concussion grenade or tear gas or something like that to confuse spider man and then make his escape to come up with a plan for defeating him.

Batman would do like he did to Predator. He'd start a fist fight and call the batmobile so spiderman's spidersenses would be too busy picking up the oncoming fists he wouldn't register the Batmobile as it ran his arachnid ass over.

I totally agree with Lenord!
Way to go!
Go batsy!Go Batsy!

Originally posted by Lenord
I wish people would stop using the "He is too strong, too fast, and he has his spider sences" argument. Spider man himself has defeated foes that were stronger that him, faster than him and those that have special abilites, so to say that batman can not beat spider man because he is faster, stronger and has spider sences is a stupid argument.

It's very simple : on a physical level, Batman has virtually NO chance in defeating Spider-Man. So, he must use his (yawn) preptime. Ok, no problem. But you make it too simple.

When Batman comes up with a plan, it's no guarantee this plan will work perfectl !! Even his back-up plans may fail. Oh man, if I had to make a list of all the so-called perfect plans to kill/capture/humiliate Spider-Man, made by smart people such as Green Goblin, Dock Ock... people who knew Spider-Man better than they knew themselves.

Spider-Man is still alive, isn't he ? You forget that Spider-Man can be very, very unpredictable. You can not set a perfect trap for somebody who a) has a spider-sense which warns him for any kind of danger b) is very stubborn and unpredictable.

But I'm a nice guy, so let's assume that Batman finds out how Spider-Man's spider-sense works, and let's also assume he can kill of this spider-sense. So ?! Do you really, really think Spider-Man will give up ? He has fought before without his spider-sense, you know. He got the shit kicked out of him by for example Hobgoblin, who is waaay stronger than Batman, but Spider-Man still defeated him.

Fact is Spider-Man remains fast, strong and tough enough to take on Batman and Nightwing on the same time, spider-sense or no spider-sense, web or no web.

Don't say I can't use the strength-factor, because when all the plans have failed, Spider-Man jumps up to Batman and starts kicking his ass.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Batman would do like he did to Predator. He'd start a fist fight and call the batmobile so spiderman's spidersenses would be too busy picking up the oncoming fists he wouldn't register the Batmobile as it ran his arachnid ass over.

"too busy picking up the oncoming fists" hahaha

Originally posted by Lenord
Batman almost always fights on his terms not on others.

For one he could deaden his spider sences like the green goblin did in order to follow him... He could find his secreat identity... Everyone has a weakness and for you to claim he does not is a bit bias...

No Batman will not put Aunt May in harms way on purpose that is. But no he wont threaten a bystander,(If Aunt May is there) Maybe he give the ID to Jameson or something like that.

That's not a fight, that's plain blackmail. I know Batman fights dirty (one of the reasons I like him), but I don't think he would go so far.

And if he should be so stupid reveal the secret identity... well, ever seen a berserk Spider-Man ?

i did its was a way cooler comics, he broke normans face

coming into black mail dont u think peter is also going to be suspicious of bruce identity since he would photograph him, and strange his spider sense tingling(still not knowing from where is the menace),and second if he come close enough dont u think he would realise bat kin and voice?^duh........he would follow bat into batcave and goodbye tech things,
Batman: computer! HELP
computer: no go. cant calculate strategy ,the target is too fast and too unpredictible..........bzzzzzeeeeeee.........boom!
batman: but...how.......???
becouse spider is the MAN!!!!!!

Hey in the Batman Superman movie, If Bats found out the ID and not Superman, I sure the newspapers in the next morning would read Clark Kent is Superman.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Why ? Those are [b]very important abilities, things for Batman to take into consideration !

It's very simple : on a physical level, Batman has virtually NO chance in defeating Spider-Man. So, he must use his (yawn) preptime. Ok, no problem. But you make it too simple.

When Batman comes up with a plan, it's no guarantee this plan will work perfectl !! Even his back-up plans may fail. Oh man, if I had to make a list of all the so-called perfect plans to kill/capture/humiliate Spider-Man, made by smart people such as Green Goblin, Dock Ock... people who knew Spider-Man better than they knew themselves.

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Ok first of all I have read a lot of Spider Man comics <I have been a fan for a long time> and I can tell you that he has been capture by a lot of villans a lot less smarter than Bruce and most of the time the reason they fail to win is because they waste a lot of time talking and boasting to spiderman about thier "great plan" and how they have managed to capture him. This gives spider man time to make his escape and defeate the villan. If a villan would just take a gun and shoot spidey once he is caught in a trap he would have been dead a long time ago.

For example when the Green Goblin finnaly caught spider man what does he do.... he ties him to a chair and waits for him to wake up so that he can reveale to him that he is Norman Osborn.... Can you imagine Batman doing this? That is why Batman will succed where others have failed. By the way the Goblin used a simple sleeping gas to capture spiderman so I dont think it is impossible for Batman to find something in than multimillion dollar toys of his to deal with him.

Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
coming into black mail dont u think peter is also going to be suspicious of bruce identity since he would photograph him, and strange his spider sense tingling(still not knowing from where is the menace),and second if he come close enough dont u think he would realise bat kin and voice?^duh........he would follow bat into batcave and goodbye tech things,

Come on we are talking here about a guy who did not know that his best friends father was also his greatest enemy (green goblin). For gods sake if the green goblin had not removed his mask and revealed to him that he was Norman Osborn he would still be in the dark. And these is a guy you expect to connect Batman to multimillion playboy Bruce Wayne, get real.

