Should all drugs be legalized?!

Originally posted by WindDancer

I haven't avoided the question, but I'll answer it to my best of knowledge. There are addicts for two reason.

1. the product (e.g. any drug) will continue to be produce as long as the desire to get high exist.

2.Legalization would decrease drug distribution crime because most of those activities would become lawful. But would legalization necessarily reduce other drug-related crime like robbery, rape, and assault? Presumably legalization would reduce the cost of drugs and thus addicts might commit fewer crimes to pay for their habits. But less expensive drugs might also feed their habit better, and more drugs means more side effects like paranoia, irritability and violence. Suggestions that crime can somehow be eliminated by redefining it are spurious. Free drugs or legalizing bad drugs would not make criminal addicts into "productive citizens".

exactly👆

there either gonna legalize drugs or not, so theres no need to argue
btw I thought you said goodbye to this thread Im_fuzzy

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wow! Some of the comments I read are indeed laughable.

samhain> Do you know people who MAKE their own cigarrets and sell them? I highly doubt that!

Illegalising canabis had NOTHING to do with it being a drug.

Firstly, I didn't say that. I know people who FLY over to foreign countries to pick up 200 cigarrettes for £7 on a regular basis, then they bring them back to sell at an increased price.

Secondly, I agree. Cannabis was made illegal by the cotton industry (among others) pressurising the government because of the versatility of Hemp.

I do agree with many of the points you have made, cannabis should be legal but some drugs should not. My overall point was that anyone who wants drugs can get them, so there is really no need to legalize them.

Originally posted by homer_clone
there either gonna legalize drugs or not, so theres no need to argue
btw I thought you said goodbye to this thread Im_fuzzy

eh ..... i cant stay away

Windancer> There is no reason to believe organised criminals would go legal. After Prohibition was lifted, organised crime did suffer, as these people cannot work within the law.
Since drugs would - in this scenario - be legal, doctors, pharmacies and hospitals would purchase them through legal channels. Addicts would get their drugs on prescription. What runs black markets is the prices the criminals can charge for their illegal substances, since it's difficult to smugge them into any country. Legalizing drugs would circumvent this "middle-man" system.
As I stated above, drugs would be substances under regulation and control, and not something you'd see advertised for. We KNOW these drugs are dangerous, we also know that people DO take them. Legalising them so addicts could get them on prescription, cheaper than today, and without coming in touch with criminals is a better course imo.
Since they would - through legalization - be cheaper, addicts would not have to commit crme to pay the high prices that pushers charge.

You didn't really answer Lil Bitchiness' and my question. IF drugs should remain illegal, and if todays way of handling them are the best way, why are there still addicts? How do you propose to actually get rid of drugs? Why is there still a black market and drug-related crime? How do you propose to get rid of those problems?

Yes, there is no way to come between and addict and the substance. So the idea that by making drugs illegal, you somehow get rid of addicts, is absurd. Will someone please tell me, what good it does to keep drugs illegal?

the omega>we are not saying that keeping them ilegal will get rid of the addicts we are saying that if we legalize drugs EVENTUALY there would probably be a leak in the system (or that is what I am saying now) what i am saying is that there might be a new black market and they might break into the places that make the drugs and give them out for CHEAPER and in higher quantities. Even though i may not say it but i know what you are getting at and what you are saying are good points but you are still forgeting the fact that PEOPLE WILL EVENTUALY GET MORE DRUGS either way if we keep them illegal they hide themselves and dont show their faces unless they are stealing or buying drugs OR if we legalize them they will be in the open and probably scare many children and soccer moms, ext ext and probably if they do legalize them eventualy they will leak and things might be even worse than they are now (so im not saying that you are totaly wrong i am saying that some of the things that you are saying are not true NOTICE:i said SOME of the things and plz at least notice that some of our points our good like i just said some of yours were)

Also, dealers could try to create new synthetic substances to corner the market.

I'm all for a better system, but I'm not sure if legalising all drugs is the answer.

"Tobacco is the only legally available consumer product which kills people when used entirely as intended."

Im_Fuzzy> Well, then. If you admit that current way of handling the drug-problem is not working, why do you refuse to try another venue?
What kind of “leak in the system” are you talking about? What kind of “new” black market are you thinking of? The idea that “they” break into a place that make the drugs and give them out cheaper and in higher quantities is absurd! “They” would first of all have to break in, and then sell the drugs making next to no profit, as the difference in price between legal prescription hard drugs and “black market” ones would be negligible. Think about it: If you’re an addict, and you can either pay for 100 % clean drugs the legal way, through legal channels – OR go to crime-ridden areas and pay for spiced illegal drugs which would you choose?
What do you mean: People will eventually get more drugs? Things like opiates and plutonium are regulated. Yes, these things also DO “leak”, doctors and engineers can be corrupt. BUT… Don’t you think that the vast majority of addicts would prefer clean safe legal drugs?
Tell me one thing: How can “things” (the drug situation) become worse than it is now?

Samhain> Dealers create new substances now. Some are more dangerous than ever. This is happening NOW. The system is not working NOW. So why not try another venue?

Originally posted by The Omega
Im_Fuzzy

Very mature burlyman! Dont do that!

ummm... Im afraid the new drugs will take the road of tobbacco, young people taking them, more addicts, more homeless people. while I admit these things are happening right now, there also gonna happen if we legalize drugs. The drugs are either gonna be like tobbaco or beer, both are bad and millions of people use them each, so now I have "proof" that the new drugs will attract new customers, cause it will be like alcohol or tabbaco.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Very mature burlyman! Dont do that!

Homer_Clone> Once again your reasoning lacks any logic.

Burlyman> (Rolls eyes)

I've just spent 10 minutes writing a full reply to these posts and it wouldn't go through. So, all I have to say is if you want ALL drugs to be legal then go ahead and see what kind of world it turns into.

I'm no square by the way, I probably do as much drugs as the next man(provided that the next man is Dennis Hopper) I wouldn't do less drugs if it were legal, the same can be said for most drug users. But the numbers of new users, attracted by a drugs new 'legal' status, might be tempted.

BTW, I'm all for marijuana becoming legal, and even a better system for LSD, magic mushrooms, etc, but you cannot believe that making all drugs legal is any kind of answer to our problems.

Originally posted by The Omega
Homer_Clone> Once again your reasoning lacks any logic.

This thread needs to die,(takes out pencil and pokes thread) give it up people. Each to his own.

yes lets close this thread
MUST KILL THREAD MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by The Omega
Homer_Clone> Once again your reasoning lacks any logic.

and yours doesn't?

El_Barto> Show logical flaws in my reasning... IF you can.

Samhain> But you are ASSUMING more people will get hooked if drugs were legalised. That is merely an assumption.
What is, in your opinion, the solution to the drug-problem?