Spider-Man vs Batman

Originally posted by Lenord
Of course nobody has defeated him completly, after all it is his name on the comic book so I hardly think anyone is likely to defeate him completely.

Also batman would never fight spiderman in a straight out bare fist fight so stop trowing that in all the time.

You make the mistake by thinking Batman is the ultimate mastermind and Spider-Man is just a young and naive fool, and Batman decides for 100 % on the fighting circumstances. Not true. In the end, it always comes down on a fistfight, and then, my friend, Batman will lose.

You also forget that Batman is a master at creaping around and using shadows, once spideys scence is out of use Batman could creap up on him in the dead of night without him knowing it

The moment Spider-Man sees Batman, he jumps to him (1,5 seconds ?) and starts cleaning the floor with him. Don't forget Spider-Man only needs one punch.

Originally posted by Lenord
Come on Batman is more realistic than Spider man. We are talking here about a guy who has been cloned, meared with a space simbeote, had at one time six arms, and was in posetion of Cosmic power (not once but twice) which made him unbelivebly powerful. I don't know about anyone else but for me I will take Batman over spider man for which is more realistic any day.

1. Batman is more realistic because he's just a mortal human. No superpowers, no mystical abilities, just a man. Spider-Man, on the other hand, has lots of powers, so he's of course not as realistic as Batman. True. But ...!!

2. Spider-Man has a much more realistic personality. Batman is cold and shows few emotions. Batman is always prepared (in real life, nobody is), doesn't make stupid mistakes (or not much), always acts very seriously, doesn't cut himself while shaving, knows everything there is to know (yeah right), is a brilliant scientist, inventor, the best detective in the world, one of the best martial arts fighters, member of the JLA, runs a very big company and fights crime as Batman. Does that man ever sleep ?

Spider-Man is just a person, like you and me. He makes stupid mistakes, can be very naive, or clumsy, likes to laugh (with others but also with himself), repairs his own costumes (if he has time), is most of times broke, has trouble with the ladies, works for an angry boss, has trouble paying the rent, doubts himself...

Personality-like, Spider-Man is waaaay more realistic than Batman.

spiderman can bench press 10 tons. he could kill batman with one punch, but he pulls his punches.

batman is just a real person with no powers, just wits (like spiderman), and his equiptment.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, it depends entirely on your point of view. I'll explain :

2. Spider-Man has a much more realistic personality. Batman is cold and shows few emotions. Batman is always prepared (in real life, nobody is), doesn't make stupid mistakes (or not much), always acts very seriously, doesn't cut himself while shaving, knows everything there is to know (yeah right), is a brilliant scientist, inventor, the best detective in the world, one of the best martial arts fighters, member of the JLA, runs a very big company and fights crime as Batman. Does that man ever sleep ?

Spider-Man is just a person, like you and me. He makes stupid mistakes, can be very naive, or clumsy, likes to laugh (with others but also with himself), repairs his own costumes (if he has time), is most of times broke, has trouble with the ladies, works for an angry boss, has trouble paying the rent, doubts himself...

Personality-like, Spider-Man is waaaay more realistic than Batman.

Just because Batman is cold and shows few emotions does not make him less realistic, it makes him more so. You have to understand that he watched his parents gun down in front of him while he was a kid and after that he has tended to close of the rest of the world so that he would not get hurt again (which is a very probable and realistic reaction).

He does not know everything, he is just a brilliant crimenology and detective and he tends to do a whole lot of research on his enemies and friends (he keeps a record of scenarios for defeating his enemies and even his fellow heros in case they go bad). He is a very organised indevidual who likes to be prepared for everything almost to the point of obsession at some points in my opinion. But this all stems from the fact that as a kid he felt helpless and unprepared when his parents were shot and does not what to feel that way again.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Very true, but you forget the same goes for Batman.
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I won't, because for some reason, you think Batman is going to sit in his favorite chair and push some buttons (activating trap, throwing bombs, those kinds of things). Trying to fight Spider-Man almost always comes down, eventually, at fighting Spider-Man mano a mano. That's a fact.