Look even if his spider sense tingiles when he photos Bruce (which I dont think will happen because Bruce does not present an immidiate treat to him at that time), there will likely be a lot of people around Bruce and since the danger is not imminent the tingle will not be strong enough for him to zero in on Bruce. Peter would never connect the tingle to Batman or even to Bruce so he would not figure out his secreat.

How the hell is he going to follow Batman to his cave when it is in a secluded area where spiderman cant swing to follow him.

And I wish people would stop cring out the "prep time", that is part of who Batman is. He is not like other heros who tend to fight their enemies head on because they have special powers, he is a meticules strategist and planner, it is part of who he is. Not to allow "prep time" for Batman is like taking away spidermans speed/strength/agility and having him fight his emeies with nothing but his webshotters and his wall climbing. Not allowing "prep time" is a ploy that people use in order to allow spiderman to win.

Originally posted by who?-kid

But I'm a nice guy, so let's assume that Batman finds out how Spider-Man's spider-sense works, and let's also assume he can kill of this spider-sense. So ?! Do you really, really think Spider-Man will give up ? He has fought before without his spider-sense, you know. He got the shit kicked out of him by for example Hobgoblin, who is waaay stronger than Batman, but Spider-Man still defeated him.

Fact is Spider-Man remains fast, strong and tough enough to take on Batman and Nightwing on the same time, spider-sense or no spider-sense, web or no web.

Don't say I can't use the strength-factor, because when all the plans have failed, Spider-Man jumps up to Batman and starts kicking his ass.

Look why do people think that strength and speed is the deciding factor in this matchup. I hate to burst your bubble but it is not as huge of a facture as you assume it to be. If strenght and speed was the only thing that mattered Batman would have been a dead man a long time ago, and so would spiderman for that matter. Lets face it they have both defeated enemies that were stronger and faster than them, so it is not that greate a deal.

The only thing that is unique to spiderman and that might prove difficult for Batman to deal with are his spider sense/Wall climbing and his web. As I said before Batman could nutrelise his webs and spider sense (lets face it lots of people have done it before). After that all he is left with are his speed/strength/agility and wall climbing and lets face it Batman has defeated people who have been much more faster and stronger than spidey so where does that leave spider man.

Spider man has been and always will be one of my Fev heroes but in this matchup Spidey will loose 80-90% of the time.

Originally posted by Lenord
Look why do people think that strength and speed is the deciding factor in this matchup.

I hate to burst your bubble but it is not as huge of a facture as you assume it to be. If strenght and speed was the only thing that mattered Batman would have been a dead man a long time ago, and so would spiderman for that matter.

Spider-Man also has taken lots of damage/flesh wounds, but he has an excuse : he also possesses a healing factor. Batman doesn't.

The only thing that is unique to spiderman and that might prove difficult for Batman to deal with are his spider sense/Wall climbing and his web. As I said before Batman could nutrelise his webs and spider sense (lets face it lots of people have done it before).

Claiming that Batman will find something against his web, AND also find something against his web, AND even has a plan to lure this weakened Spider-Man in a perfect working trap, that's a bit too far fetched. Or a bit too simple. As I said, Spider-Man can be very unpredictable.

Originally posted by who?-kid

Yes, but as I said, nobody ever defeated him completely, web or no web, spider-sense or no spider-sense. Without his web and without his spider-sense, Spider-Man is still too strong, too fast and too tough for Batman to handle in a bare fist fight.

Claiming that Batman will find something against his web, AND also find something against his web, AND even has a plan to lure this weakened Spider-Man in a perfect working trap, that's a bit too far fetched. Or a bit too simple. As I said, Spider-Man can be very unpredictable. [/B]

Of course nobody has defeated him completly, after all it is his name on the comic book so I hardly think anyone is likely to defeate him completely. You could say the same for almost every other comic book hero, they very rearly completely loose unless they want to cancel a comic book character. As far as the web and spider sense is concerned lesser villans have found a way to nutralise it so there is no question that Batman can do it (for gods sake Mistero managed it).

Also batman would never fight spiderman in a straight out bare fist fight so stop trowing that in all the time. Batman is not stupid or self-duluded enough to think he can win like that, it is not in his character.

You also forget that Batman is a master at creaping around and using shadows, once spideys scence is out of use Batman could creap up on him in the dead of night without him knowing it

Originally posted by who?-kid

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Well, to be honest, that's one of the reasons I think Batman is not realistic. Yeah I know, it's only a comic, sure, but still... even for a comic... the guy should have been dead long time ago, or at the very least crippled. But no, he still jumps and fights like the best athlete ever.

Spider-Man also has taken lots of damage/flesh wounds, but he has an excuse : he also possesses a healing factor. Batman doesn't.

Come on Batman is more realistic than Spider man. We are talking here about a guy who has been cloned, meared with a space simbeote, had at one time six arms, and was in posetion of Cosmic power (not once but twice) which made him unbelivebly powerful. I don't know about anyone else but for me I will take Batman over spider man for which is more realistic any day.