Originally posted by cosmicspidy9490
i agree with danzeke. spider-man acturally has powers. sences, super strength, more flexiblity, and hes just plan cooler. spier-man defeated the juggernaut and many other hard foes. spidy would defintly win.
Scene from JLA Vol 3 #1
Flash, GL, Wonder woman, Superman and J'onn (Martian Mariner) are in front of a huge view screen...
Flash - Is everybody here?
J'onn - Aquaman hasn't responded. We're still waiting for Batman
Flash - No surprises the...
Batman - I'm here
Batman in the shadows near the sealing with the wires....
Batman - I've been here for an hour.
Superman - Strange. I didn't hear your heartbeat.
Batman - (mumbels quitly) Gadget worked.
Scene from JLA Vol 3 #3
The whole of the JLA have been captured and are restrained (except for Batman who was not captured). Superman is being taunted by the leader of the group that has defeated the JLA.
Primaid - A-Mortal? What is it? What's wrong?
A-Mortal - I'm not sure. We've lost five defense drones on the upper levels. We should have made sure the Batman was dead. what if it's him?
Protex (Leader) - Batman? Don't be ridiculous. what can a pathetic fragile creature like Batman do to us?
A-Mortal - I'd like to be sure. It won't take long.
Couple of scenes later
Primaid - Something's wrong. A-Mortal hasn't reported back...
Tronix - Ohh. This Batman must be tougher than we think. I'd like to see how though.
Protex - This is insane! We must have a communications failure! A-Mortal's playing some kind of stupid joke! Batman! Batman! He's only a man!
Superman silently smiles as three more of them go after Batman...
Zenturion - I cam smell something but...
Tronix - Here. A-Mortal's last position was...
Fluxus - I thought you said the Batman had no super powers.
Tronix - (with a look of shock on her face) Oh. This isn't possible
A-Mortal is tied with a rope dangling from the ciling. He is out cold and has a note stuck to him saying "I know your secret"
Zenturion - Call Protex. Tell him we have a problem.
Couple of scenes later
Protex - Tronix! Fluxus! What's happening there? Zenturion! He's only one man!
Superman - (In a weak voice) He is the most dangerous man on Earth. Your plans are falling apart Protex...
Scene from JLA Vol 3 #4
The JLA finnaly get free and manage to fight back. Superman manages to take down the leader of the group while Green Lantern/Flash and Aquaman manage to defeat another two, finally Wonder Woman comes crashing down with the fourth one tied up with her whip.
Wonder Woman - Can't believe how long she held her breath up there.
Green Lantern - So how long can you hold your breath?
Wonder Woman - Obviously longer than Primaid. What a strange question. Why should anyone know how long they can hold their breath?
Batman - Three minutes, fifteen seconds. You'd be surprised why.
He comes in draging the four that were sent to capture him tied up behind him.
Green Lantern - Only four of'em, Batman? You're slowing down.
Qoets from DC characters about Batman
Superman - "He is the most dangerous man on Earth"
Green Lantern (Hal Jorden) - "I would rather face my worst enemy than meet him in a dark alley"
P.S Batman also created a red kryptonite variety that makes Kryptonian's skin transparent, while not effecting humans. This caused Superman's powers to increase to the point where he couldn't control them due to the unfiltered rays of our yellow sun going straight into him.
If he can create something that can stop Superman I think he can create something that can defeate Spiderman
wow what a thread i been reading all 30 pages. And by judging all the fact presented i would say Batman will win.
The reason for this is Batman has equipment he can use to catch Peter Parker off guard. Spider-man likes to crack jokes while playing with his opponents. Batman can suddenly burst a gas capsule in his face. 😉
The spider-sense will go off, but Batman's a tricky bastard enough that Parker will still catch some of it. Batman's surely the underdog in this fight, but you can't discount his superior strategic mind.
And people with Strategic thinking have won many wars because they have the ability to out think there opponents
Originally posted by Lenord
1. Of course Spidey is not JLA and it will be different, one of the reasons I picked the JLA for an example is that they are some of the best the DC universe has to offer. In defeating the JLA you see that Batmans battles are not defined by the powers of his adverseries but by the strenght of his intelect/strategy/cunning/focus and sheer determination. It would be easy to look at Batman, at his lack of super powers and his gadgets and say that he has no chance against spidey. But you would be wrong.