You make the mistake by thinking Batman is the ultimate mastermind and Spider-Man is just a young and naive fool, and Batman decides for 100 % on the fighting circumstances. Not true. In the end, it always comes down on a fistfight, and then, my friend, Batman will lose.
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Ok, again, let's all assume Batman plans work, and Spider-Man has no spider-sense anymore ? So ?? Big deal, if you ask me.
The moment Spider-Man sees Batman, he jumps to him (1,5 seconds ?) and starts cleaning the floor with him. Don't forget Spider-Man only needs one punch.

Now this a very likely scenario and would work (god knows he has fallen for worse traps). Now this is something I came up with and I am sure Batman could come up with something even better. Every one assumes that some how this will be a fist fight, and if it was Spidey would win with both his hands tied behind his back, But when Batman is involved it is very rearly as simple as two people fighting with thier fist until one gets knocked out. Batman wins....

Man, this is an impossible thread.

Originally posted by Duke
Man, this is an impossible thread.

The problem is that most people dont understand Batman. They all assume that he would go toe to toe with spiderman and so they reason spidey will win. If that happened then yea I will concede that spidey will win, but that is not the way Batman fights.

For me in the end the winner will be the one who dectates the terms of the fight and that will be Batman. Peter is a smart guy but most of his brilliance is towards physics/chemistry/electronics not towards strategic warfare which is what Batman excels in. For this reason I think he will end up winning.

I think we have to agree to disagree 🙂.

leonard if u are aware of spiderman comics, u will understand that spiderman do use his brains to lure enemy as wells as batman,so what would ,make spiderman go to a empty place and not think batman maybe around? batman cannot lure spidersense in the meaing of disable it, what goblin acomplish was to use a gas to lure it, cos spider sense always had problem with gas, what i think its a great excuse since gas is molecules to instable and everywhere ,the only one to disable spidersense is venom, not even carnage knows how to do it. so thats why i said before the only way batman wins spiderman is stealing venom simbio.(how he gonna do that ??,i dont know .but as u claim batman do everything,can everthing, theres no objection he will achieve his goal).
althoug u have posted some good points about batman not being a fan boy, spiderman will win, be by force,by speed, cos in fight way he is as instructed as batman, and about batman dirty tricks...man be real spiderman been facing such tricks since the moment he was concept.
so the fact is spiderman will win.
the only reason batman find out about spidersense is if spider throws him a spider tracer.IF only if batman finds this tracer

Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
leonard if u are aware of spiderman comics, u will understand that spiderman do use his brains to lure enemy as wells as batman,so what would ,make spiderman go to a empty place and not think batman maybe around? batman cannot lure spidersense in the meaing of disable it, what goblin acomplish was to use a gas to lure it, cos spider sense always had problem with gas, what i think its a great excuse since gas is molecules to instable and everywhere ,the only one to disable spidersense is venom, not even carnage knows how to do it. so thats why i said before the only way batman wins spiderman is stealing venom simbio.(how he gonna do that ??,i dont know .but as u claim batman do everything,can everthing, theres no objection he will achieve his goal).
althoug u have posted some good points about batman not being a fan boy, spiderman will win, be by force,by speed, cos in fight way he is as instructed as batman, and about batman dirty tricks...man be real spiderman been facing such tricks since the moment he was concept.
so the fact is spiderman will win.
the only reason batman find out about spidersense is if spider throws him a spider tracer.IF only if batman finds this tracer

Sure spider man sets traps from time to time but usually he just attacks head on. Green goblin and Venom are not the only ones who have managed to desable his spider sense and I don't think it is beyound Batman to figure out how to do it.

