the anomaly occurs due to an unbalancing of his equation for the matrix.If 1% of those born in the pods reject the matrix,at the subconcious level,the unbalancing still exists.I almost got the impression that the machines were allowing the free humans to remove the problem until free humans became to big a problem in the real world.Hence the destruction of Zion and then the rebuilding.
Originally posted by sargoth7
eh...if this is the place for opinions, then i'm half agreeing with darkvirus. most of the points were answered, but some answers were just too big a leap to accept. like, for example, how neo could "sense" the machines in the real world, and destroy them. it just didn't make any sense. beyond the philosophical view perhaps...but what happened to that? as well as i could see, this movie was a big action deal, sandwiched between some random dialogue and matrix fights. also, i thought the zion war was a little too overplayed for a matrix movie. i always thought these movies were above the level of most modern action films, but this giant war scene proved that point wrong. another disappointment was the super burly brawl. maybe just because we've seen it all before, but it just seemed a little too dull or too over-the-top. like when they crashed 50 feet into the concrete and got up and fought some more. and finally, the ending seemed a little corny. yay! the sunset is happy! people and machine are friends! i hope there are no more episodes, but i think that if we would all put our heads together, we could come up with a MUCH better plot to end these films.
as it stands, a good movie for those who like action stuff. everyone else, stay home and eat applesause. or whatever.
If you payed attention ... (I forget who said it) but... it was said that "the powers of the one extend past the matrix" if it was because he did not fully understand his real world powers that he was able to stop the sentienals...and not kill himself. If he knew how he was doing it, it would have killed him.
If I could just try and clear a few things up.....
Smith was just a program in M1, but when Neo entered him, he left the one code behind.
This never happened before in any previous matrix.
Smith was uncontrollable by anyone, oracle, architect or any program.
If left unchecked, he would have destroyed the Matrix killing all humans and machines.
The end of the film was the only real ending they could give it.
What would you prefer? Neo defeating the machines and therefore killing the entire(99.9%) of the human race? Every pod switching off. They had to have the Matrix still going at the end to keep all the humans alive.
They can now (humans in Matrix) choose to leave slowly over time as the architect said. Try helping 6 billion people out of their pods at the same time......
Neo saved both machines and humans, the machines will honour the peace. Any other film would be boring, machines and humans leaving in peace, exciting.....
I think this was an inspired ending that wrapped everything up with no need for any more films.
And on the subject of clapping after films??? What??! Get a grip, do you clap infront of the TV too after a really good episode of the shiled or something?
sorry for YET ANOTHER flame, but i really need to vent...
i saw the movie last night and like some ppl on this forum, was hugely disappointed... darkvirus, your first thread on this topic resonates with me all the way. it wasn't disappointing b/c because i had high expectations; rather, it was because as i was watching the movie, i had a sinking suspicion that the brothers basically pandered to the lowest common denominator and made the movie for ppl who simply didn't care about the thought provoking aspects of the Matrix concept - in other words, they made it with mass appeal in mind ($$$). with questions looming in my mind after seeing the ending, i knew they gave considerably less attention and devotion to the die hard Matrix fans (like us) who really give a shit... the unoriginality of this 3rd movie really was galling.
i personally had low expectations going into it, esp. after seeing the MTV premiere clip which was nothing more than recycled action sequences taken from the previous 2 movies - i mean, how many times has trinity done that asinine 'karate kid in the air kick' or that off the wall flip? as many ppl have mentioned, the fight sequence between neo and smith (which was the supposed highlight of the film - i couldn't believe ppl in my theatre were actually clapping at the start of this sequence!) was lifted directly from DragonBall Z. the brothers' attempt at continuing the smooth running subtleties that were replete in M1/M2 came to an abrupt halt when we find neo at the Mobil Ave train station. gee w. brothers, can you trick me into thinking it's just the name of the station? - Mobil, as everyone probably surmised, is an anagram for Limbo.
finally, and even more disturbing, is the fact that so many questions were raised rather than put to rest. it's exactly how software companies patch their existing products with updates, yet the updates themselves cause additional problems... exception being that this was DELIBERATE and PREMEDITATED. to sum up: the brothers completely dropped the ball and totally f**ked up the franchise with this last movie. just MHO...