He does not know Spider-Man. Again, it's not as simple as you make it. Spider-Man is very fast, and very agile. When you see somebody like him fighting really fast and dodging various attacks, you don't automatically think => hey, a spider-sense.
You would just assume he's a fast fighter with good reflexes and sharp senses. And even IF you would figure out Spider-Man has a sixth sense, what kind of sense are we talking about ? It could be some kind of clairvoyance (predicting attacks by looking in the very near future). It also could be a radar-sense, like Daredevil. Or maybe Spider-Man has telepathic abilities, which allow him to read his opponents minds ? 2. Why would you think Batman would have a problem finding out everything he can about Spider man. Spidy has been around for over 10 years (Comic years not Real world) and he has been talking about his spider strength/speed/agility and scense to every villan who would listen as he is fighting them.
Not true. Most of times, he doesn't mention his spider-sense (he once said "Secrets have to stay secrets"😉. By now I am sure there are a number of articles written about him and his powers somewhere and I am sure all Batman needs to do is a bit of research to find out all he needs to know about him in order to win.
I really, really don't think there's an article about his spider-sense. Your average villain does not know about his spider-sense. Spider-Man has been friends with Torch for long years, and he only recently told him about his spider-sense, and only because he was having trouble with Venom. 3. I hate to burst your bubble but almost everyone has held out against the Hulk. I have read a number of the Hulk/Spidey encounters and almost all of them spidey wins by confusing or tricking the Hulk (which lets face it is not a hard thing to do).
Hm, it only proves Spider-Man can use his brains too. You have to, if you're facing the strongest person on Earth. 4. The reason I say that Batman will dectate the fight is because that is what he usually does, while spidey dives into a fight with his snipe remarks and spidy powers, it is what he usally does especailly when dealing with new enemies.
Yes true, but then again, he still manages to kick some ass (not all the time, sometimes it's his turn to bite the dust, just because he was stupid enough to jump in a fight without knowing what the hell was going on). 5 Nothing can be garanteed but the outcome of the fight will be more in favour of Batman than Spider man..
That's very debatable 😛. 6. When I talk about plans and traps I am talking about Batman coming up with a strategy to fight Spider man, not coming up with one plan or trap and depending on only that. I am talking about a coming up with strategies which he can build his plans around. So stop thinking about it as an elabourate trap Doc Ock might come up with. Batman comes up with strategies which he uses to counter his enemies skills and powers for a more level playing field.
True.7. People forget that Spider man for all his powers is still human and susseptible to a number of things. There are a number of things that can effect him, and you can bet that Batman will try and use them all.
There are also a number of things that can effect Batman. 8. In the end it comes down to Spideys powers or Batmans intelect, strategy, cunning, focus and sheer determination. I know which one my money will be on.
So do I.
I have the feeling we can try to convince each other until Kingdom come, but neither of us is going to change his mind. But at least you're not the "Batman is da Man and beats everybody no discussion"-kind of guy. Can't discuss something with those people.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Yes, but you forget that Batman knows the JLA extremely well. Batman is a control freak, he has information about everybody. He has fought together with the JLA for ages. He [b]knows these people.He does not know Spider-Man. Again, it's not as simple as you make it. Spider-Man is very fast, and very agile. When you see somebody like him fighting really fast and dodging various attacks, you don't automatically think => hey, a spider-sense.
You would just assume he's a fast fighter with good reflexes and sharp senses. And even IF you would figure out Spider-Man has a sixth sense, what kind of sense are we talking about ? It could be some kind of clairvoyance (predicting attacks by looking in the very near future). It also could be a radar-sense, like Daredevil. Or maybe Spider-Man has telepathic abilities, which allow him to read his opponents minds ?
Not true. Most of times, he doesn't mention his spider-sense (he once said "Secrets have to stay secrets"😉.
[B]
I really, really don't think there's an article about his spider-sense. Your average villain does not know about his spider-sense. Spider-Man has been friends with Torch for long years, and he only recently told him about his spider-sense, and only because he was having trouble with Venom.
Lately I have been reading the early spiderman comics, upto 250 of Amaznig Spiderman (found someone with old collections), and I tell you that about every 5 books (average) Spiderman mentions his spider sense when bad guys try to sneak up on him. He says stuff like "Hasn't anyone told you, you cant sneak on a guy with spider senses" and stuff like that. Seriously his spider sense is not much of a secreat, there have even been villans that have used his spider sense to get his attention. It is not the big secreat you think it is.