Spiderman depends on his spider sense too much and even if he suspects a trap he will still go in beliving his spider sense would warn him of any danger and that will be all the edge Batman would need. As for Batman finding about spidermans spider sense it should be easy to find out since he bosts about it to almost every one who tries to sneak up on him, so it must be in the general media by now and all he has to do is a little research to find out about it.
In the end Batman will come out on top. To tell the truth if they ever fight I hope Spider man wins but I dont think he will.

u didnt understand what i meant, let me try to be clear lenonard.
its sure to batman knows spidersense, since all the badguys have problem to sneak into spiderman,unless they are to fast or spidey have other troubles in mind(like protecting civilians what comes in first place,or dodging bullets,or closer enemies),but KNOWING EXISTENCE, doesnt mean knowing how to disable,since he got no clue if its supernatural or phisical, u get what i mean? venom disabled it cos the simbio was related to parker and know how spidersense works since its organic process, and goblin found out EVENTUALLY, he used one chemical formula and discovered it made spiderman less reflective,so he found out about spiderman sense and how to disable it.
and for spiderman going most on mano a mano is simply becouse his enemy are much stronger,or powerfulls than him,so even if he set a trap, so what ?
they would get off it. so what he maily does is luring them with his agility set a quick trap and knock them off ,by hand or using their weakness, some example of spiderman traping enemies is sand man, hidro, doctor octopus, and lizard, cos if he dont go on mano a mano he wont survive but to beat them he must set a trap that will eventually get them on their weakness. so they are on this point even.

tell me a batman weakness? he done have ! execpt in relation to spiderman whos is faster and stronger. so he loses
tell me a spiderman weakness? he dont have! spider sense is not a weakness, cos parker learned in those year to not only trust on his spidersense since its not fail proof.
(i remember he entering a trap due to spidersense) and his reflexes are not bonded to spider sense, what happens is that spidersense auto moves his body , but mainly he is controling his body not being aware of it.
just like u walk, u dont think into walk all the time. have i being clear enough on my point now? even by you not agreeing with it?

Yea... I think we have to agree to disagree as well...

Do you guys not know who Batman is and what he is capable of? In the end I think Batman's record speaks for its self. This is a man who defeated the whole of the JLA on his own. The JLA consists of some of the strongest heros in the DC universe (Superman, Greenlanter, Martian, flash.....) and he kicked all thier ass. Now in a comic book hero almost always defeat villans so listing the number of villans that a hero defeats is next to useless, but a hero defeating another hero is there to show the readers who the writers think is the better one, and DC since to think that Batman can take down the JLA so who am I to argue.

And it is not only this once that they try to show us how dangerous Batman is. In another issue some villan managed to get into Batmans computer and stole some plans/strategies on how to defeat the JLA members and manged to use it against them. They were almost defeated but Batman finally found out what was happening and helped them to beat his own strategies and saved the day.

I have lost count of the numer of times when the JLA were on the brink of defeate and Batman saves the day. A perfect example of these is "JLA New World Order" where the whole JLA is almost defeated until Batman comes to the rescue. Out of the 8 enemies that defeated the JLA, Superman manages to defeat 1, Flash and Lantern bring down 1, Aquaman defeats 1, Wonder Woman defeated 1 and Batman beat the reast (that is 4 for those who cant count).

This is the man you guys think spider man can defeat with such ease. The man who people refer to as the most dangerous man on earth. The man who superman gave a Kriptonite ring to because he knows that if he were to go bad only Batman has what it takes to defeat him. And you think that spiderman can defeate him. Let him go and defeate the Avengers singlehanded first and then he can come and challenge Batman.
Everyone assumes that Batman would be the underdog here but the fact is that it is Spider man who is at a disadvantage and in the end he will end up losing.

Very impressive, but everybody knows the things Batman is capable of. Never said he wasn’t impressive, because he IS.

But, you’re comparing apples and oranges:

1. Spider-Man is not the JLA. You do have a point when you say that anybody who can take down the JLA, also can defeat Spider-Man. Sounds logical, I agree, but it isn’t. Spider-Man, you see, isn’t the JLA. It will be a whole other fight, other powers to be dealt with for Batman, other circumstances.

Don’t forget Batman knew the JLA very well, he had detailed files about everybody and everything. He knew who they were, how they fought… everything. Do you really think he will come up with a detailed Spider-Man file ? It will be something like ”Strong fast dude, tough, can climb walls, damn hard to hit (radar sense ?) and jumps very high”.