i dont think they ****ed up, but i think the qaulity will really be piss-poor for whatever comes next, hopefully the w-bros will think of something
Rumours of a Seraph game sound cool as well, a sort of prequal... (take note to what mero says to him, i THINK)
anywho, just a rumour, sounds cool 🙂 fighting as seraph 🙂
after seeing the film although like quite a lot of other people was rather disappointed i was suprised at how many people seemed to be saying neo was dead all those who were infected with the smith virus turned back to their old selves Sati, the Oracle and Seraph all you see is the removal of neo from the matrix and him lying on the back of a ship nowhere does it say he is dead. has any1 also noticed this or was i asleep by the end because the smith neo fight seen was boring and missed soemthing vital...
First of all i would like to say thanks to everyone who has supported my opinion's and backed up their own in this thread.
Let's show them all, like I stated before, the rabbit hole went as deep as reloaded and then the rabbit crapped on us in revolutions.
Honestly I feel disgusted wasting my time arguing on how bad of a disappointment this movie was, I wanted to sit here in front of you all and say "oh man what a movie, it met all my expectations and blew them away" but, I am not going to defend the Wac. Br. for ruining what could have been the best trilogy of our time. Reloaded had me second guessing LOTR and Star Wars not anymore. I cant' believe that die hard matrix fans would swallow this watered down installment.
Ppl have more questions coming out of this movie than they did going in....look at all the succesfull trilogies Indiana, Back to the future, Star Wars 4-5-6 everyone of those had one thing in common a feeling of completion. That's what a trilogy is one opens it up, two follows the story and delves deeper into it, three lays everything on the table and puts it to rest. You can bet your sweet ass! Return of the king will complete the trilogy and leave you feeling "full", so to speak, when you leave theatres.
Revolutions left me empty and what was worse than that was all the questions I came out with.....OMG was that a huge letdown on it's own.
For the ppl who are on the subject of clapping after movies.....movies are supposed to bring feeling out of a person....some ppl cried when trin died, some ppl felt it severly when neo "died" (god what a joke to leave that as a question). Ppl here clap with anticipation before movies, they cry, laugh out loud would it seem out of place that they would applaud after a good movie?...think about that, course you would'nt have to think very long.
The ppl are speaking and I knew it in my gut (with a rather sick feeling)when I walked out of that movie theatre that I was not the only one that was let down.
Here is my theory on the whole thing, after seeing the movie, there are definitely spoilers here so skip if if you havent seen the movie.
1.) The root of the whole story is that the sentient program called the oracle has compasion on the human race and no longer wishes the machine world to control the humans anymore and wishes an end to the war.
2.) Neo is the evolutionary leap to that of a machine/human hybrid.. he has all the qualities of being human, but his brain can work within the machine space of the matrix at an unbelieveable rate, as such, the implants within him let him subconciously tap into the matrix at will, he no longer needs to jack in, as he is in both worlds at the same time.
3.) Agent Smith is the opposite of Neo, when Neo infected and destroyed him, he imprinted his bad human qualities, along with the need to survive and dominate on Agent Smith.. thereby causing an evolutionary irrational jump in Agent Smiths programming.
4.) Because Smith is the opposite of Neo, the two are technically equal and not capable of killing one another.
5.) The architect and the Oracle were the two designers, or first inhabitants of the Matrix, per se. Knowning that humans go through mutations, the Architect and Oracle were put in place to try and identify a mutation that would be a threat to them and nip it in the bud, by rebuilding the matrix and breeding out the mutation which bought them time.
6.) The Merovingian and his gang are programs that malfunctioned and no longer care about the world, they only care about their own existance and the continuation of the matrix, as such, they work against the Oracle and Architect to make sure that the Matrix continues, but unknowingly, they are a test that the 'One' must go through to weed out inferior hybrids that may not be up to the task...
7.) In the end, the Merovingian hedges his bets and allows the little girl (a programatic child based on love and not control) to enter the matrix to be the rebuilding force should the matrix go into shutdown and need to be rebuilt. The little girl would reshape the matrix based on human qualities instead of control.. but to do this the Oracle knows that the systems of control must be removed.. and they only exist (the agents) to ferret out the humans from the real world in a continuation of their war.. the Oracle knows that in order for her plan to suceed there must be peace so she starts pointing Neo in the direction that she wants.