And since spiderman has all the powers of a spider it is not too far fatched to assume that Batman will figure out that he has some sort of a danger sensor like some spiders do. And once he figures that out all he has to do is look at nature and see how other animals overcome or avoid setting of this abilities in nature and duplicate them. That is the beauty of nature, for every gift it gives to one creature, it gives a way to nutralise it to another.
By the way he might not have told torch but he has told others like Iron man and Punisher a long time ago so I don't know how Torch does not know. You forget that Spiderman was part of the Avengers for a while and was also part of the new Fantastic Four with Hulk, Wolverine & Ghost Rider, so I dont know why lots of people wont know about his spider sense. It is wishful thinking to say that people don't know of his abilities (it would be a first for a super hero that has been on this long). So please no more of the "Batman can't find out about Spidey's spider sense" approach.
spiders dont have a danger sensor, and their flur is not that sensitive, actualy the spider-sense comes from flyes sense, how u think batman will figure that out?
he only tell thugs ,who are dumb enough for the information, about spider sense and else who would take him srious since he plays all the time?^and some villain had a suspicious about his "unique" avoiding abilty , doctor octopus even almost foud out about spider sense, ALMOST , and put batman into octopus brain level,cant compare can u?
i know batman is also a genious.but man he is a DETECTIVE, and he dont have track to lead to what may be this spider sense or as who is it, has mention how it works, i also meantioned that ,but i think no one understood me.🙁
Okay, let’s summarize what he have this far :
IF Batman is able to spot Spider-Man without Spider-Man knowing it (not very likely), and IF Batman manages to follow Spider-Man, and IF Batman sees Spider-Man fighting some villain, and IF Batman immediately decides Spider-Man must have a spider-sense (very unlikely), and IF Batman returns to the batcave and reads some books on spiders, and IF Batman comes up with a way of neutralizing this spider-sense, and IF he manages to lure Spider-Man into a trap, and IF Spider-Man is stupid enough to fall for it and IF the trap works perfectly and IF Batman is smart enough to hold some distance from Spider-Man, well, what do you know, Batman has neutralized his spider-sense.
So ?? Spider-Man is much more than his spider-sense. He has faced stronger opponents without his spider-sense. Or are you going to tell me that Batman will also find a way to neutralize Spider-Man’s reflexes ? Jumping ability ? Wall crawling ability ? Durability ? Strength ?
Lot’s of ifs, if you ask me. Lots and lots of ifs…
Now, here is my scenario, you will notice it’s much more simple and realistic 🙂.
First fight : Spider-Man meets Batman, and for some (stupid) reason, they start fighting. Spider-Man easily avoids all of Batman attacks, and hits Batman once, and down he goes (the bat, not the Spider).
Second fight : this time Batman is prepared, he’s not dumb and he knows a bit about the fighting style of Spider-Man and his spider-sense. He disables the spider-sense, but it doesn’t matter, because Spider-Man is still too strong, tough and fast. Another defeat for Batman.
Third fight : this time Batman is really angry. He studied, prepared and read everything there is to know about Spider-Man. He disables his spider-sense (again), his jumping ability, his wall crawling ability and dissolves his web. Spider-Man still is too tough for Batman, too fast and too strong. Again, Batman loses.
Fourth fight : well, maybe, Batman could have this one. But before anybody shouts “You see, I knew in the end Bats could do it”, just one little remark : he bit the dust three times. That’s a lot.
Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
spiders dont have a danger sensor, and their flur is not that sensitive, actualy the spider-sense comes from flyes sense, how u think batman will figure that out?
he only tell thugs ,who are dumb enough for the information, about spider sense and else who would take him srious since he plays all the time?^and some villain had a suspicious about his "unique" avoiding abilty , doctor octopus even almost foud out about spider sense, ALMOST , and put batman into octopus brain level,cant compare can u?
i know batman is also a genious.but man he is a DETECTIVE, and he dont have track to lead to what may be this spider sense or as who is it, has mention how it works, i also meantioned that ,but i think no one understood me.🙁
From what I understand Stan Lee came up with the Spider sense from the fact that some spiders have millions of tiny hairs all over thier legs and body that are very sensetive to very minute changes in air current and vibrations. Using this they are able to scence or become amare of any thing that tries to creep up on them (I just refer to it as danger sensor because that might be what Batman sees it as). Actaully it is not only to thugs he boasts to, though most of the time that is the case. Even if it is just to thugs he maintunes his spider sense, if he maintunes it enough times it is bound to get around in the underworld or media.