Too little information to win a fight.

2. Second, you forget that Spider-Man also has done his share of impressive stuff. He held his own against the Hulk more than once, defeated Juggernaut and beat up Firelord and Titania (two extremely strong and tough people) with his bare hands, no preptime !

3. Third, you make the mistake that you assume that it will be only Batman (and nobody else) who will dictate the fight… Says who ? Spider-Man also has a habit of dictating a fight.

4. You also assume the plans of Batman will work perfectly. Because they mostly do, and when they don't, he sure has a back-up plan.

Now, can you guarantee me his plan will work ? No. Can you guarantee me Spider-Man will not spot Batman and jump to him (and when he does that, it's game over for Batman) ? No.

Can I guarantee that so-called death traps, brilliant plans and so on never have truly worked against Spider-Man ? Yes. Can I guarantee that Spider-Man is stronger, tougher and faster ? Yes. Can I guarantee that it in lots of times it comes down to a fistfight ? No, but like I said, most of times, it does.

you guys all forget this versus is suposed to be, a random enconter where one beserkes on another so spiderman WILL ALWAYS WIN<BAT FANBOY. who cares about JLA they suck!
as meantioned spiderman beated hulk more than once, titania a plentey of times, FIRELORD!!!!!!you think batman all might intelligence can predict spiderman?
he couldnt even predict carnage steps,cos he couldnt use logical on it, how u think he will logically interpret a ricochet guy?
get off this "but he beated.........." cos it takes to no where.
batman loses its a fact , but if it makes u happy spiderman will have a tough time dealing with batman
not to tell the first oportunity spidey has, he will pull batman belt, so what will batman be? DEAD

and dont come telling that many tryied this but received a electrical discharge, cos spiderman received more from electro and enguia to light a small city. So if u dont have valid argument, SHUT UP WITH THIS FANBOY S#IT

Leonard is right AND makes sense.Batman will win.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Very impressive, but everybody knows the things Batman is capable of. Never said he wasn’t impressive, because he IS.

But, you’re comparing apples and oranges:

1. Spider-Man is not the JLA. You do have a point when you say that anybody who can take down the JLA, also can defeat Spider-Man. Sounds logical, I agree, but it isn’t. Spider-Man, you see, isn’t the JLA. It will be a whole other fight, other powers to be dealt with for Batman, other circumstances.

Don’t forget Batman knew the JLA very well, he had detailed files about everybody and everything. He knew who they were, how they fought… everything. Do you really think he will come up with a detailed Spider-Man file ? It will be something like ”Strong fast dude, tough, can climb walls, damn hard to hit (radar sense ?) and jumps very high”.

Too little information to win a fight.

2. Second, you forget that Spider-Man also has done his share of impressive stuff. He held his own against the Hulk more than once, defeated Juggernaut and beat up Firelord and Titania (two extremely strong and tough people) with his bare hands, no preptime !

3. Third, you make the mistake that you assume that it will be only Batman (and nobody else) who will dictate the fight… Says who ? Spider-Man also has a habit of dictating a fight.

4. You also assume the plans of Batman will work perfectly. Because they mostly do, and when they don't, he sure has a back-up plan.

Now, can you guarantee me his plan will work ? No. Can you guarantee me Spider-Man will not spot Batman and jump to him (and when he does that, it's game over for Batman) ? No.

Can I guarantee that so-called death traps, brilliant plans and so on never have truly worked against Spider-Man ? Yes. Can I guarantee that Spider-Man is stronger, tougher and faster ? Yes. Can I guarantee that it in lots of times it comes down to a fistfight ? No, but like I said, most of times, it does.

1. Of course Spidey is not JLA and it will be different, one of the reasons I picked the JLA for an example is that they are some of the best the DC universe has to offer. In defeating the JLA you see that Batmans battles are not defined by the powers of his adverseries but by the strenght of his intelect/strategy/cunning/focus and sheer determination. It would be easy to look at Batman, at his lack of super powers and his gadgets and say that he has no chance against spidey. But you would be wrong.