8.) being that she knows that Neo cannot kill agent smith on his own, she sacrifices herself and inserts herself into the equation by allowing Agent Smith to assimilate her.
9.) During the battle between the two at the end, Agent Smith expends so much effort in combating Neo that the Oracle inside him has a chance to reistablish control.. but that is not enough..
10.) Agent smith realizes that he cannot control the oracle within him for to much longer so he transfers his original self from the Oracle to Neo, and as such he can be killed in the real world by the head machine.. which is done.. By sacrificing himself, Neo assures the continuation of the Matrix and the destruction of Agent Smith.. and the result is peace.
I think thats the whole Jist of it, without throwing in all the other things that just cloud the issue.
the past two movies seemed just so blocky and thrown together, like they had an idea of what they wanted to do, but in writing the script, they kept getting details they never wanted to take the time to work out. Characters had no depth to them( I think Seraph might have been the only one who had an inkling of depth to him) and scenes were thrown together, usually to try to explain some kind of deep philosophical point the brothers were trying to show, mixed in with even more random fight scenes to appeal to the action audience( the smith fight scene in the 2nd might have been really neat, but it was as pointless as most, along with the seraph/neo fight scene).
I can't really tell what angle the brothers were going for, and I just get the feeling they didn't either.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
For me it took trinity a little 'toooo' long to die. However I do appreciate sentimentality and didnt let it bother me.
A little to long...for the way she was impaled it should have been instant...but anyways...it's a movie right?. How bout this im sitting there finally feeling some emotion in me again after the battle in zion (which was the only other time i felt anything) and it all leads up to this...."kiss me".......O_O!.......O_o!?...o_O?!.....bwuahahahahaha!!!. It took every ounce of restraint I had in my body to keep myself from laughing. Every single chance they get, they kiss. My guess is that these are the rabbits that slogan was talking about. All of their on screen kisses in this movie had nothing behind it to tell you the truth the kiss between zee and link had more behind it (at least that's how I felt).
One disagreement
Omega, I agreed with what you said, your conclusions about the movie and all, except for one thing. I still believe the Architect when he said that the mother of the matrix was not the Oracle. For a while, my friends and I pondered who else it could be. Persephone seemed to be a likely choice, since she went on and on about free will and choice. But by the end of Revolutions, it was obvious who the Mother of the Matrix was: the little girl. I don't understand everything about her, but this much is clear:
-She made the sunrise for the fallen Neo, creative power in the Matrix
-Agent Smith copied himself onto her, and so he absorbed the creative power, allowing himself to remake the Matrix the way he wanted.
After watching the movie, I need awhile to let it sink in. I am now ready to express my opinion and what I got out of the movie. There are so many aspects to mention. First I was having trouble with the Neo and real world super powers, until I realized what it was...
The machines use a form of cold fusion to turn body heat into energy the machines can use. The bi-product of this is causing the anomaly. A human who can control this energy. (fate seems to have a sense of irony). We got this whole the machines need us and we need them. This really shows what i have always believed, the mathimatical and philisophical go hand in hand. It is both karma and the balancing of the equation. That which gives the mahcines the ability to control mankind, at the same time gives humans the ability to control machines. It is hard to explain all this in words, but it was brilliant. I enjoyed that aspect the most.
Now the little girl. She has a purpose, just as the key maker had a purpose. Not everyone in the matrix realizes their purpose. But the girl's purpose was to show Neo that machines could love. Which is what made him realize that the machines and humans could co-exist.
Yes the matrix is still active. The machines need it live comfortably, but then again some humans will not want to leave, let alone even know the truth. Thus the machines will be able to survive and the humans who want out, can get out.
Fight scenes were good, I want to go back and see it again. Great story.
I would like to finish this off with a questions. Who imagines the world before AI being created, as the world in Johnny Mneumonic?
Ok superman your entitled to your opinion but if im not mistaken.....if you saw the same movie I saw....here's the answer to your question:
Oracle: you're a bastard
Smith: you would know mother
I think that answers a question that should have not been a brain teaser to begin with. You want some more
Architect: if i am the father of the matrix, SHE would undoubtedly be it's mother.
fast foward
Oracle:
his job is to balance the equation
Neo:
What's your's
Oracle:
To unbalance it
Please lay this question to rest, it should have never been a big question to begin with.