Even Misterio figured out about his spider sense and he mixed some gases into his mist to confuse his spider sence (spiderman managed to beat him by getting out of the mist and beating him from the outside where his spidersense was not affected). I am sorry but if Misterio can find out about his spider sense and come up with a counter agent ( and this was early on in spidermans carrer ) then I think that Batman can also do it.
Doc Ock is a Physistis, and there is where his a genius, that does not make him good at deducting things out. As you mentioned Batman is a brilliant detective and the man does his research. What strikes me about Batman is that Bruce Wayne is a cover for Batman, what I mean by this is that 80-90 % of his life is dedicated to Batman. The guy is driven and miticules and will follow every lead he has until he knows everything there is to know about spiderman. He will chase every thug that has fought with spiderman for information if he has to. I am sure he will find out about his spider sense soon enough.
Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
after being crushed 3 times how u think hes gona win the fourth with his bones like (jely/gely)?
You don't know jack-shit about spidey! Spider-man doesn't kill or seriously hurt people if he can avoid it, duh.
But batman... oh... batman LOVES to hurt people. So he will hit spider-man with the batmobile. Mmmmmm. Roadkill.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Okay, let’s summarize what he have this far :IF Batman is able to spot Spider-Man without Spider-Man knowing it (not very likely), and IF Batman manages to follow Spider-Man, and IF Batman sees Spider-Man fighting some villain, and IF Batman immediately decides Spider-Man must have a spider-sense (very unlikely), and IF Batman returns to the batcave and reads some books on spiders, and IF Batman comes up with a way of neutralizing this spider-sense, and IF he manages to lure Spider-Man into a trap, and IF Spider-Man is stupid enough to fall for it and IF the trap works perfectly and IF Batman is smart enough to hold some distance from Spider-Man, well, what do you know, Batman has neutralized his spider-sense.
So ?? Spider-Man is much more than his spider-sense. He has faced stronger opponents without his spider-sense. Or are you going to tell me that Batman will also find a way to neutralize Spider-Man’s reflexes ? Jumping ability ? Wall crawling ability ? Durability ? Strength ?
Lot’s of ifs, if you ask me. Lots and lots of ifs…
Now, here is my scenario, you will notice it’s much more simple and realistic 🙂.
[b]First fight
: Spider-Man meets Batman, and for some (stupid) reason, they start fighting. Spider-Man easily avoids all of Batman attacks, and hits Batman once, and down he goes (the bat, not the Spider).
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When Batman sees that he can avoid his moves why not just set of his smoke grenade/capsule (he carries one) and make is escape while spiderman is off balance. You forget that Spidey likes to taunt and play with his opponents (especially first encounters) and does not end fights quickly while Batman can quickly assess an oponents capability and while spidey is all relaxed and confident when he relises that Batman is not very though Batman can through his Batblade at Spidey and while he doges that he can set of his smoke grenade and make a quick escape while spidey recoverse from the smoke attack.
Originally posted by who?-kid
[b]Second fight : this time Batman is prepared, he’s not dumb and he knows a bit about the fighting style of Spider-Man and his spider-sense. He disables the spider-sense, but it doesn’t matter, because Spider-Man is still too strong, tough and fast. Another defeat for Batman.
[/B]
ehhh... I dont think that Batman is going to go to the troble of disabling his spider sense and then go for a frontal attack. What would be the point of that, he would just be trowing away the advantage he just gained. It is more likely that after disabling his spider sense he would sneak up on him and use sleeping gas or some such device to bring him down. Or if he tried for a frontal assult somewhere during the fight he would pretend to flee and lead spiderman to a prepared trap or something, which spiderman would not be suspisous of because his spider sense is disabled.
Originally posted by who?-kid
[b]Third fight : this time Batman is really angry. He studied, prepared and read everything there is to know about Spider-Man. He disables his spider-sense (again), his jumping ability, his wall crawling ability and dissolves his web. Spider-Man still is too tough for Batman, too fast and too strong. Again, Batman loses.