2. Why would you think Batman would have a problem finding out everything he can about Spider man. Spidy has been around for over 10 years (Comic years not Real world) and he has been talking about his spider strength/speed/agility and scense to every villan who would listen as he is fighting them. By now I am sure there are a number of articles written about him and his powers somewhere and I am sure all Batman needs to do is a bit of research to find out all he needs to know about him in order to win.

3. I hate to burst your bubble but almost everyone has held out against the Hulk. I have read a number of the Hulk/Spidey encounters and almost all of them spidey wins by confusing or tricking the Hulk (which lets face it is not a hard thing to do).

4. The reason I say that Batman will dectate the fight is because that is what he usually does, while spidey dives into a fight with his snipe remarks and spidy powers, it is what he usally does especailly when dealing with new enemies.

5. Nothing can be garanteed but the outcome of the fight will be more in favour of Batman than Spider man.

6. When I talk about plans and traps I am talking about Batman coming up with a strategy to fight Spider man, not coming up with one plan or trap and depending on only that. I am talking about a coming up with strategies which he can build his plans around. So stop thinking about it as an elabourate trap Doc Ock might come up with. Batman comes up with strategies which he uses to counter his enemies skills and powers for a more level playing field.

7. People forget that Spider man for all his powers is still human and susseptible to a number of things. There are a number of things that can effect him, and you can bet that Batman will try and use them all.

8. In the end it comes down to Spideys powers or Batmans intelect, strategy, cunning, focus and sheer determination. I know which one my money will be on.

Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
you guys all forget this versus is suposed to be, a random enconter where one beserkes on another so spiderman WILL ALWAYS WIN<BAT FANBOY. who cares about JLA they suck!

No one said it was going to be a random enconter where one beserkes on another, that is just something that someone came up with somewhere along the way to help spiderman win the match.

Just because you don't like JLA does not make them shit, they are a powerful group containing some of DC's most powerful heroes.

you think batman all might intelligence can predict spiderman?
he couldnt even predict carnage steps,cos he couldnt use logical on it, how u think he will logically interpret a ricochet guy?
get off this "but he beated.........." cos it takes to no where.

Spidey can sometimes be easy to predict, god knows he has been led into a number of traps because he was so predictable.

I can't understand what you are tring to say about Carnage or what you mean by ricochet guy.

The reason I keep mentioning the people he has beaten is because most people assume that Batman is weak because he has no super powers so the only way I can show what he is capable of is by demostrating what he has managed to accomplish.

batman loses its a fact , but if it makes u happy spiderman will have a tough time dealing with batman
not to tell the first oportunity spidey has, he will pull batman belt, so what will batman be? DEAD

and dont come telling that many tryied this but received a electrical discharge, cos spiderman received more from electro and enguia to light a small city. So if u dont have valid argument, SHUT UP WITH THIS FANBOY S#IT

See this is what I mean. You think "oh.. look Batman he has no powers, he only has his bat belt and some gadgets, he has no chance against Spiderman"

This just betrays how little you know about Batman, unless you know what both Spiderman and Batman are capable of you should not make remarks like that. In the end you are the one who ends up looking like a FANBOY. I have stated before that I like both Spidey and Batman (In fact I read more Spiderman than Batman) so I think that my opinion is less bias than yours.

Originally posted by Lenord
2. Why would you think Batman would have a problem finding out everything he can about Spider man. Spidy has been around for over 10 years (Comic years not Real world) and he has been talking about his spider strength/speed/agility and scense to every villan who would listen as he is fighting them. By now I am sure there are a number of articles written about him and his powers somewhere and I am sure all Batman needs to do is a bit of research to find out all he needs to know about him in order to win.
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And exactly, what do expect the articles to have on him? And even if there were anything on Spider-Man's abilities, how do you figure that Batman will find a way to manipulate his powers against him? I do believe you are over estimating Batman's true intellect. The point here is that Spider-Man is not so easily swamped. There has been several cases when he was pushed to the limit that he was forced to unleash his inner strength and that could be a determining factor in just about any fight.