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Batman doesnt get angry that easly, besides which Batman doesn't do things half-hartedly. He would do a through research the first time round and would have come up with a way to dissolve his web at that time, or any other thing that he comes up with will be done the first time round.
Besides which this fight would never take place, spiderman looses the second fight, and Batman would have solved any missunderstanding before spiderman can recover from his defeate (wake up from sleeping gas or escape trap or whatever).
Originally posted by who?-kid
[b]Fourth fight : well, maybe, Batman could have this one. But before anybody shouts “You see, I knew in the end Bats could do it”, just one little remark : he bit the dust three times. That’s a lot. [/B]
Batman would have won it in the second round not the fourth. By this time Batman would be back in his batcave following the latest leads on one of his other enemies.
You have to admit that this a more likely result that your suggestion.
it all comes down to 3 thigns
1: location if it,s in new yrk the fight will more likely be easier for spidey because bruce will have to repeatedly use the bat grapple to catch up with spidey and all that swinging will eventually tire him out effectifly leavingh im wide open or spidey
if spidey is in gotham though then batman has got more of a chance because he can blend in with the shadows (as he ussualy does) and then gain a sneak attack spidey still has a chance if bruce hasn,t disabled his spider sense
2: rep- batman is a sign of fear near enough every gotham villain fears him (except for the joker) wheras spiderman doesn,t give off the smae fear of batman(thatyoure going to be killedbecause or some reason batman brings peole to think of deaht ) but the fear of being caught
3: powers spiderman has level 10 strengh (enough to lift up a fire truck) super speed increased jumping ability a high iq and the ability to create webs (it doesn't mtter if there orgainc or not) wheras batman has regularstrengh regualr speecd high iq and gadgets now in my eyes all the evidence would ether make it lean to spidey or possibly a draw there all the facts
Originally posted by grey fox
it all comes down to 3 thigns1: location if it,s in new yrk the fight will more likely be easier for spidey because bruce will have to repeatedly use the bat grapple to catch up with spidey and all that swinging will eventually tire him out effectifly leavingh im wide open or spidey
if spidey is in gotham though then batman has got more of a chance because he can blend in with the shadows (as he ussualy does) and then gain a sneak attack spidey still has a chance if bruce hasn,t disabled his spider sense
Ahhh... There are lots of shadowy dark areas in NY as well, we are not talking about Metropolis where it seems that every street corner is brightly lit. As for Batman swinging after Spidey, I don't think he would do that, instead he would make Spidey come to him.
Originally posted by grey fox
2: rep- batman is a sign of fear near enough every gotham villain fears him (except for the joker) wheras spiderman doesn,t give off the smae fear of batman(thatyoure going to be killedbecause or some reason batman brings peole to think of deaht ) but the fear of being caught
It is the whole black, bat motif, it instils a sense of fear. Also Batman is very good at creeping up on people, he glides silently out of dark shadows like death and he is upon you before you relies it. He could be standing behind you and you wouldn’t know it until he was ready for you to know. There is nothing more frightening that someone who can come out of any dark shadow and be on top of you before you know it.
Now spidy with his wise cracks and bright costumes is not really that frightening.
Originally posted by grey fox
3: powers spiderman has level 10 strengh (enough to lift up a fire truck) super speed increased jumping ability a high iq and the ability to create webs (it doesn't mtter if there orgainc or not) wheras batman has regularstrengh regualr speecd high iq and gadgets now in my eyes all the evidence would ether make it lean to spidey or possibly a draw there all the facts
Peter might have a high IQ but that does not mean much when he has let it go mostly to waste. Because of all his hero work he has not been able to do as much studying as he should have and while he is smart he does not have the same education that Batman has received, so people please stop thinking that IQ is all that matters, because without the education to back it up it is not a lot of use. How far did Parker get in his education (I know that he is a science teacher now) and what subject did he study in.
Batman has gone to the best schools the world has to offer in science and has also been thought by the best at psychology/criminal behaviour/forensic and criminology. He has also been schooled in strategies among other things.
Spidey doesn’t have the edge needed to beat Batman.
without prep time Bat's goes down simple as that.
fighting ability is like comparing Steven Segal to Bolo Young
nothing against Bat's, he is one of the best fighter's in the world. but Spiderman can make the entire Xmen look like clown's.
Can Bat's take the JLA on the drop of a hat? can he take a single member? besides Aquaman of course.
creeping up on Spiderman? not going to happen, ever.